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…it’s looks like the current residents of Rhodesia aren’t all that thrilled with their People Powered Politics anymore:

ZIMBABWE’S leading cleric has called on Britain to invade the country and topple President Robert Mugabe. Pius Ncube, the Archbishop of Bulawayo, warned that millions were facing death from famine, unable to survive amid inflation believed to have soared to 15,000%.

Mugabe, 83, had proved intransigent despite the “massive risk to life”, said Ncube, the head of Zimbabwe’s 1m Catholics. “I think it is justified for Britain to raid Zimbabwe and remove Mugabe,” he said. “We should do it ourselves but there’s too much fear. I’m ready to lead the people, guns blazing, but the people are not ready.”

Some parts of Zimbabwe have seen 95% of crops fail, leaving families with only two or three weeks’ food supply to last a year. Prices in the shops are more than doubling every week and Christopher Dell, the American ambassador, predicts that by the end of the year inflation could hit 1.5m%.

I’m with LC & IB Bill here.

Obviously, I can’t speak for Britain or what she decides to do, but if you were asking me, Pius, I’d tell you to go pound some Marxist sand.

Where were you when you were all googoo eyed over Bobby Mugabe and his ZANU thugs? Where were you when he stormed into dictatorship with the support of the people? Where were you when his North Korea-trained goons were committing genocide in Matabeleland? Where were you when his “veterans” were massacring farm owners in their beds, living rooms and bathtubs, stealing their properties for themselves and Bobby Mugabe, destroying the agriculture of your country and crippling the economy?

So now, after decades of supporting a simple-minded Marxist dog promising “power to the people” while delivering nothing other than what his ilk have ALWAYS delivered, namely death, famine, suffering, disease and poverty, now that your hero has turned out to be the monster that anybody with the brains of a slug knew that he would turn out to be, now you want somebody else to rush in and save you from your own mistakes?

Now, after the monster that you created and you continued to enable is swimming in a sea of the blood of innocents you expect somebody else to come in and make it all better and hand it all back for you to screw up again?

Guess what? You wanted something for nothing and you got exactly what you paid for.

Now enjoy the fruits of your “labor.”

61 Responses to “And While We’re On The Subject Of Communism”
  1. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Where’s that goat when ya need him?

  2. Trooper THX1138 Comment by Trooper THX1138

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    And this demonstrates why an archbishop’s only role in politics should be to remind the faithful what the Church actually teaches, instead of taking sides. Had Pius Ncube shut his flytrap and reminded himself that so-called “liberation theology” is morally bankrupt, Mugabe might have never come to power.

    Sadly, many of our bishops have not learned this lesson, Roger Mahoney of Los Angeles for one.

    We need to remind our pastors to leave politics alone and stick to faith and morals. While yes, the two do sometimes intersect, as in the abortion debate, it is not the norm. The most orthodox Catholic Churches I’ve been to rarely speak on political matters. They also tend to be the most crowded and lively. The inverse also holds true.

  3. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I understand your sentiment Sire, but I’m not sure that I could stand by and let all these people die, regardless of whether they supported Mugabe or not.

    I would personally pull the trigger myself on every thug who ever held a position of authority in Zimbabwe, but the idea of letting his victims suffer just doesn’t sit well with me.

    It is such a shame though. When Zimbabwe was Rhodesia it was Africa’s bread basket. Now it’s devastated by famine. It does show the Utopia of Communism in all it’s ugly glory.

  4. Rurik Comment by Rurik

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    What!! This is a trick. You can’t invade Zimbabababwe and overthrow Mugabababwe without shooting a few Black people. And you just know once you do that, then you become a racist colonialist, no matter how good the cause.
    Remember - Africa for the Africans!
    Used to be a really popular slogan.
    Now let’s keep in mind, England for the English.

  5. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I understand your sentiment Sire, but I’m not sure that I could stand by and let all these people die, regardless of whether they supported Mugabe or not.

    I would personally pull the trigger myself on every thug who ever held a position of authority in Zimbabwe, but the idea of letting his victims suffer just doesn’t sit well with me.

    I’d enjoy the heck out of it myself too, but you know it would never work. The moment somebody even tried, the MSM and every leftist shitbrain academic and politician would be screaming to high heavens about “imperialism”, whoever happened to be in charge would get cold feet and tie the hands and feet of the troops behind their backs in order to appease the editorial writers of the New Marx Times, everything would simmer down and turn into a bloody stalemate and should, by some miracle, the powers-that-be look the other way for long enough for the troops to put an end to the tyrants and his thugs, the whole kit and kaboodle would be instantly turned back over to the nimrods that fucked the place up to begin with.

