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My sole female off-spring (LC Serena) sent me one of her recent position papers from medical school. It’s rather sobering for any parent, let alone those with young daughters still at home. I thought it was worth a read and posted it here for our loyal LCs, as there is quite a bit of factual knowledge on the issue. It is quite sobering as you work through it, especially of interest for those of us with young daughters at home.

From Toddler to Teenager- The Loss of Youth

“… sexual maturation is not governed by a biological clock.

It’s really not an adequate metaphor for our reproductive lives.

We have kind of hijacked that system and bombarded

it with signals that speed the whole process up.”

- Steingraber qtd. in Cohen

Our society is in constant flux when it comes to medical discoveries and intervention. Not everyone thinks about precocious sexualization, never mind that it is becoming a huge issue amongst our female youth. Not everyone has a daughter that they need to be concerned over in regards to her reproductive health, but everyone knows a little girl. They could be a family member or someone unrelated, but they all deserve the same thing- a safe, unrushed route to adulthood. If we continue down the same route that we are currently running biologically, our females will be going from toddlerhood straight into teenager with the complete absence of youth. In order to protect our young girls from becoming women before their time, we need to become aware of their environment, both physically and contextually.

When it comes down to who or what is to blame for this downward spike in the initiation of young girls’ sexuality, there is quite a bit of finger pointing. Some researchers say that it is just evolution or a naturally occurring biological incident. Evidence from research indicates that there could be several reasons for the onset of precocious puberty and precocious sexualization: the newly accepted single-mother familial unit, hormones and pesticides in our food and environment, and the media with their constant sensationalism of sex. Despite this research, there are still those that oppose these theories. They state that the media doesn’t have enough influence over children to make a difference on a neuro-hormonal level, that environmental hormones and pesticides are at too miniscule a level to make an impression, and that female children in Africa, who almost always grow up in father-absent family structures, are not showing any signs of precocious puberty or sexualization (Cohen 2). However, longitudinal studies done here in the United States clearly show a different side of the story- quite an eye-opening story, indeed.

As mentioned previously, precocious puberty almost always leads down the path to precocious sexuality. Unfortunately, another societal change is influencing the initiation of early pubertal maturation and that would be the newly-excepted family dynamic of single parenting, with emphasis on father absenteeism. Based on studies with animal species, the conclusion has been drawn that humans change their reproductive behavior to maximize success (Steinberg as qtd. in Healy 11). It was also shown that pubertal maturation is based on the distance, whether it is physically or emotionally, in the parent-child bond. The Belsky theory of Paternal Investment postulates that, “… early experiences associated with low quality paternal investment will result in the acceleration of sexual maturation and an onset of sexual activity orienting towards unstable pair-bonds.” (as qtd. in Healy 14). Recent studies have even linked an androgen receptor gene (AR) to those men more likely to abandon a marriage and since this gene occurs on the X-chromosome, it could be passed on to their daughters which gives them a predisposition to earlier menarcheal onset and behavioral problems such as impulsiveness, aggression and increase in sexual partners (Comings et. al as qtd. in Healy 15-16). In addition to a father’s absence, there tends to be the introduction of a stepfather figure which is indicative, on a subconscious level, of low quality paternal investment. Moreover, are the added, non-relative pheromones to a girl’s home environment. In a study done by Minkin and Wright (2003), “pheromones influence the gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH), which is the precursor hormone involved in stimulating and the cycling of menstruation.” (as qtd. in Healy 15). As a result, the societal shift toward single-parent homes with the mother being the head of household and the eventual presence of an unrelated male, could be another possible theory as to why our girls are losing their youth.

Currently, there are environmentalists attempting to educate the public on the effects of exposure to artificial hormones and synthetic chemical compounds. While not directly linked to precocious sexualization, these endocrine disruptors are certainly an antecedent and directly implicated in early onset puberty. Co-author of the book “Our Stolen Future”, John Peterson Myers, agrees stating, “Contaminants in the womb can speed or retard sexual development… these compounds interfere with the hormones that control the pace and pattern of development.” (1997). Some of the pathways that these hormones or chemicals enter the body are quite astounding. One study on plant-based chemicals that mimic oestrogen noted that, “… daily exposure in infants who consume soy formulas was six to eleven times higher than adults who consumed soy foods. In fact, the blood concentrate of these hormones in children were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than oestrogen levels normally found in the blood!” (Sellman 4). Shockingly, some of these chemicals are found in very common items, such as plastics and cosmetics. In Puerto Rico there was an emerging issue of extremely early thelarche, or breast development. Researchers discovered that a chemical plasticizer, phthalate, was found in high quantities in their subjects’ blood. The average age of the participants– slightly over two and a half. Thus, it has been proven that these hormones and chemicals are leading our girls to early puberty which in other studies has “been linked with earlier ages at first sexual intercourse”, as well as higher rates of adolescent pregnancies (Healy 17-18).

