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Yup. It’s Just “A Bumper Sticker Slogan”, Pony Boy
Posted by: B.C., Imperial Torturer™ in Allah's Assholes, Lefty America-Haters, Socialist Swine, Traitors8:55 AM
Let’s hope that the Breck Girl™ and HIS family are standing right next to the next Bumper Sticker™ that goes off, instead of innocent victims.
LONDON — Police thwarted an apparent terror attack early Friday after an ambulance crew reported seeing a smoking car parked near Piccadilly Circus that turned out to be packed with gasoline, nails, gas cylinders, and a detonator.
The explosives — safely defused by a bomb squad — were powerful enough to have caused “significant injury or loss of life” — possibly killing hundreds, British anti-terror police chief Peter Clarke said.
That’s some powerful Bumper Sticker™ there, Deadwards. How about you put one of those on your Carbon Neutral Limousine™? Also, while you’re at it, how about having The Chappaquiddick Swimmer™ be your chauffeur?
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So the “fighting them over there” is working quite well, isn’t it?
June 29th, 2007 at 9:03 AMUsing
Working a lot better than cowering in our homes, Deej.
Not to mention, IT WAS SAFELY DEFUSED! Cripes, hundreds happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, but if ONE even APPEARS in the Western World, it’s an absolute failure, no matter if it failed and ends up leading to the capture of the Assholes of Allah that were sent.
Try and remember, the actual military area of the War on Terror is only one PART of the whole war. They’re not called the first line of defense for nothing.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:17 AMUsing
Damn right it is! When the mooselimb “freedom fighters” decide that another country is safer to attempt something like this in is better than the US, we’re winning. Tony Blair, who stood with the US on the GWOT is leaving, and what’s the first thing that happens? Those that bow to the moon god and his messenger MoHAMsandwich (may bees pee upon him) attempt an attack on innocent civilians in London. And yet, the British police were good enough to prevent it. Regardless of what the MSM will tell you, there was intelligence obtained “over there” that lead to the discovery, it wasn’t blind luck. Yet, you can’t see where taking the fight to them is better than disarming a bomb in NYC?
Deej, get the liberal blinders off and stop eating what the MSM and the lefttards are dishing out, you’re smarter than that.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:18 AMUsing
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June 29th, 2007 at 9:31 AMUsing
More police doing their jobs and doing it well? Oh when will the madness end?
June 29th, 2007 at 9:45 AMUsing
another car in Park Lane is currently ebing investigated with the area closed by the Met bomb squad, stay tuned the Assholes for Allah are failing again!
June 29th, 2007 at 10:06 AMUsing
DJ said:
And how many successful attacks have been carried out on US soil by Osama’s Goat-raping Gimps™ since 9/11?
Dave, if you STILL haven’t noticed, we STILL have an ALL-VOLUNTEER military and we’re STILL meeting all recruiting goals, DESPITE the nearly 6 years of agitprop, aid & comfort that you and your fellow Leftists have been giving to our enemies. And that’s DESPITE the almost 6 years of slanderous & libelous rancid anal spew issuing forth from the mouthes & keyboards of the retarded assnuggets on the Idiotarian Side of the Parallel Universal Divide™ against our incredible military personnel. And DESPITE having their hands tied behind their backs by the festering fucknuggets in Congress & the Whitehouse, our military STILL kicks the shit out of the enemy every time the cowardly, child-raping MoHamHeadians bother stepping out from behind the burqas of the women & children they use as shields.
So, yes, Dave, if you wish to give Osama’s Fucktarded Felafel Flippers™ free reign to roam around Seattle and Portland, blowing up buses filled with the elderly, women & children, please feel free to invite them over and hand them bus passes. Those of us who value not being blown up as we step into a restaurant for a nice, quiet meal with our families will continue supporting killing Mad MoHamHead’s Mutt-fucking Morons™… OVER THERE.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:40 AMUsing
Hey, can anybody make a stick figure family (you know, those ones that everybody’s got on the back of the minivan or the Suburban these days) with a stick figure Islamofascist, next to stick figure gasoline, nails, gas cylinders, and a detonator?
That’s the kind of bumper stick (window sticker in this case, actually) that would be relevant here.
As for “fighting them over there,” well, we would have to get the wussified politicians out of the way and actually let our guys fight to win for it to really be “fighting them over there.” It’s amazing what they’ve been able to do with the handicapping burden of Washington on their backs. It seems like those moron politicians that keep pushing for surrender can’t get enough of making the targets on the backs of my two oldest sons even bigger.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:01 AMUsing
Why do people think that is the only alternative?
Either / or.
You mention Afghanistan. A failure as well. The Taliban is pretty much back in control. We virtually handed Iraq over to Iran.
We were attacked on September 11, 2001 by people who are STILL free and breathing air. Instead we were treated to the biggest bait and switch in history.