    Now, on the other hand, were somebody to suggest funding, advising and equipping an indigenous insurgency, I’d be all ears. It would only work until the aforementioned pulpbrains in the West got wind of it, of course, but it would stand a much better chance of actually achieving something.

    AND it would require the locals to actually get their heads out of their arses and clean up the farkin’ mess they themselves created.

  6. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    You’d think by now people would understand that communism and socialism lead to poverty etc. it always happens that way. What was that thing about doing something over and expecting the same result?
    “People are MORONS, MORINS MORONS MORONS” -Pearls b4 Swine
    “only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and im not sure about the universe.” -Einstein

  7. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    WHAT!!!!!!!!!! Where’d my cool smiley go?? anyway, bottoms up! insert
    another

    [It suffered from a shortage of quote marks, Poindexter ;) Anyway, it’s been fixed — Emp.M]

  8. Unregistered Comment by crazylegs

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    “White” nations such as the US and most of Europe have thier hands politically tied on this one. The locals have made thier opinions of ‘us’ well known. If I was paranoid, I might call this trend, ’stereotyping’ or ‘racist’ but its perpetuated against largely white people, so it can’t be any of those things, right?

    Aren’t there any nearby African nations that could do some buttkicking? I hear the South Africans are decent. Maybe with a little fiscal and firepower support, they could lead a charge in. We provide the logistics and cheerleading, they do the actual trigger pulling.

  9. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crazylegs
    Isn’t South Africa known for providing high quality mercenaries?

  10. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    So this jerk is demanding that Britain do the same thing that all of Europe has been shitting their panties for 6 years for what we did in Iraq.

    Brilliant..f*cking brilliant.

  11. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Merc

    You’d think by now people would understand that communism and socialism lead to poverty etc. it always happens that way

    No, it always happens that way ONLY because the wrong people have been in charge. Hillary and Bill will bring us the socialist utopia the left has always dreamed about!

    /removes tinfoil hat and trots off to bed

  12. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    Emperor, you probably read this before, but an essay by the Imperial Firearms Advisor seems apropos of this story:

    Let Africa Sink.

  13. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Pius’ call for intervention by Britain is a well-crafted lose-lose: Intervention is imperialism while failure to act is racism as it was with Rwanda.

    Aren’t there any nearby African nations that could do some buttkicking? I hear the South Africans are decent. Maybe with a little fiscal and firepower support, they could lead a charge in. We provide the logistics and cheerleading, they do the actual trigger pulling.

    Don’t hold your breath. South Africa is at best a decade or so behind Zimbabwe in terms of Marxist “transformation.” (It did, after all, take a bit longer for Mandela and the ANC to rise to power.)

    At least we can look to the UN for comic relief, however unintentional.

  14. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Emperor, you probably read this before, but an essay by the Imperial Firearms Advisor seems apropos of this story:

    Let Africa Sink.

    Oh I have, and several times too, but it bears repeating, so thank you for doing so.

    It is an extremely well-written and well-argued essay written by somebody who actually knows a thing or two about Africa, to put it mildly. So to those of you who haven’t read it already, go forth and enjoy. You won’t regret it.

  15. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Pius’ call for intervention by Britain is a well-crafted lose-lose: Intervention is imperialism while failure to act is racism as it was with Rwanda.

    Nailed that one right on the head, LC Moriarty!

  16. terry smyth Comment by terry smyth

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    pc The south africans are noted for white mercenaries. They dont have any BLACK mercenaries. The current govt in SA are giving the zimbabwe gvt the benefit of the doubt as they are all black or african and african gfvts cannot do anything wrong as they have been ” led in the wrong direction by the white colonialists”
    Shit, this was 50 years ago, today its all about tribalism and giving the small bloke the shaft and looking after your family and tribe.
    Never mind. The (african) black tribal leader in zimbabwe has it all,in hand. Who gives a whatever if inflation is 1 million percent” we need to reduce the population by several million”. Genocide by another means and or course the united never-do-anything-unless-its-criticise-Israel (UN) will do nothing cause zimbabqwe is part of the UN’s commitee on racial discrimination. God help us all.
    The other thing is: shooting and removing all the WHITE FARMERS and killing their workers and confiscation of their farms has led Zimbabwe to the point where, from a position of the breadbasket of
    afisca they are starving millions. Britian cannot help they are overcommitted the US likewise so its up to the black african nations. Turn the lights off now.
    Notning to see here move on. Just a few black africans starving. so what. Nothing to see here Move on.
    Tragic. ASt least the Chinese are there pumpinmg stuff into the country so they can extract everything they need. at no cost to them either.
    Move on, nothing to see here