In April of 2007, the American Psychiatric Association reported their findings on a longitudinal study of the sexualization of girls and submitted a written report for the general public to view. Several sources were cited in the report as cultural contributions but, the most prevalent source, implicated by more people than just the APA, is the media circus. When adding up all of the media outlets (i.e. TV, the internet, music, etc.), the average youth views over six and a half hours daily (”Report” 5). A study performed by the Center for Media and Public Affairs reported, “music videos contain about ninety-three sexual situations per hour, or one and a half per minute.” (Linn 136). Let’s hope that none of these “average youths” are using all of their six and half daily hours watching MTV. Furthermore, the advertising world is under the microscope for the promotion of sex and objectification, specifically towards young girls and teens. Linn stated, “… retailer Abercrombie and Fitch was marketing thong underpants to ten-year-olds… with sexually provocative phrases such as ‘Wink Wink’ and ‘Eye Candy’.” (Linn 132). Somehow, I don’t think Abercrombie was concerned about these little girls’ panty lines showing through their hip riding, navel-baring pants.

Although there is a plethora of examples of media and marketing companies using blatantly sexual material to up the ante with their products, there are those that conclude that despite the barrage, there is no effect on these children’s psyche. On the contrary, psychology experts have demonstrated through several theories how sexualization can negatively affect a girl, or even a woman. One of the most intriguing is the Objectification Theory presented by Frederickson and Roberts in 1997. Its central idea is, “… the pervasiveness of sexual objectification in our society influences girls and women to internalize the views present in society and to begin viewing themselves in the same way.” (Slater and Tiggemann 1). This habitual self-objectification leads to psychiatric disorders: body shame, disordered eating, and unipolar depression. In addition to these findings, there was yet another downward spiraling trend found linked with the Objectification Theory– changes in self-esteem. Studies conducted by Hartner et al. demonstrated that just as girls were entering an age where they are constructing their identities, they suffer from loss of self-esteem due to self-objectification (as qtd. in Zurbriggen 21). In conclusion, the psychology community has proven time and time again what a tremendous impact the media can have on these precious girls.

Altogether, the studies done to try and draw a conclusion as to why we are losing our female youth are quite astonishing. Silent invaders such as the ever-so-helpful internet, hormone-laden beef, and single parenthood are leading to precocious sexualization and the onslaught of extremely vile consequences. Parents are often told to pick their battles and despite trying their hardest to protect their child, they are often undermined by the media and the constant disregard to a child’s psychological needs by those in the advertising business. This is not just a battle for parents, though, everyone needs to pay attention to our up and coming generations and speak out against such atrocities that are thrown out by a multitude of industries. Everyone should try and support those companies that don’t use artificial hormones to promote growth in cattle headed to the slaughter, not just for the children but, for themselves as well. In essence, everyone needs to be aware of their physical and emotional environment to promote the health of themselves and others.

Serena would appreciate any additional takes our loyal LCs could contribute to this. Thanks Pups.

63 Responses to “Somewhat Chilling Information For Parents”
  1. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Don’t think it’s so much a loss of youth as reduction in the range of life experience to a brief infancy and a very, very long adolescence. This data on early onset of puberty and the external influences that seem to engender it is troubling, not only because of the results and long-term consequences reported, but because everything in our pop society seems hell-bent on exacerbating the problem. You mention the effects of what I’d generalize as estrogenics in the environment (including foods). I have growing boys and have thought that certain aspects of their development were being affected by this phenomenon. Some firearms training and plenty of good red meat may not help on the hormonal/chemical side, but we do have some fun.

    What does it mean, though, when girls/women mature much earlier than boys/men and women are given greater moral, political, and economic authority by feminist activism and gender discrimination laws. I’d say you’ll see lots more instability in male/female relationships as the male’s position of responsibility and authority erodes and there appears to be less and less reason to end the extended adolescence for men. Why grow up or settle down, if there’s always someone around the corner willing to “mother” you in exchange for little more than your earning capacity and sexual services. With sexual prowess as the defining value of male life, multiple partners, aesthetic selection (invariably involving exploitation of younger partners), and rape become more important tools of fulfillment than education, career, and acceptance of rewarding moral responsibilities, like fidelity and parenting. Lust and fear replace love and respect. Our housing projects are full of case studies, but no one will or can look seriously at those microcosms, because they’d be labeled racist and/or exposed to violent crime in doing the study.