But hey, it is a good thing that the majority of people in this country are starting to realize this now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:04 AMUsing
Fine, I agree.
As for a solution, vaporize a muslim city, once a week, until all radical muslims are rounded up and eliminated.
What, you expected me to sing Kumbayah?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:16 AMUsing
Care to back that up with some actual, ya’ know, FACTS?
Not quite yet, but you and your fellow Leftists have been, as I said before, doing your damnedest to prevent our military from doing what’s needed to do to win this war.
As for the Turbaned Tumblefucks of Terror-ran being in charge for much longer, you apparently haven’t been paying attention to the news from Iran lately. The non-nutjob Iranians might be taking care of that little problem self.
Thousands of Taliban/Al Qaieda corpses would beg to differ.
Yeah. We were assured that there would be a LOT MORE dead Jihadis rotting in the sun the world over. Instead, we have you and your fellow fucknugget Leftists bitching and complaining whenever non-uniformed combatants (Read: Illegal combatants not offered protection by the Geneva Conventions) even get a hangnail in Club Gitmo, much less when they get splodulated on the battlefield or get blown up while huddling underneath a burqa in their safe house.
Keep huffing on the bong and singing “Kumbaya“, Dave. That EUtopia is just around the corner…
June 29th, 2007 at 11:23 AMUsing
Again, either / or.
It is absolutist thinking. One extreme or the other.
In answer to your question, we had the perfect opportunity to clean up Afghanistan and take out all of the Al Qaeda fighters. Instead, we used the attacks on 9/11 as an excuse to invade a country that had absolutely nothing to do with those attacks.
We should have followed Osama been Forgotten to the gates of hell, and given him a shove once we got there.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 AMUsing
My ex lives in London. She’ll blame me over this.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:28 AMUsing
But it’s TRUE, Big D! You’re an Insensitive Infidel™ who has done nothing but enrage the Islamofascists with your Infidel-ity™. You need to be more compassionate and understanding about the MoHamHeadian Mutt-molesters’ grievances. All they want to be able to do is live in peace, rape young girls at will and behead a few of us Infidels now and then. Is that asking too much?
Why can’t we all just get along?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:35 AMUsing
bj allyn=American AssClown, right out of the same Islamic Trash lovers like Edwards, Murtha, and Kennedy…..
Strap a bomb on your ass bj and join your heros, you sorry SOB. As far as breathing air, the only sad part is, uslesss fucks like you still are.
hOOt
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 AMUsing
And as we were in the act of doing just that, there was nothing but Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth™ coming from the LefTards. Shrubya and his fellow spineless fuckheads in DC listened and stopped short of leveling every mountain from Kabul to Calcutta to ensure that every Taliban & Al Qaieda asshole was buried and/or charred/vaporized.
Do you REALLY think our memories are THAT short, Dave?
It’s a damned good thing you and your kind weren’t around in 1941. We’d have only taken out Japan and all of Europe & continental Asia would be speaking German today.
If you haven’t noticed, there seems to be a dearth of Osama videos since about the time our guys started dropping thermobaric munitions into the caves of Tora Bora. For someone who is almost as big a camera whore as Jesse “Shakedown” Jackson, wouldn’t ya’ think ol’ Obama, er, Osama would be crankin’ out videos, to incite & inspire his followers, at a pace faster than the Dark Brothers with a suitcase full of Ecstasy & Vi*gra at Spring Break?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:48 AMUsing
I find your avatar appropriate deej, a brainless mouth going a mile a minute.
When dealing with extremists you have to use extreme measures, something no libtard in history seems to be able to comprehend.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:09 PMUsing
One other thought bj….since when is London “over here”? The dumbass Brits made their Islamic beds long ago….they let their world become infested with the trash from the Middle East, and there is no turning back….and sadly we are doing the same…ever been to Dearborn?
While Illegal immigration from the south needs to be stomped out….all immigration from the land of camel fockers needs to be halted, and the trend reversed.
Otherwise we are doomed, and leftist loons, like you, will finally have their “utopia”…..that being America as we know it, done, once and for all. Only problem for you is, the Muzzies hate libs even more than they hate us.
hOOt
June 29th, 2007 at 12:25 PMUsing
the britts are now reaping what they have sowed with the multi-culti ethos that all cultures are equal. now, they are infested and god help them dig out of this now…..Ooo-fah.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:53 PMUsing
Hoot, if you can’t summon up a cogent argument, how about shutting the fuck up.
All you ever do is launch personal attacks on DJ, which regardless of his beliefs he has never instigated.
You aren’t furthering your point, just coming across as a total fucknozzle.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:00 PMUsing
I want to know why we aren’t napalming poppy fields. Ok, that’s extreme, but there’s no doubt something we can do with crop dusters to cut off that little cash cow.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:05 PMUsing
Would you rather be on the receiving end limp dick?