  17. Unregistered Comment by Verybigstick

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    Three words: White land grab

    This communist fag got exactly what he deserved and all the greedy shits who kicked out the white man got what they deserved also. Screw sending them help. Send them copies of Orwell’s Animal Farm in whatever afrotrash languages they speak. No more white blood should be spilled in a country that hates whites. Mr Jones left the Manor Farm by force a long time ago and the animals have to fend for themselves.

    VBS

  18. Unregistered Comment by crazylegs

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    Wow, I knew this was a bad situation, but psycho chick really put the squeeze on it. (Considering the name, I have to ask, did I date you once?)

    We can’t just send in troops to pound sand, because that would be crass imperialism at the worst, and an unprovoked war in the least.

    We can’t just sit on the sidelines and watch the bloodbath because that would a total disregard for human suffering in the worst, and passive racism in the least.

    But along with those damned-if-you-do options, that if we should make the move to ask African nations about thier opinion on the matter, and offer aid or at least tacit encouragement to stop the bloodshed should any of them feel so inclined to do so, then that just happens to be “Buying mercenaries”? WTF?

    Alright bitch, come up with a solution and provide it. What would you do? You want to call me stupid, fine. But offer a solution, a suggestion, or go home.

  19. Unregistered Comment by cave_bear

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    While I’d not read Mr. du Toit’s essay, I’d pretty much already heard about all of the things he relates about Africa. It is indeed a hopeless cause, and not worth one drop of Western blood.

    People still whine about Rwanda and why no one did anything about wholesale killing that went on there a few years ago. What the powers-that-be are not disposed to talk about, for fear of the usual leftwing suspects calling them “racists” and other such non sequiturs is that if the West had intervened, it would have been a colossal waste of time. If you helped the Hutus, you’d have had the Tutsis on your back. Help the Tutsis, the Hutus would have been on you. Help either group singly or together, either would most likely have turned on you like a rabid dog no matter what.

    The same applies for pretty much anywhere in Africa. Why? Because to get right down to it, without notable exception the inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa are primitive savages, literally only a couple of hundred years out of the Stone Age.

    All they understand is “the tribe”, their tribe, and their favorite pastimes are fucking and killing, and very little else.

    Trying to help these people is a colossal waste of time, money and resources. Oh sure, about now some moonbat will jump up and scream “racist”, blah, blah. To which I would respond, it’s not about race. Race is irrelevant. It’s about CULTURE, such as it is, in Africa. And when you are dealing with a primitive tribalist/animist culture such as exists in Africa, then any sort of aid or assistance is indeed throwing pearls before swine.

    Perhaps in a thousand years or so, the sub-Saharan culture will have evolved to the point to where it is something more bottomless shithole it is now. Until then, du Toit is right, don’t give them anything but guns and seal the place off from the rest of the world. Think of it as evolution in action…

  20. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Because to get right down to it, without notable exception the inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa are primitive savages, literally only a couple of hundred years out of the Stone Age.

    That explains the spread and popularity of Islam out there then….

    As to the whole idea of the Brits liberating Zimbabwe…. you’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

    So, they scream freedom and kick out their former “evil imperialist overlords” and that’s a good thing. Then they kludge up their “government” with Commie ideals and that’s fine too…. Then they scapegoat the white farmers, brutalise and murder them and steal their land, but no-one wants to do shit about it, as it’s an “internal matter” and we all know only White people commit genocide….

    And now they want the same folks they shit on and expelled to save their arses? I could almost exhibit surprise, but these people are so far gone mentally nothing is really unexpected now. Cordon them off and let them reap what they fucking sow.

  21. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    Three words: White land grab

    This communist fag got exactly what he deserved and all the greedy shits who kicked out the white man got what they deserved also. Screw sending them help. Send them copies of Orwell’s Animal Farm in whatever afrotrash languages they speak. No more white blood should be spilled in a country that hates whites. Mr Jones left the Manor Farm by force a long time ago and the animals have to fend for themselves.