  2. Unregistered Comment by Gabby

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    Good research and good article. Thanks for posting it.

    Much to consider in this time of constant hyper-bombardment of our little girls with sexed-up messages.

    There absolutely is something to the effect of soy based formula.

    We adopted a female child from China, who became our daughter when she was 9 months old. With a lactose intolerance, she was on soy based formula exclusively. Onset of menses at 10 years, 3 months. At 11+ years, her physical development is way ahead of what would I would consider a normal curve. Part of that may be the set of genes that she inherited from her birth parents, but I think the link to the gallons of soy formula that she consumed is pretty compelling.

  3. LibraryGryffon Comment by LibraryGryffon

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    I have two daughters, 9 1/2 and almost 12. Physically they both seem more mature than I remember being at those ages. I’ve had more than one talk with their pediatrician about it, and they aren’t abnormal.

    Perhaps fortunately, I can’t even get the older one to read the book from the pediatrician which explains how her body is changing. The bits with the basic biology of reproduction are “disgusting”. I’m not complaining in the least.

    However, I don’t let them watch any of the Disney live action kids shows. I don’t think any of the “kids” on these behave appropriately, in any fashion. When my girls have watched any of those shows with any regularity, I can tell by just by the decline in their behaviour.

  4. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    What about boys?

  5. franksalterego Comment by franksalterego

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    Alternative explaination: Too smart, by half.

    But then, I’m just a simple man…Whudda’ I know?

  6. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    BTW, Misha, did my email get through to you?

    Which one, my friend?

    Misha,

    It would’ve had the “Website feedback” subject, coming from sctparker@(redacted). It was about the Iraqi orphanage thing.

    Also RSS issues, but that seems to have been fixed.

    Sorry to post across two threads, but I didn’t want my response to you to get lost in the dead thread.

  7. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    There was supposed to be a nested blockquote in there, didn’t work.

  8. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    It would’ve had the “Website feedback” subject, coming from sctparker@(redacted). It was about the Iraqi orphanage thing.

    Also RSS issues, but that seems to have been fixed.

    I’m sorry, I must have missed it. My most profound apologies. Truthfully, I hate it when that happens because feedback really is important to me. It’s the best part of blogging, if you ask me. Without feedback, I might as well be talking to myself.

    Now, on the subject of this post: Splendidly written, LC Serena, no rock left unturned, and I agree wholeheartedly with your conclusions. I’m not so sure what can be done about hormones in our food since our food production relies heavily on it, but I do agree that something needs to be done culturally, even though that may turn out to be a great deal more difficult than getting chemicals out of our beef.

    Just to name one example, I’m furious every time I hear about or meet another anorexic girl, furious at the Auschwitz Chic being promoted by the fashion industry and our utterly immoral media. And the “sluttification” of pre-teens… Don’t even get me started. In my opinion, the people responsible for that are no better than child molesters and should be treated in the same fashion.

  9. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    I’m sorry, I must have missed it. My most profound apologies.

    I can resend. I really think it’s fodder for one of your patented takedowns.

    On topic, I’ve subbed in 7th grade classes where some of the students look like the should already be in high school, while some don’t look old enough to be there. It’s so weird.

  10. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    Resent. BTW, is the correct address Mish@nicedoggie or Misha@nicedoggie? The email link says the former, while logic says the latter.

  11. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    I misread and thought Jackboot wrote it. Very nice work by Doc Serena.

  12. Unregistered Comment by physicsgeek

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    One of the guys next to me has two beautiful daughters. The youngest is 9 years old and he recently told me that she has a set of dolls that she loves. The dolls in question are the Whorz Bratz. Apparently they’ve become so commonplace that their absence is considered abnormal.

    I want my children to have a childhood. This constant barragement of overly sexualized information at ridiculously early ages is a large part of the problem. What’s worse, IMHO, is that parents not only allow such bombardment, they’ve come to accept it as normal.

  13. Unregistered Comment by Veeshir

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    I’ve thought about this and, while I haven’t done nearly as much research, I’ve been wondering if it’s not just the pendulum swinging back to where it was.
    Bear with me.
    Within the last two hundred years, and for most of our history, girls were married before they were 16, often younger than 14. Unmarried “women” older than 16 were considered “old maids”. Quite often in our history a girl was “marriage-age” after her first period. That’s what? 11-13 or so? (I’ve never had a daughter and would never ask my nieces anything about stuff like that so I’m really asking)

    So we lengthened sexual childhood and now it’s going back to where it was for most of mankind’s history.