DJ can answer if he wishes, you being his lap dog can go piss in the corner or wipe your ass on the carpet, the choice is yours Skippy.
hOOt
June 29th, 2007 at 1:05 PMUsing
ooops…that last one was for Sir Nimrod Seagoon…KWONG got a post in between our flames……
hOOt
June 29th, 2007 at 1:09 PMUsing
Go on back to bed Deej,,you’ve missed too much already to catch up.
You are sooo right. But America is just like that.
Pearl Harbor gets bombed, and we go take it out on that nice Austrian boy that brought industrialization and order to Europe..
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 PMWe sooo bad..
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I’ll give DJ a little bit of credit; at least he’s not saying that because there was nails and propane and gas tanks in the car that it wasn’t *really* a bomb, the car owner was really just going to do some weekend grilling and home improvement projects, the car was smoking because he was smoking inside the car (with propane and gas tanks as cargo, sure), and the driver ran from the scene because he was an illegal immigrant and/or had no insurance. This is the kind of stuff DJs friends down at the Democratic Underground are saying after this incident.
They also ignore the recent postings on Islamic jihad sites saying London was to be bombed, as well as the newly revealed information that a computer was captured in Pakistan with plans for car bombings like this on the hard drive. Funny how every anti-Bush scrap in the news gets collected by the liberals and believed as entirely true (even Weekly World News reports about Laura leaving George over extramarital affairs), yet a news report about a potential terrorist bomb makes them roll their eyes and say “false flag operation; something’s going on and Booooooosh doesn’t want us to know”.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:04 PMUsing
Germany declared war on us on December 11th:
Of course Germany was being slightly disingenuous since they had been sinking our merchant ships heading to Britain carrying military equipment.
The majority of Americans at that time didn’t want to enter the war in Germany. In fact, many held the same anti-semetic views the Nazis did.
Roosevelt wanted to get into the war in ‘39, and pretty much pushed the Germans to declare war on us AFTER we declared war on Japan, whom they had a treaty with.
I know that the inclination of the GWOT apologists is to compare our attacking Iraq with WW II and our going to war with Germany. But it is apples and oranges.
We went after Japan and we didn’t stop until we had conquered them and rebuilt their country.
We went into Afghanistan, set a few bombs off and beat out chest, then ran off to Iraq, leaving Afghanistan to drift back into what it was before we went in.
It would have meant a lot more if we had actually DONE something in Afghanistan — even to the point of chasing OBL and his merry band of misfits into Pakistan. We suddenly pussified when we got to the border of Pakistan. Whatever happened to that tough talk about countries who harbor terrorists? Did Musharif scare Bush or something?
Bush never had any intention of getting Bin Laden. He needed bin Laden alive so he could be the poster boy for the GWOT.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:08 PMUsing
And Iraq declared war on us the moment they violated the first of the terms in the ceasefire agreement that Saddam signed.
That’s how those agreements to end wars work. The war is over until the terms are violated, then it’s back on.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:29 PMUsing
It is just sooo amazing that you could know so much about WWII, chonologically accurate, then blow it on recent events.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:30 PMI won’t bore everyone here with the events leading 12 years up to the actions, the notion that Afghan was “abandoned”, the complexities the pakistani dictator that is our only hope faces and why we didn’t run right through the paki checkpoints,, no, you have to educate yourself my friend.
Start here, and work your way up to today..I believe there’s 19 total, each with new provocations by sadam.
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Once again, Dave, give me some numbers, stats, REAL reporting. And take a close look at my avatar, that’s the USAF Special Operations Command, and I’d beg to differ with you about running off. There’s plenty of my cohorts and former deployers in that particular theater of operations right fucking now, and I’m sure they’ll be happy to know they’re not actually there delivering a daily ass whipping to the raghead AQ “freedom fighters”. Please allow me to pass on to them your vast knowledge of the situation in Afghanistan…
Just because Reid, Kennedy and the MSM et al scream that the GWOT is lost doesn’t make it so, no matter how bad you tree hugging, incense burning, 1960s wanna-be’s wish it was.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:35 PMUsing
Each missile shot at coalition aircraft was an act of war.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:35 PMUsing
A Modest Proposal
From a completely unrelated article about Tom Cruise it was mentioned:
Brings up an interesting idea. How about a Constitutional Amendment declaring that any “so called religion” that advocates murder and mayhem is actually a cult and thus does not enjoy the protections of Freedom of Religion.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:17 PMUsing
So this, ahem, bomb just happens to be discovered the same day Chimpy and Rove announce they will illegally refuse to provide all the Gonzales papers. Now this conveniently will dominate the news all weekend. What a marvelous coincidence!
Y’all must really think we reality based are stupid?
I am to intellegent for you!
Now I’ve got to get back to my day job of slurping the sweat off of Michael Moore’s nutsack. Cheerio!
June 29th, 2007 at 4:21 PMUsing
Jeeezus Dave,
two car bombs are found and deactivated in DOWNTOWN London today, they don’t explode…no one is killed…and all you can do is use it to take a very cheap political hit at the GWOT and Bush.