    VBS

    Why does this guy remind me of 88?

  22. Unregistered Comment by LC TGregg

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    There’s only one thing to say:

    FOAD.

  23. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    psychochick:
    crazylegs
    Isn’t South Africa known for providing high quality mercenaries?

    Being a mercenary is now a jailable offense in SA … the broke up the last operating unit last decade.

    Besides … the communists running SA think that Zimbabwe’s racial land-grab laws are something worth emulating, and have said so. SA will probably go the same route as Zim … they might get there a bit more slowly … and if push comes to shove, the Boers are much less reticent about going guerilla and killing people than the Rhodesian settlers were.

  24. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Alright bitch, come up with a solution and provide it. What would you do? You want to call me stupid, fine. But offer a solution, a suggestion, or go home.

    No one here is calling you stupid. There are simply some problems that cannot be solved. From “Let Africa Sink”:

    Trust me on this: there is not one thing that Africa can give the West which hasn’t been tried before and failed, not one thing that isn’t a step backwards, and not one thing which is worse than, or that contradicts, what we have already.

    (… and before anyone accuses Kim of being a racist misanthrope, I’d point out that he also spent time in a S. African jail for opposing apartheid.)

  25. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Ah. In my haste to get to work today, I forgot to make my point. In reading that passage from Kim, bear in mind that the converse is also true. Africa has nothing to offer us — and, sadly, we have nothing to offer Africa.

  26. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Why does this guy remind me of 88?

    Now that you mention it, Deathknyte, you have a good point there.

    Listen up, VBS (and anybody else harboring similarly irrational sentiments): It’s not a matter of African nations failing miserably because of the tone of their skin. Such a notion is as ignorant as it is offensively racist. Or are you suggesting that white people get stupid by spending an afternoon at the beach, working on their tans? Not to mention that the suggestion that blacks are somewhat “inferior” by nature fails to explain people such as Dr. King, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice (whose politics I abhor, but there’s no denying that she’s both smart and successful) etc. etc. etc.

    It isn’t a matter of race, it’s a matter of CULTURE. The Iranians are more “Aryan” than you are, VBS (look it up, it’s true. Where do you think the Aryans came from?), but that doesn’t seem to have turned them into the most successful, richest, most technologically advanced nation on Earth, now does it?

    I know it’s awfully easy to look at a dismal, miserable failure like the African continent and conclude that, since the vast majority of them are black, they must be an inferior race. It’s awfully easy, but that doesn’t make it true. As a matter of fact, ofttimes the obvious ease with which you can jump to a conclusion is a hint that you may not have considered all the factors. Sure, solutions to problems and answers to questions are usually simple, but reaching the point where you can see them is, quite often, NOT.

    You’re as free as everybody else here to believe whatever you want, but that doesn’t make you right and, to put it mildly, you’re about as far from right as you can be on this issue.

    Oh how I wish that we could one day live in a world where nobody gave a good shit what people looked like and, instead, devoted their entire attention to what they behaved like.

    You weren’t the only one having that dream, Dr. King, and hopefully one day we’ll turn it into reality once we get people to quit paying attention to inconsequential shit.

  27. Unregistered Comment by ErikZ

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    “What I wish is that there could be some sort of day by day record of this ongoing commie holocaust, that we could broadcast and rebroadcast in every nation and for every group that persists in advocating communism.”

    When I bring this up, their answer is to dismiss places like Zimbabwe. They say “Oh, they just didn’t do it the right way.”

    How can you argue with that?

  28. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Well put Sire:

    It isn’t a matter of race, it’s a matter of CULTURE.

    With said culture providing the womb for socialist/communist sentiments, with ample opportunity for a power grab by any tin-pot dictator willing to spill the blood of his own people, play the race-card at each and every opportunity to obtain power. Factor in religious discord (see: Janjaweed) and you have the perfect storm for catastrophic results.

    Guess what? You wanted something for nothing and you got exactly what you paid for.

    ‘Nuff said.

  29. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    it’s a matter of CULTURE.

    And as everyone knows every culture is as worthy as every other culture. . . NOT!

    I’m never in favor of just giving someone something, unless it’s advice. The old adage, give a man a fish, you’ve fed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you’ve fed him for a lifetime applies.