    The major difference being that, in 2007, most 16 year old girls are still mostly children while in 1807, a 16 year old girl was a wife and mother.

  14. LibraryGryffon Comment by LibraryGryffon

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    Ah, Bratz.

    Yecghhh.

    My daughters both wanted them, I think because many of their friends have them. I refused to get any, but of course they got one or two as birthday gifts. They get played with some, but the stuffies from Build-A-Bear don’t have to worry about the competition. The Bratz tend to disappear under the bed for two months, and only reappear during major room cleanings. They aren’t really missed.

  15. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    Yeah, what about boys?

  16. chuck Comment by chuck

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    What about boys?

    One study on plant-based chemicals that mimic oestrogen noted that, “… daily exposure in infants who consume soy formulas was six to eleven times higher than adults who consumed soy foods. In fact, the blood concentrate of these hormones in children were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than oestrogen levels normally found in the blood!”

    I have read studies that link the estrogen mimicking characteristics of soy formulas linked to the feminization of and gender identity issues in males. I will see if I can find the references.

  17. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    I think it is a societal thing too. 100 years ago most girls started menstruating at about 16, this is where all the ’sweet 16′ parties and songs come from. In the geneological research I have done I have found most women married at 18-20 to men about the same age. Most of the myth that people married at about 13-14 comes from the fact that royal marriages did in fact take place at those young ages so that the bride could get used to her husband’s family (and often learn a new language and customs) I would never give my daughter a bratz doll, they are ugly and teach girls to dress like hookers. Society also gears more adult things to younger and younger girls. When I was 10 we were still playing with Barbies but you see 10 year olds acting like 14 year olds wearing makeup, having boyfriends and dressing like adults. I wonder if it is the parents who think it is cute when the girls are 10 but horrified when their 16 year old comes up pregnant. As to the girls who were wives and mothers at 16 120 years ago and children now this is also a societal thing. Culturally, the group known as “teenagers” was only a seperate demographic beginning in the 1940’s. Before that there was only children and “young adults” with not many going beyong 8th grade in education.

  18. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    The people responsible for the way young girls are turning out are their parents. Pure and simple. The little girls dressed as “prostitots” aren’t buying the outfits themselves; usually, their immature moms are. Jon-Benet Ramsey didn’t have the wherewithal to dress herself the way she did.

    Too many parents these days want to be friends with their kids; they are abdicating the PARENTAL role. Keeds need parents to be parents.

    Regarding soy and young girls maturing earlier. There is a strong case to be made for that. Some women take soy during menopause to replace the estrogen…hello…THAT should tell people something.

    Too many parents rely on what others say as to what’s best for their kids. With the advent of the internet, there’s no excuse for kids to be eating what they are eating, dressing the way they’re dressing, and acting the way they’re acting.

    Parents should be in charge, not the brats.

    /steps down from soapbox

  19. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Too many times it is parents who do not spend enough time with kids that cause them to sexualize early. I had a really good friend whose parents divorced when she was about 6 and her parents had quite a series of “boyfriends and girlsfriends” with her mother having a couple of live in boyfriends. She basically raised herself since her parents worked long hours just to support themselves. Before we moved away, she was already wearing makeup all the time, having boyfriends and dates and dressing like an adult. She is doing OK now but had a long road to hoe with a child out of wedlock.

  20. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Spartan,

    Again, it all points back to the parents. Did the youngster have her dad in her life at all? Why were the mother’s boyfriends more important than her child?

    My mother was a divorced mom until I was in fourth grade. NOTHING came between her and her kids, and she was a parent, not a friend.

  21. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    As I read this, something grabbed me:

    It was also shown that pubertal maturation is based on the distance, whether it is physically or emotionally, in the parent-child bond. The Belsky theory of Paternal Investment postulates that, “… early experiences associated with low quality paternal investment will result in the acceleration of sexual maturation and an onset of sexual activity orienting towards unstable pair-bonds.”

    So, in a two parent, loving family, where the young girls get lots of hugs and attention, they are less likely to grow up too fast. Seems I have always known that, and that MTV is a poor teacher of values. Glad to hear that finally someone else noticed . . .

    JACKBOOT, you have a fine young lady there. I hope my two do as well as Serena.

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    I have read studies that link the estrogen mimicking characteristics of soy formulas linked to the feminization of and gender identity issues in males. I will see if I can find the references.

    John Edwards was a Lactose-Intolerant Bottle Baby? Whodathunkit?