I expect more of you man, I know you’re more intelligent than that. To fall back on these kinds of emotional cheap shots that are so common from the DU idiots and the kos fools is below you DJ….
if this low level of argumentis what you have to resort to when there is such a clear cut victory like this is clearly an indication that the good guys won one today, and that just riles the hell out of you Bush haters doesn’t it…can’t acknowledge any kind of success now can we?
I consider it a win if nothing explodes and no innocent women and children are killed by islamonazi terrorists….I consider that a win indeed, too bad you BDS practitioners can’t take a breath and say “Good job, innocent lives were saved today”
June 29th, 2007 at 4:22 PMUsing
Yes, Dave, we are doing a damn fine job of killing them in Baghdad, so that we don’t have to kill them in Bellview.
Not that anyone with a functional BRAIN waould expect them to stop trying. They only have to get lucky once.
This war would have been over by Christmas of 2001 if your fellow democrats would SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the adults deal with this shit. But, no, we have to listen to your bitching about a dozen fucking idiot KIDS at Abu Ghraib for three years. We have to listen to Ted *hic* Kennedy’s LIES every damn day. We have to listen to your side whine because we are not treating TERRORISTS in accordance with the Geneva and Hague Conventions. Non-uniformed personnel caught making free lance war can be summarily SHOT on the battlefield, completely legally, but we allow librul idiots and their pissant whining to tie our hands.
Nuke Mecca and Medina, then dare the bastards to do something about it. Then do Falluja just for the hell of it.
If they think we are crazy, they won’t fuck with us (just ask Frank J.) If we act like we care about their FEEEWINGS, they just laugh and keep coming.
Kill a couple of million of them, show tham that we take this war SERIOUSLY for a change, and maybe they will LEAVE US ALONE!
Fucking peanut farmer screwed up the world forever, and the hits just keep on coming from his stupid shit.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:46 PMUsing
Sorry to be a broken record, but maybe you can tell me: what is being done about the poppy fields that fund the assholes? You never hear anything about it, other than the fields are a real problem and are producing like crazy. I don’t know if they report this to make us feel like we are somehow less effective than the Taliban, but it pisses me off. If drug money is funding terrorist activities, then it seems a no brainer to wipe out the poppy fields. And bright-colored poppies should be hard to hide! I’ll donate the RoundUp!
June 29th, 2007 at 4:49 PMUsing
Kwongdzu sez:
A big ol’ B52 saturation bombing raid might be a good way to thin out the poppy fields dontcha think Kwong?
And if they fly an East to West course, they could drop off any secondary ordinance on the iranian oil terminals.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:57 PMUsing
Well, kwong, I can only tell you what I’ve heard. Since the fields are in the regions that the coalition has been denied access to, there’s not a lot happening from the military standpoint. The current Afghan government (yes Dave, in spite of what you’ve been fed by the MSM, there is one) has implemented plans to control, if not destroy the poppy growing fields. Now, understand, there’s a HUGE difference in the way the local/regional governments look at the so-called “problem” of the use of the poppies. To them, it’s simply agriculture, which is the way they get around it from their supposedly “strict” religious beliefs.
Again, this is just what’s been discussed over beverages during the past couple of years. But since you can’t get the MSM to report a real story out of that region, I tend to lend credence to these “discussions”.
June 29th, 2007 at 4:57 PMUsing
The poppy fields will stay until they can find a way to wean the warlords away from that crop without driving them directly into ubls’ camp.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:07 PMThat, by the way, is bad.
Welcome to life, the biggest trade-off in the universe.
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What diseases or insects are poppies susceptible to?
June 29th, 2007 at 5:24 PMUsing
Second Bomb Defused :
AFP LINK
Lets hope they got all of them.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:34 PMUsing
But they’re actually right about that. We AREN’T. If we were, those scumbags would be dangling from the gallows mere hours after they were caught.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:41 PMUsing
>Germany declared war on us on December 11th
Hey, and Iran declared war on us decades ago.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:58 PMTime to vaporize ‘em!
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in an effort to lighten things up around here…
and to celebrate the victory over islamist murderers in London today
Check out the photoshop parody contest going on over at snapped shot starring none other than that dear little islamic rage boy!!!
Fun stuff, here’s my entry
June 29th, 2007 at 7:52 PMUsing
That was good, Jaybear, thanks. I am just grateful to God it was caught before…….sadly it is going to take exterminating these vermin………..
June 29th, 2007 at 8:25 PMUsing
Take your invective hOOt, fold it until it’s all corners, and go fuck yourself bloody with it.
I’ve been here a while and I haven’t seen you put together a single cogent argument yet. There are a lot of smart people here, DJ is one of them, and usually the debate is heated but stimulating.
You just instantly reduce any argument to personal attacks and hysteric hyperbolic accusations, neither of which show thought or skill above the grade 4 level.