    We don’t owe anyone in Africa anything. Not even the apology Slick Willy gave. One the other hand it wouldn’t hurt to give constructive criticism and advice to help. It costs a lot less than bailing them out of the hole they dug themselves.

  30. HarleyRace (I feel Pretty!!!!) Comment by HarleyRace (I feel Pretty!!!!)

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    No matter how much y’all so desperitily want it - you’ll never denegrofy the entire world.

    EMBRACE DIVERSITY!

  31. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    No matter how much y’all so desperitily want it - you’ll never denegrofy the entire world.

    This is about some communist idiots using race and past imperialism as an excuse for causing their own country to circle the bowl.

    No sane person wants to “denegrofy the entire world”.

  32. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Is it just me, or does anyone else believe that the worst thing to ever happen to Rhodesia was for the Brits to leave them to their own devices?

    Much as I hate to see what is happening, and the death and suffering of the innocents, these people complaining are the one’s who put Robert Mugabi in power. Sometimes, stupidity sneaks back in to bite you in the ass with BIG farkin’ teeth.

    I suspect that this will be, at best, a lesson. If anyone pays attention.

  33. Unregistered Comment by mag5435

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    Was Africa better off when it was colonized? It seems like it is always a mess. I agree I think it is their culture that is the basis of their misery. It is no one elses fault.
    It peeves me to no end when I see entertainers like Bono and Jolie telling the world we should give more money to Africa. Bono who houses his money in tax shelters and pays a first class plane ticket to have his HAT sent to him across the ocean. And Jolie travels all over visiting the poor and stays in palaces and top notch hotels. And they are telling us how to give and feel. What phonies.
    You can only help Africa so much, the rest has to come from themselves.

  34. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    denegrofy

    My, that’s a big word.. Irrelevant, but so,, worldly.
    We should tremble in the presence of such a high-minded lexicon.

  35. Unregistered Comment by LC TGregg

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    This makes me think that we need to start a cult where the way to Nirvana is to kill yourself in the most entertaing fashion available while being videotaped. Maybe then we can remove the weak DNA that leads people to adopt communism in the face of so many failures and so much success of capitialism.

  36. Rurik Comment by Rurik

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    Mr. HarleyRacist,

    Let me share with you some wisdom I heard long ago:
    “Everybody likes a piece of ass, but nobody likes a smart ass.”

  37. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    mag5435:

    Was Africa better off when it was colonized? It seems like it is always a mess. I agree I think it is their culture that is the basis of their misery. It is no one elses fault.

    Unquestioningly, it was a more peaceful and orderly place. Forty to fifty years ago, the Brits, Dutch and Belgans ran most of the southern part of the area, with a *spit* fwench *spit* presence in the North. After the various “colonies” won or were given their independence, the current state of affairs befell the people of Africa. Even Algeria was better off under *spit* fwench *spit* rule, which is amazing, considering how much they screwed up southeast asia.

    They were awarded their freedom, and didn’t know what to do with it. Communists, socialists and other totalitarians moved into the vacuume. Since 1965, Africa has gone to hell in a handbasket.

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    [Come back when you can post a little more coherently, buttmunch.  -The Management™]

  39. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Rurik

    “Everybody likes a piece of ass, but nobody likes a smart dumb ass.”

    There, fixed it for ya!

  40. Texas84 Comment by Texas84

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    Failing crops? What, no Brondo in Africa?

  41. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Come back when you can post a little more coherently, buttmunch. -The Management™

    Why do the words “Hell” and “Frozen” seem to come together in my mind when I read this?

  42. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    No matter how much y’all so desperitily want it - you’ll never denegrofy the entire world.

    Do you own a dictionary? It’s “desperately”, and “denegrate”.

  43. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crazylegs
    You probably won’t see this, but I wasn’t at all calling you stupid and don’t think that your comments were stupid. You were talking about help from South Africa, and I made a joke about mercenaries (didn’t realize they weren’t allowed any more). It wasn’t meant to denigrate your views. I’m sorry if you took it that way.

    I have nothing useful to contribute–have no idea what would be the best thing to do.

    I haven’t dated for 18 years, so I am probably not the psycho chick you dated.

    Texas84
    What is brondo?

  44. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    [Come back when you can post a little more coherently, buttmunch. -The Management™]

    Lost cause there, m’friend.