  22. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    My friend was the typical every other weekend at dad’s kid that has become so common. Her dad was a great guy when he was sober but a very mean drunk when he was drinking which was often. She often spent the night with me on the weekends she was with her dad. Her mom made her career very important to her and not so much her daughter. Most of the time when she was supposed to be with her dad she was either cleaning his house or with us. My parents never allowed me to spend the night either with her mom or dad because of their lifestyles. I did not agree with them at the time but I feel that they did the right thing. A young girl with a single mom and unrelated males running around is a recipe for problems.

  23. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Sorry for the double post but several people have asked about young men. My husband was raised by a single mom and did not have a great relationship with his dad after the age of 7. He has some feminine mannerisms from being raised by a single mom but is definately not gay. I was asked by several people in the church we used to attend about J and one actually said they just thought he was gay. My mother in law is a very liberal hippy type who thinks that boys don’t need a dad in their lives. She is also into health food and fed him brown rice and tofu for many years. J feels that he did not get as big as some of the kids who were fed normally and did not reach puberty as early. He did not have to shave until he was about 20.

  24. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Chuck,

    Is this the article you’re referring to?

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

    Scary isn’t it?

    Steve

  25. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    I think a comment just got lost in the blackhole that is Al ‘I invented the Internet’ Bore’s creation.

    Chuck,

    Is this the article you were referring to?

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

    Steve

  26. TheCount Comment by TheCount

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    I also blame indoctrination of children in publik scrools. Look what happened in Boulder Colorado It is a disgrace. And you wonder why girls AND BOYS are screwed up today.

  27. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    Emperor must be busy today. He usually has more to say in any given thread.

  28. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    BTW, is the correct address Mish@nicedoggie or Misha@nicedoggie?

    Both work (long story).

    And yes, I’m terribly busy. Sorry about that, but I promise to come back up for air as soon as deadlines allow.

  29. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    He usually has more to say in any given thread.

    Well I think maybe he might have a job or family to tend to.

  30. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    TheCount sez:

    Look what happened in Boulder Colorado It is a disgrace. And you wonder why girls AND BOYS are screwed up today.

    Heyyyyy, that’s my hometown man….actually about 11 miles east is my hometown.

    Boulder has been a mess since the early 60’s. It was a big part of the beatnik scene and an even bigger part of the hippie scene. I went to college at CU in the early 70’s and you could actually get credit in some classes for attending demonstrations or causing civil disobedience. I had a roommate who was Army ROTC and when they would drill on the athletic fields in the winter, “students” would gather and pelt them with snowballs while they stood at attention. My friends and I once got around behind some of these assholes and tackled them to the ground…making a point of planting their faces as hard as we could in the snow, we drew blood that day and got a hefty round of cheers from the ROTC guys.

    Boulder is a magnet for every degenerate and outcast that you can imagine. The building boom of the late 70’s and early 80’s was fueled almost entirely by the nouveau rich cocaine freaks who ran the town. That town was built on cocaine money and you could buy it anywhere from McDonalds drive-ups to the drug pushers standing unmolested on the corners of the Hill District. It was everywhere and still is….I swear, everytime I go back to visit family and go up to the hill to check out the music stores, I see what looks like the same damned seedy drug dealers who I bought from when I went to school there. It’s creepy.

    The town that I grew up in, Broomfield, has expanded to the point that it was big enough to secede from Boulder County and form it’s own county a few years ago…taking a lot of the high tech and manufacturing businesses with it. That and the fact that a lot of parents moved themselves and their kids out of Boulder into Broomfield has hurt the prestige and pocketbook of Boulder immensely, their student numbers are down and their tax revenue is down also.

    another successful example of socialism in action.

  31. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    guys,

    Good essay to highlight an important problem. I think the parents and the media have a lot to blame, and it is a disturbing trend. Like someone said about Jon Benet, she didn’t dress up herself. What kind of psychos tart up their little girls for beauty pageants?

    As pointed out, the info on soy is really solid–I’m pretty sure it’s the isoflavones that are the estrogen mimics. Phtalates are everywhere (plasticizer). If you do research using ethanol, you have to avoid the ones stored in plastic bottles, because they will pick up phtalates. There are definitely measurable concentrations in our bodies, but we all have measurable amounts of industrial chemicals and pesticides in our bodies. God knows what they do to development in the womb.

    I thought the biology tie-ins were a SERIOUS stretch. I would love to see those citations (if that’s possible). To tie the androgen receptor gene to specific behaviors in girls is untenable at this point. The effects of hormones are very complex, and we simply don’t know enough to speculate on general behavior.

  32. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Selena has many fine attributes, her taste in music is superb!

    NICELY DONE LADY!

    (psst, now’s the time to drop birthday hints!)