Whether I agree or disagree with his politics or statements, I respect DJ for all he’s done for this site and his continued presence and polite dissent. It is tolerance of dissent and difference of opinion which make a free society, and if you look at where I’m posting from, you’ll see I’ve got a pretty good perspective on the other side.
You, on the other hand, I have no respect for. You contribute nothing, in terms of service or debate, save your peculiar obsession with male sexual organs and writing in all bold. You insult without reading or reason, you defend without arguments, and you have the debating skills of a semi-literate monkey boy.
So I will continue to defend DJ against unwarranted personal attacks because I am a free individual, discussing issues on a forum which espouses freedom of speech, and because it is my choice to do so. He certainly isn’t a troll, and deserves (and gets, from most people here) more personal respect than you ever will. His politics, well, they can differ- but difference is important- isn’t it the symptom of the rabid left that everyone must think and act alike?
So go on, poor widdle hOOtie, rant, rave curse and swear. That’s freedom of speech, and I will defend your right to do it- but I’m not listening to you. Call me names, accuse me of homosexuality, shout and scream- it doesn’t matter. I’ve just learned to discount anything you say as the small-minded, moronic rantings of a petty, petty man.
Now fuck off.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:35 PMUsing
What angers me is what the greatest cities of the world have to deal with, London being one of them, New York another…. I think of my family members in Sydney, another great city…..and what they have told me of the Aussies having lost their lives…………these pieces of shit are going to do what they decide to do, period. It is up to us to stop them, preferably permanently.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:46 PMUsing
Poor little Seagoon, are you about done cleaning the jiz off you lips from servicing bj?….you sorry left wing piece of trash. If not, continue to do the John Edwards thing…..
Let me guess, you never served, did you asshole?
That’s what I thought…….
DJ is a fucking anti-American puke(unless one of his marxist buds is in charge) and you and your ilk are his butt boys.
Next…….
hOOt
oh….and b-t-w…I’ll take my two tours in VN, BS in Biology, and MS in American History, to your leftist ass kissing anyday, sonny.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:15 PMUsing
What’s funny is the left bangs the drum over how we havnt caught Osama yet, but who was it that turned down 2 offers to have him handed over to American authorities by Syria and Saudi?? Ol’ Slick Willy Clinton of course.
You’re not going to hear anything about what we’re doing in Afghanistan and thats the way it should be. Were probably doing things that would otherwise upset the oh-so-tender-hearted left and Euro Union. Personally Id rather it keep quiet than to have CNN splattering their feces all over the airwaves on where our troops are positioned, like the goofball that came on there and explained the weak areas of an Apache, and how to take one down. Good job there corky!
June 29th, 2007 at 10:42 PMUsing
Maybe this is the right place for this little interlude.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:00 PMIt pain’s me, as my moniker infer’s, that such fine folks must employ such high grade munitions to service these thugs.
They are simply not worthy of the sendoff they recieve.
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If those cars belong to Mooselimbs, we shouldn’t violate their rights by taking property without due process. They should be returned to the nearest mosque at once. Then someone should call to make sure they were received in good condition; that cell phone in the back must belong to the owner, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 6:36 PMUsing
Duke,
June 30th, 2007 at 7:26 PMUsing
Kwongdzu
From what I’ve read about the poppy eradication efforts, the Americans would cruise out into the countryside with an Afghani official. No–you can’t touch that field. It belongs to so and so. Apparently that would keep happening until they would finally come upon a field they could spray.
And as far as nuking Iran, some of the citizens had spontaneous protests in favor of the US after 9/11
June 30th, 2007 at 8:16 PMUsing
Dave, I’m not so sure I’d go so far as to say that.
Now maybe that article got debunked, but I’m sure we would not have heard the end of it, and I’ve never even heard the start of it.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:21 PMUsing
Spatula
Actually, you’re kind of scary for a piece of kitchenware.
My link to that article never gave me an article. Boy, this will be like chum to sharks.
Clearly we live in parallel universes, and apparently, everything I know is wrong, but
–it was my understanding most of the intelligence analysts of the time did not think that Iraq was a source of Al Queda terrorists. To get that analysis, they had to ignore the CIA and State Dept intelligence and create their own intelligence group within the defense dept (which was recently confirmed by the Pentagon Inspector General). That group told them what they wanted to hear. They also relied heavily on information from Achmed Chalabi, who was considered a charlatan by the CIA and State Dept.
–Saddam hated Al Queda and considered them a threat to his regime, and Zarquawi (sp?) was hiding in his country, not there as a guest. Apparently there was some meeting, but there was also something from German intelligence about an agent with unreliable information (would not bet my life that it was for this incident)
–and as far as WMDs, never did find any. There was that trailer, but it turned out to be a false alarm, and a few munitions from the 1980s turned up
–the rods that were thought to be centrifuge tubes for producing nuclear material turned out to be inappropriate for that use
–clearly, the man was evil. I don’t think there is any debate there.