  45. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    LittleRott84, I believe our most recent Resident Idiot™, aka HarleyTailpipeSucker, meant “de-negro-fy“… As in “get rid of all the poor, oppressed black folk“. I can understand you misinterpreting his idiocy, though. It’s pretty difficult to bring one’s mind down to that level of Kosmic Stoopidity. I keep a 3 pound sledge hammer handy, right next to the computer, for those times when I have to attempt to transliterate something from The Helmet-wearing Waders in the Shallow End of the Human Semen Pool™, aka The Drooling Ungulates™.

  46. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Er, denigrate.
    :::slaps self upside head:::

  47. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Thanks for clearing that up, BC.

  48. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Embrace diversity? I do, got four different guns, no two exactly the same……As for Africa…what communism doesn’t kill off AIDS will…a lost cause.

  49. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    Message from the left: COMMUNISM has ONLY killed about 100 million people, let’s talk about it and give it another chance, you guuuys, OK? My message: FUCK ‘em, let ‘em reap what they’ve sown! They’ve shit in their nests, and now they have to lie in it, I’m just curious as to how soon the leftylackeys will be demanding that WE deploy over there to wipe their asses for them??

  50. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    IRR, that figure is undoubtedly almost up to 200,000,000 by now, if not higher. It was 180,000,000+ at the time that this scholarly work was published.

  51. TheCount Comment by TheCount

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    BC

    Rummel has written several books on “Democide” and is big in Libertarian circles. I am glad you linked to some of his work, especially, when it comes to the atrocities committed in the 20th by Commies/Socialists/Fascists/and other totalitarian swine,(and they are not done yet).

    Now enjoy the fruits of your “labor.”

    That is right Misha, could not have said it better. Zimbabweans will share in their misery EQUALLY. Communism just seems like a turd that just will not flush.

  52. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Count
    It seemed like a really impressive work, and I will peruse it when I have time (Thanks BC).

    However, I was a little disturbed by his term for genocides. “Democide” makes me think of democracy, which sometimes results in the election of people who will commit genocide. However, generally it does not. Do. you know where the term comes from?

  53. HarleyRace (I feel Pretty!!!!) Comment by HarleyRace (I feel Pretty!!!!)

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    psychochick, I need your help! Back me up! The racists are gaining ground and I need you to announce, far and wide, your superior, wisdom!

    Government always rules! And, is, the most awesomely benighted!

  54. TheCount Comment by TheCount

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    PC

    Rummel argues and sums up his work that MORE Democracy is needed to end Democide. Especially, he advocates VERY VERY LIMITED Government. The more power a government has, especially armies and money, the more likely it will commit DEMOCIDE.

    Now DEMO, which comes from the Greek Demos meaning people. Demo Kratia….People Rule or Rule by the people. In Rummel’s case, it is people killed by government sanction or volition of govt. You have to realize, that in history, the more powerful the govt, the more likely it is to commit atrocities. That is ANY GOVERNMENT. It can happen in a Democracy as well. The Rights of the people can be trampled on just as easy in Direct or Representative Democracy, as it can under communism/socialism. Rummel argues that under DEMOCRACY (Representative Democracy)it is far far less likely …statistically.

    If you have not read them yet, read Plato’s Republic and Aristotle’s Politics. Plato argued that Democracy leads to anarchy and Despotism,(the majority will choke the minority and abuse power, hence, why Direct Democracy will never work), thus he chose the republic as the best. Aristotle followed suit, yet he elaborated more on Free Will and Human Nature in Government.

    However, with the Definition of DEMOCIDE, it is the entity of government, the essence of government that kills people not the people themselves that do the killing. Tom Paine’s famous quote: “Government at its best state is a necessary evil, at its worst state, an intolerable one.” Rummel shows that government sanctioned killing is far worse in History than “Open War” (Example: Saddam Hussein gasing thousands of Kurds). Also, other examples are govts during the time of war committing genocide to alleviate future conflict of a minority (take a look at our Indian policies 1815-1895). Another Example of a Democracy killing …The Terror during the French Revolution. Thousands were executed at the Guillotine. Also, take a look at the Irish at the hands of Oliver Cromwell after the English Civil War. The “Great Lord Protector” slaughtered thousands of Irish. Also, it does not have to be a form of “genocide” to qualify as Democide. Look again at Ireland during the great potato famine. England for about 200 years earlier started passing laws to “penalize” the predominantly Catholic Irish (See Popery Laws and Poor Laws of England). However, a blight or disease on the potato itself was to blame for the loss of crops, however, historians argue that the laws put in place made the Irish grow crops in small confined areas which spread the blight, causing hundreds of thousands to die from lack of their staple food source.