  33. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    That’s Serena,
    (headslap)

  34. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    MEN

    This is the opposite topic, but I think would be of interest. I was thinking about the topic of chemicals in our bodies, and sometimes I have a delayed reaction. One big concern about these hormone mimics is the feminization of men. I don’t remember all of the dreadful effects, but one of the concerns is that sperm counts have been dropping over time.

    Who is Serena?

  35. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    My suggestion to LCs: watch television after the news goes off. Actually watch it, and think about how a 5 year old girl would perceive all the crap about Paris, Nicole, Brittney, and the outfits worn by the starlets that are actually having their tawdry, mundane misadventures narrated by an annoying voice on a box in your home.

    Just remember, you control what your daughter does and watches. Don’t be afraid to be arbitrary. Making her return clothes with “Tasty” written across the ass or turning off the television and telling her to do anything else she likes (or at least limiting the channels) may seem cruel or capricious. But you’re not trying to win her approval. You’re not justifying yourself before a tribunal (at least not unless Hillary is elected). You’re raising a child to be a better person.

    As for the “evolution” explanation, that just diminishes my respect for academics in those fields. It doesn’t even pass the laugh test. Considering that we’re talking about a change over the course of but a few decades, and human generations tend to be about 20 years apart, the idea that the problem is genetic is just stupid.

  36. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Cheapshot

    (headslap)

    I second that motion!

  37. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    psychochick

    Who is Serena?

    LC Serena is Jackboot’s daughter.

  38. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    That’s her post up there.
    Jackboot is enjoying his beaming rights.

  39. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Thanks guys,

    I went back to the essay, caught it at the top, and felt rather stupid. Also caught the med school thing–that rules! He must be so proud. Plus it would be pretty damn useful to have a medical doctor in the family.

  40. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Wow. After reading this I see that bangie and I have been doing a lot of things right with our two daughters, but not because we knew of any of this.

    It’s damned scary raising a kid in this culture.

    I refused to allow my girls to have “Bratz” also. They’re just Barbies with STD’s. But my bro-in-law gave them both a Slutz doll for Christmas. They prefer their Barbies (Thank God).

    JB, You got a lot to be proud of with your offspring there buddy. Give her bangie thang and I’s best.

  41. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    The thing that worries me is the possibility that non-related adult males living in proximity to young girls may speed up their maturation. How many homes do you know where this is exactly the set up? I am sorry to say that we know more “blended” families than traditional ones. Here’s just one more downside to that arrangement.

    Studies have shown that when groups of women live together (eg, in dormitories), their cycles sync up. So the idea that the presence of unrelated males could effect hormones also seems plausible.

    What happens in homes where there are two mommies or daddies? Just curious.

  42. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    kwongdzu
    That’s definitely true about groups of women and conceivable that men make hormones that could affect women (actually it seems likely to me). Now that I remember, there is supposed to be something in male sweat that is an attractant.

    What I don’t understand in your argument is why it would matter whether the males are related too the females or not. I doubt they would be giving off different hormones. What’s your rationale?

  43. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    Not really sure if I care about the Males psychochick.
    Serena is a part of my family too, considering I am JB’s other personality

  44. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    What happens in homes where there are two mommies or daddies? Just curious.

    We’re going to have to wait a couple of generations to find that out.

  45. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    We’re going to have to wait a couple of generations to find that out.

    LOL

  46. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    Studies have shown that when groups of women live together (eg, in dormitories), their cycles sync up.

    At places of work as well, just think 15 ladies to 4 guys getting their rag all at the same time.

    V I S U A L I Z E

  47. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC CountryRED
    Hello. Boy, you keep me on my toes. I didn’t know there were multiples of you!

    Congrats on her accomplishments!

    Sorry about the male thing–it tied into the effects of the synthetic compounds–thought people might be interested

  48. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    At places of work as well, just think 15 ladies to 4 guys getting their rag all at the same time.

    V I S U A L I Z E

    That’s why I work in a male dominated industry RED.

    I’m scared enough of living in a house with three women. At least I still have a few years before that syncing up thing happens. Plenty of time to reinforce the doors on my fortress of testosterone, IE my den.

  49. Unregistered Comment by Rainy

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    Hey jaybear - I’m in Arvada, grew up in Westminster. We’re neighbors! My parents and two of my sisters live in Broomfield. I hear you about the People’s Republic of Boulder, home of Ward Churchill. Unfortunately, my sister-in-law and her husband raised their kids there and they are all lefty moonbats. We love them anyway. It makes for interesting fireworks when visiting with the whole family, her brother is a retired Col. and the complete opposite politically.