–this is just an observation, but I think it’s kind of odd there were no Iraqis among the terrorists, yet a number from our ally Saudi Arabia. Of course that does not mean that they had government support. Yet with the drumbeat for the war, a sizable number of Americans thought there were Iraqi hijackers on 9/11.
Lest I be considered traitorous scum, I thought it was pretty clear that we had to hunt down the the terrorists and was very much in favor of the war in Afghanistan. I think that had pretty broad-based support, including among liberals.
Now, just because I question the reasons for the Iraqi War, does not mean that I do not support it now that we are in it. . I think we need to stay the course and am a little alarmed that Lugar suggested bringing the troops home.
(And I’m really glad we started buying the device that blocks RPGs from Israel instead of waiting until 2011 or so for Raytheon to develop their version. Initially the Army’s efforts to buy the device were blocked by higher-ups who wanted the contract to go to Raytheon.)
I also think our intelligence agencies have done an excellent job of keeping us safe so far.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 PMUsing
Psychochick your confusion is almost universal among the left,,and I understand most of the reasons.
That is a pitiful distraction wmployed to snare the ADD folks.
For the record, saddam was not removed because of anything in particular ubl did.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:44 PMIt was the matter of his failed brinkmanship with the UN.
Their people did lunch, jihadi’s bought russian stuff, trained up north, and ubl applauded saddam’s policy of splodeydope rewards for pali’s attacking Isreal
Same goals,, kill jooo’s, scare people, no sports channel,,
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Cheapskate
Thanks–although I must say, ADD is not one of my problems! But it’s way better than being called a traitor.
Sometimes you are very concise. The buying Russian equipment and training up north is in Iraq? Are you saying that they were Jihadist terrorists training to attack the West? Or that they were dispatched to Palestine? You are clearly saying that Saddam financially rewarded people who attacked Israel, so that would have him worth deposing right there.
By the way, if we ever meet in person, I owe you many large drinks for all of the misinterpretations.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:05 PMUsing
I meant Cheapshot! Oh my god–so sorry.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:06 PMUsing
Well it didn’t take long for London Mayor “Mohammad is my Fwiend” Livingstone to come out and defend his Jihadi Butt Buddies.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:07 PMUsing
That’s known as stomping on ones pecker, psychochick> We’ve all done it, welcome to the Rott….LOL.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 PMUsing
Mrs. M
I don’t know. It’s pretty standard when extremists of one ethnic group do something evil to ask to refrain from harming other members of that group. It’s hardly unique to muslim attacks.
I thought that coming out against Saudi Arabia’s funding of Wahhabi Islam was pretty significant. How often do you hear our goverment criticize the Saudi government?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 PMUsing
If it had been anyone but Livingstone I would agree with you PC….but he is well known and well documented for being one of the instigators of anti-American and Anti-WOT animosity in Britain. He’s taken the wrong side more than just this instance.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:49 PMUsing
Hey, Mrs. M, do you think that someone needs to buy the mayor of London a clue?? I mean, sheesh, talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:55 PMUsing
Personally I would settle for buying him a one way ticket to Mecca….right before we turned it into a glowing green glass parking lot.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 AMUsing
Mrs. M
Okay, I defer to your greater knowledge in this case.. But what the hell is a WOT?
You mentioned childhood stuff the other day–so sorry.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 AMUsing
Now Mrs. M, that’s just being mean and vindictive to London’s brainless mayor.
I LOVE IT!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:26 AMUsing
PC,
I think that’s short for War on Terror.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:28 AMUsing
leoni2
Thanks. I guess it should have been obvious. I was thinking it was some sort of organization.
Isn’t it kind of late for you East Coast folks, or is the humidity keeping you up? Who am I to talk. I stay up until 2 or 3.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:27 AMUsing
PC - As Cheapshot said, you have much information that is a result of misrepresentation of the actual reasons for invading Iraq. These are so pervasive that few people question them when they are presented. Here are a few (I’m not going to be comprehensive here, if someone else wants to fill in some more, be my guest) of the real reasons we went into Iraq:
1) Since almost immediately after the first Gulf war, Saddam had been defying the terms of the cease-fire. In some instances it was by inhibiting or even throwing out the weapons inspectors, in others it was firing on our airplanes in the no-fly zone. I raged to my wife numerous times while Clinton was President that something substantive needed to be done then.
2) Whether he still had any or not, Saddam had had chemical weapons. The weapons inspectors were never able to verify that he had destroyed them all as he agreed to do. After 9/11, we had to make sure that both the ones he had before and any new ones he might have made since were not available to fall into terrorist hands. Since there was no verification, and he would not cooperate well enough to get true verification, there was really only one way to be sure.