    PC, I can go on and on. However, Democide is not defined from Democracy. Rather, it is a form of Genocide that is a direct result from government volition. It does not focus on ethnicity, race, gender or other discrimination. It can be their own loyal citizenry that is involved in the slaughter (See soviet massacres of their own under Lenin, Stalin and the Chinese massacres under Mao and Kim Il-Sung of N.Korea, Pol Pot of Cambodia, Castro’s Cuba,Idi Amin in Uganda, Ayatollah of Iran, etc.,). So, it is not about Democracy per se; it is about absolute power corrupting absolutely…it is about the apex of governments abusing their power and resulting in killing their own and others in the process of them amassing power.

  55. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Harley
    This thread is disturbing because of the subject matter, but I really don’t think it’s generally racist. It’s actually more anti-Communist. It’s a cold-blooded analysis of a difficult situation. The people happen to be black in this case, but I’m not sure the response would be all that different if they were white.
    ————-
    I don’t like to be rude, but your comment about “awesomely benighted” government doesn’t make sense to me

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    The Count
    Wow! Thank you very much. I have saved a copy of your post for my edification. I knew about some of the massacres under democratic governments, but definitely not all. Someday I’ll do your recommended reading. I should just bag science and go into political science/history. I should also read your post more carefully when it’s not 1:30 AM.

    By the way, my training was in plant pathology, so I learned quite a lot about the potato blight fungus. Just think–the Irish were the evil immigrants at one time, and now it’s cool to be Irish.

  57. TheCount Comment by TheCount

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    Government always rules!

    Spoken like a true Statist!

    And, is, the most awesomely benighted!

    Benighted: adj. 1. to befall in darkness, overshadow 2. intellectually and morally empty; unenlightened.

    This is either a slap at government in general (if it is the case, I would agree and say government IS the most Unenlightened pile of crap on Earth) or this is a Huge Oxymoron, spoken by someone who is truly BENIGHTED. Which compounds your careening train of thought from post #30:

    No matter how much y’all so desperitily want it - you’ll never denegrofy the entire world.

    EMBRACE DIVERSITY!

    Diversity, in as much, as your personal definition of Diversity goes. We are the most Diverse Nation on the Planet, what is your bitch? Also, your element to the debate of decrying Racism is also a logical fallacy and setting up a false dichotomy in which A=B, B=C, C=D so, therefore, A=D or A=Ea. Zimbabwe is predominantly Black, Zimbabwe is in chaos, Zimbabweans who are black, are communist, so therefore, if the you say the chaos is caused by Communists in Zimbabwe then you must be racist because they are black.

    Harley you truly are Benighted!

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    Just think–the Irish were the evil immigrants at one time, and now it’s cool to be Irish.

    Yes, the Irish were immigrants. However, remember the Irish never wanted businesses to require menus and catalogs written Gaelic. They assimilated into AMERICANS. It was not until the late 20th and this century that there has been a Politically Correct push to put former country of origin in front of AMERICAN, like German-American, Scottish-American, Irish-American, Italian-American, etc. Or for the Black Americans…they put a whole continent in front of their names… African-American. What about blacks from Europe or Australia…would it be Australio-Aboriginal-African American????? Or can a white person from Africa that emigrates to America and becomes a citizen be classified as African American…Political Correctness is full of shit.

    Sorry for the long Diatribe, I digress. As you know, I have nothing against Immigrants. It is the Illegal part. Things are a lot different since 1750-1920 (And it has nothing to do with little brown people). For me, it has to do with the inefficiency of government and subverting equal protection under the law (and to qualify, one has to be a citizen otherwise why pay taxes, etc., however, that is a whole other argument).

  59. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    The Count
    I have very liitle blood and am quite weak. Are you the type of count that might have had something to do with that? :)

  60. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    Democide is why we right-wing kooks really do fear the government.

    Insane and evil State acts against their own citizens have killed more folks than war and plagues combined.

    An occasional negligent shooting in an armed population is absolutely nothing compared to the carnage an unchecked State can inflict on a disarmed citizenry.

  61. Nanashi Comment by Nanashi

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    Spoken like a true Statist!

    Hell, spoken like a white moonbat trying to obfuscate his racism.

    The minority communities of America would ask that you kindly stop riding their backs to assuage your wealthy white boy guilt, kthx.