    Anyway, back to the subject. I agree with Spartan24, although there have always been girls that have married young, most girls were over 16. For example, Laura Ingalls Wilder mentioned in one of her books that a friend had married at 13. She herself didn’t marry until she was 18. During the 18th and 19th centuries, upper class/wealthy girls were presented to society and placed in the marriage market when they were 17/18.

    I think the the main cause of sexualizing children early is media and loose parenting. I don’t see a soy connection. After all, the Japanese live on the stuff and you don’t see reports of their girls in puberty early. Several studies report that early puberty corresponds with obesity though.

    The normal age range for the onset of puberty is 8 years-old and up. The mean age for a first period is 12.
    Early Puberty

    My daughter had her first period at 11, the same age as me and my mother. Obviously at least partly genetic. I hope she also inherited our 3-4 hour labors (or less).

    However, the media blitz is constant. And who can forget the lovely example of loose parenting than Lindsey Lohan and her party companion mother? Locally, we had the Party Mom, who gave drugs to and had sex with boys from her daughter’s high school. Her excuse was that she wasn’t popular in high school herself and wanted to experience that. All of those kids were in my son’s class. Needless to say, her daughter has some psychological issues to deal with (while her mom’s in prison).

    I’m fortunate that my 15 year-old daughter has rejected the Bratz culture. I don’t know if I found a magic formula, but I tried to screen inappropriate music (no Britney Spears here!) and movies (Disney yes, MTV no, and no South Park for my youngest son) and always discussed appropriate behavior and dress with her (and her brothers). When you see others doing the wrong thing is a great time to talk about it. She now focuses on her dance - pre-professional ballet, music - opera training, and books - she’s a bookworm. She’s tried the boyfriend thing (supervised), but has decided that boys are stupid and immature and she doesn’t have time for that stuff anyway. The boys are not happy. That’s the other key. Keep your kids busy with healthy pursuits and they dont’ have time for the bad stuff. It’s the unsupervised kids with nothing to do after school that get into trouble.

    Unfortunately, despite my best efforts, my kids have been exposed to more sleezy stuff than I’d like. I would have preferred to keep them in innocent childhood longer, but they pick stuff up from kids at school. I just battled back by talking to them. There’s nothing like having to explain oral sex to your middle school kids because a school bulletin came out warning about it - at school. And the 13 year-old pregnant with twins, that was a fun discussion too.

  50. Lycurgus Comment by Lycurgus

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    This was a very interesting article that provided a good amount of food for thought. I have long thought that there are numerous environmental factors, rather than one over-riding factor, influencing the mis-development of the generations from the 60’s on.

    It is interesting that this phenomenon seems to be occurring across the Anglophone world more than anywhere else – Britain has the highest teen promiscuity and pregnancy rate in Europe while Australia occupies that position in Australasia.

    This would seem to lend credence to the idea that it is a confluence of factors that are heightened in England and her cubs - including a very liberal media, industrialized farming methods (where use of hormones for increased yield is common), exposure to numerous gonadotropin/oestrogen mimicking plastics etc.

    As for the earlier question: ‘what about the boys?’ I have wondered before why ADHD and similar seem to be more prevalent in Anglophone countries…It can’t simply be that our psychologists are more lefty (than those in the EU?) in their outlook.

  51. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    psychochick - I’m not going to pretend to know as much about Biology as you, so please forgive any poorly expressed thoughts below, but I can think of two possible reasons unrelated males would affect a girl differently than related ones.

    One way would actually not be whether the male was related, but whether he was around during the girl’s early years: What if the maturation response is modified by psychological factors such as hormones released when dealing with a new male in the vicinity, as opposed to those released by familiarity to the one who has been around since early childhood? This could be related to other scent-based queues or just to intellectual recognition, though I would imagine it would be scent-based, because that would be more of an autonomic response. If that could be the case, then relationship would not matter, but long-term proximity before puberty, and in that case, even a father returning to the family after many years of absence would create the maturation response.

    The other possibility is that the scents given off by a person contain some level of genetic material (I don’t know what form this would take) that the recipient’s body can detect and the reaction to those of a related male would dampen the effect. This, then, would occur no matter if the related male had been in proximity or not, and would still occur if, say, a “long-lost brother” or a close cousin never met before showed up.

    It shouldn’t even be too hard to test either of these possibilities, because I would imagine that the hormone dampening would continue to occur even after puberty, though that may not be the case. Whaddya think?

  52. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    scents given off by a person contain some level of genetic material

    Psychochick: Wayne beat me to it. Isn’t it interesting how much “information” we give off just by touching something. There must be a fair amount of info in a small amount of smell, else how would bloodhounds be able to find people who have been missing for days?