3) Iraq was (and is) a highly strategic location in the ME. Since he had violated the cease-fire, that actually was all the justification we needed to go back in there. The invasion of Iraq also sent a message to the other countries in the region (If you remember, Libya gave up its WMD programs after we invaded).
4) Whether he and Osama got along or not, Saddam DID help fund the terrorists by sending rewards to the families of Palis who blew themselves up in Isreal.
I haven’t actually seen any good sources who said that the administration claimed that Iraq was a significant source of al-Queda terrorists, even if we did find (which I can’t locate the story again) a training camp with some ridiculous number of suicide bomb vests after the invasion.
Frankly, I would hope that, based on the violations he was making (including the perversion of the Oil-for-Food program), that we would have taken his sorry butt down even if 9/11 had never happened. My wife is one of those who say, “Bush was already planning on invading Iraq while he was still in Texas”, to which I reply, “I sure as hell hope so!”
July 1st, 2007 at 2:10 AMUsing
WayneB
Thanks for your time. I’ll ponder, and I’ve copied your post, so I can go back to it.
The one thing I would argue is about Libya. They had been making overtures before the start of the war.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:49 AMUsing
WayneB
Run a search on “Salman Pak + airliner fuselage”
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock040303.asp
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/2002question/salmanpak.htm
July 1st, 2007 at 8:47 AMUsing
Psychochick
(blushes, coo’s in undertone:) …you know me!..
Only you know if you’re one or not. If not, blow past it,, let the fact’s make an ass out of the antagonist..I’m never offended by innacurate assessments, the possible results will decide what to do.
‘Looks like WayneB and the rest gave you some footnotes to sort.
Shockin’, eh?
‘Gotta admit, keepin’ all that info behind the curtains is like sneakin’ dawn past a rooster.
Revealing it as another goebbel-ian (’zat a word?) strategy, rather than the indictment they crave is a tired re-play, maybe you sensed the exasperation.
Drinks. Yes. If you awake to find yourself at disney world Fla,, : contemporary hotel, top floor, order “Monorails” (any color, they’re all good).We’ll be there.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:25 AMUsing
PC…….I would suggest you start talking to the troops that keep us old farts safe before you make any judgment. Funny…….they think THEY ARE WINNING!!
Semper Fi
July 1st, 2007 at 12:31 PMUsing
Agreed.
For those who don’t have any contact with people or troops in Iraq, and who only think they know what’s goin’ on, start with Blackfive, then hit his milblog, blogroll. After that, read Michael Yon.
News about staff-level leadership is going to be breaking, soon. However, the troops onna ground - and most of their immediate superiors - are getting the job done.
If anyone believes - or spouts - anything the MSM or liberal politicians are saying about any of it, they’re damned ignorant fools. …and that’s bein’ polite about it.
Semper Fi, MasterGuns.
“Bones”
July 1st, 2007 at 3:51 PMSgt USMC 1976-1983
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MasterGuns and WRBones
Thanks for your restraint, but I never said they (we) were losing! I was just questioning the original assumptions for going to war in Iraq. That has no effect on my opinions on the current state of the war. The only comment I made about the current situation in that post was that I supported the war! I do not support bringing them home now and have posted that repeatedly.
And by the way, I do have a relative in the military.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:03 PMUsing
Ahh, hOOt, you’re so full of it you’re almost a caricature…
I confront you on your inability to argue without preemptive ad hominem attacks, and this is what you reply?
Nice way to prove my point, twat.
After that stunning coup or logic you proceed to call me a “sorry left wing piece of trash.”
Well, if you’re sooo educated, how about a citation, bitch? You want to finally try to back up your pissant argument? Go through the archives and find ONE QUOTE OF MINE that justifies that statement.
And service? Nice try at a strawman you incoherent shitbag. I know it’s hard for such a cock-obsessed nitwit, but try to stick to the subject at hand.
Free speech, specifically free speech as a way to promote rational discussion. In case you missed that class at school, the object of a debate is to persuade your opponent to adopt your point of view- not to call them a cocksucker for daring to disagree.
Most of the Rotts do understand the idea of free speech, except of course for your bizarre homosexual-obsessed mudslinging. Try to develop a little diversity in your invective, all the homo-erotic diatribes make you come across as a severely repressed nancy-boy who’s just dying to take off his butch man-clothes and slip into a cocktail dress to complement the women’s panties he wears under his clothes every day.
I mean seriously, you talk more about gay cocksucking in more detail and with more relish than a 5$ rentboy. It says something about your psyche, it really does.
It also may explain your occasional absences from commenting- does sugar daddy take away your internet?
July 1st, 2007 at 7:50 PMUsing
seagoon
July 1st, 2007 at 8:54 PMI meant to compliment you on your original post–beautifully written and very eloquent. Your English is superb. However, it would seem like it would have to be your second language given your location.
Using
PC, thanks. It’s hardly my second language- I’m Canadian. I just work here, try to survive and not get deported for shitdisturbing.
I used to work in the media, but I stopped working in that field (locally at least) when my opinions about freedom of speech and expression became a little too noticed.
My eyes are still wide open, and I still write for internationals under pseuds, but for now, I’m laying low.
I could tell a few stories though, about the inevitable conclusion of what happens when discussion and disagreement are stifled by the self-righteous.
It tends to go “difference of opinion=dissent=treason=bullet in the brain.” (Or clubbing to death. Or immolation. Or framing and imprisonment. Etc, etc.)
I can’t say I approve of that, and I find anyone who promotes the idea of “your beliefs make you worthy of death” to be odious, because I’ve met the families of people who were purged for believing the wrong thing.
There are crimes called sedition and treason, and they are worthy of heavy punishment- but that is because they are actions, and actions are punishable. (The action of sedition not being the speech per se, but the exhortation to commit treason)
Personal beliefs, and the free expression of the same, are a gift we all have right to, and are something I hold very dear. So, regardless of politics, belief, right or wrong, I will actively defend anyone’s right to free speech, by whatever means I must.
Because I have seen what happens when we do not.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:30 PMUsing
Well, the challenge was extended and hOOt couldn’t answer it, so I must assume that he was:
a. incapable
b. incompetent
c. full of shit
You made the allegations, and you’re the one who failed to provide substantiation- seems like you’re full of shit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:42 PMUsing
seagoon
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 PMI know that repression of beliefs is pretty common in the world, and that all sorts of heinous things are done to people. But where has there been immolation?
Using
You probably didn’t hear about the farmer’s protests in rural Guangzhou- the government (corrupt as all hell) was illegally appropriating farmers’ land to sell to developers cheap (with a massive kickback, of course.)
Farmers protested, nothing happened, farmers went to the provincial government, nothing much happened- until they got home, where they were beaten down and burned alive.
So the farmers rioted, took over some towns, burned the politicians and most of the crooked cops, and tried to negotiate with the central government.
Journos who tried to report on it were jailed, deported and in at least one case beaten to death. Activists are regularly murdered by the government/gang alliances. Central gov can do little due to semi-feudal set up in rural China (the Party Secretaries run it like a fiefdom, and there is little that can be done due to crippled information flow).
They shoot the corrupt pols fairly often, but there’s always more looking to take the red path to the gold road.
It’s a feudal mentality combined with a creaking, archaic, bureaucracy fuelled to a frenzy by a hypercapitalist underground.
End result? Impotent government and robber barons run wild- outside of a major city, and to a great extent even in major cities, it’s money that talks. There was a hilarious article in Time (within the last couple of months) about a reporter who was detained in a factory, and the local police and government couldn’t get him out because they lacked the authority.
Not enough guanxi to win. It’s a far to common story here, but it’s slowly changing.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 PMUsing
seagoon
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 PMThanks–had no idea. Yuch–can’t really express how awful that sounds. Maybe the stories about the young men who were slaves in the brick-making kilns is more common than one is led to believe.
Using
Yeah, not so uncommon. It’s hard to understand how it happens until you see the system here- it’s not the commies, or the colonials, it’s just the Chinese….
Read the yellow millet dream for a window into the mentality that creates this tolerance of bullshit. Basically, nobody fights, they just wait patiently for their chance to be on top. It may take several generations, but they are a very, very patient people.
So each oppressed peasant is secretly dreaming of what he’d do if he had the power, and sometimes, they get that power, and go crazy- and the cycle continues.
There is no responsibility in people, they have millennia of passing it up the chain, and treating other people’s suffering as a spectator sport (read Lu Xun on that one… Medicine or The True Story of Ah Q).
So, sadly, nobody complains, nobody talks, and everyone just accepts the millstone of corruption that hangs around their necks.
The government does act, if it knows- but it’s ability to know is sharply curtailed by the administrative system, which is essentially feudal in design.
There was a great story about a migrant worker who threw herself at Hu Jintao’s feet, complaining that they hadn’t been paid in months, etc, etc. This is common because the police will always side against the workers with residencies from a different city (hukou), because they’ve been bribed. Many of these workers live in shipping containers, under overpasses, etc., and are often beaten or killed for protesting their conditions.
She told her story, and the next day Hu, with officials, police, army etc. in tow (all who had previously been bribed, of course, but now they couldn’t protect the owners any more) showed up at the building site’s management office and ordered them to pay up.
They did. But that is rare. For every one case that reaches an official who can or will do something, hundreds are suppressed- often with violence.
So the only thing I, or anyone else here can do is to keep the information flowing, circumvent the filters and firewalls, and try in some little way to give a voice to those who need it.
Talk can change worlds.
(and, of course, try not to get caught doing it)
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 PMUsing
Oh, and if they are ever goaded to fight, they fight suicidally and fiercely- but without much skill or organization. Still, they always have numbers on their side, which is why there are dozens of low-grade insurrections happening all over the country, right now….
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 PMUsing