    It makes me wonder if small, sensitive and economical enough machines could be made to track people as well - missing people, terrorists, etc. I mean, if you do shed genetic material into the environment, is it possible to pick it up and compare it to information in some database somewhere and zero in on someone? Especially if you had a network of machines that could pick up info and maybe give you an idea of the probability of finding someone in a given area.

  53. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Britain has the highest teen promiscuity and pregnancy rate in Europe while Australia occupies that position in Australasia.

    I have a friend in Australia that told me that it’s typical for kids to have oral sex before they’ve finished elementary school and lose their virginity by 15. It shocked me, as I didn’t even have my first real kiss until I was 20 (I’m 22).

  54. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy

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    Greetings to Rainy & JayBear - glad to see I won’t be completely alone when the Moonbat Convergence comes to Denver (getting my Fred(!) signs ready)!

    So basically, our over-processed & hormone-ated foods & chemicals are setting our girls up as a slow-pitch that the pop-media-increasingly-disposable-culture can then easily pound over the wall.

    More reasons I’ll keep MuscleBaby on Animal Planet/TLC and drinking milk from Royal Crest.

    If anyone can find it, I would be interested in seeing the references to soy formula & feminization of boys - as I currently have one of those on the way.

    - MuscleDaddy

    P.S. - Hey, Skye.

    P.P.S. - Wayne, is that you?

  55. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    PC-

    I didn’t know there were multiples of you!

    Sorry for the confusion, Red really meant my better (and infinitely more attractive) half. Just her choice of words. I left Serena’s attributes in the essay by intent. I suppose you could look them up if you’re interested.

    Cheapster-

    Jackboot is enjoying his beaming rights.

    Absolutely, I have no clue where she got those smarts. Didn’t do too bad in spite of my parenting, she’s well on the way to taking care of us in our, not-too-far away old age.

    Crunchie-

    Give her bangie thang and I’s best.

    Will do brother !!! She inquired as to all of you and hugs to y’all were conveyed. Just a reminder though: Those two are NOT allowed to hit the package store together without supervision, how we didn’t end up in the pokey after that trip is beyond me. I know you remember that little…ummm….incident.

  56. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    Muscledaddy - Why, I certainly am me. Glad you asked. :-P

    Would you believe that ever since Bill started his insane project, I’ve been spending more and more time getting involved here and a few other sites, as well as over there? It’s crazy, I tell you.

    Hey, think we could get anyone from here to write stuff for the Library over there?

  57. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy

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    Wayne,

    Right off, I’d have to suggest JB’s ‘little girl’ - her stuff has historically proven to be well-written & researched, while still managing to be topical.

    JB himself, BlackisWhite & Spats are always good for a well-considered piece.

    His Majesty has seemed a bit busy of late - but maybe he could be persuaded to help us get with these folks?

    - MuscleDaddy

  58. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Better get ready Crunchie

    At least I still have a few years before that syncing up thing happens.

    Bordello’s have that problem, they’d hire a Ragtime band (that’s where them name’s from,,really)

    Sync’ing could better than tag-teamin’..
    Lemme know how ya do!

  59. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    Sorry for the confusion, Red really meant my better (and infinitely more attractive) half. Just her choice of words.

    Eh?

  60. Unregistered Comment by LC Serena QB

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    Hello all,

    Thank you for all the wonderful comments and feedback!

    Just to answer some questions: the deal with the non-relative male pheromones is just that, it’s non-relative. The body is designed not react to related male pheromones (nature’s way to attempt to prevent incest), but the introduction of a stepdad and his pheromones into the home environment has proven to prematurely cause the hypothalamus to release gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH)- the antecedent hormone in puberty.

    As far as the biological ties with androgen receptor genes, it is a longitudinal study that is still currently in progress. The research provided thus far, however, has shown direct parallelism with fathers who abandon a family or were absent in the first place and their daughters exhibiting precocious puberty with behavioral problems.

    Hope that clears things up. Thanks again everyone!

  61. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    If a girl becomes precocious in a traditional nuclear family, this could be a sign that the dad is not the real dad. :shock:

    Great essay Serena! Good to see you again. I know your old man - how’d you get to be so smart? ;-)


    Bordello’s have that problem, they’d hire a Ragtime band (that’s where them name’s from,,really)

    Then shouldn’t they employ more strings?

  62. LC CountryRED Comment by LC CountryRED

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    Then shouldn’t they employ more strings?

    LOVE it thank you for giving me my smile for the day!

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    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    fantastic piece, love the research. it sure makes sense to me. keep up the great work & make Mom & Dad proud! :)