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Since the liberal MSM’s latest attempt to smear Fred! by claiming that he used to be a pro-abortion lobbyist (no point in trying to link, since the original L.A. Times smear has been post-edited so many times by now that it bears almost no resemblance to the original) misfired, the fighting nutroots are digging ever deeper to come up with something, anything that might possibly stick to a candidate that they obviously fear more than Milton Friedman himself.

So what’s up now? Well, clearly, Fred! is gay! Yep, he’s a bona fide faggotty cocksnorkler, at least if you’re to believe St Andrew of the Holy Heartache:

Outside the extremist, activist base, regular GOP voters turn out to be relatively tolerant when it comes to sexual minorities and private sex lives. They’re not well represented by their party leaders, as far as policy is concerned. This is good news for Fred Thompson. The man has had a colorful and wide-ranging sex life, as I’m sure we will soon find out. [Emphases ours — Emp. M.]


Andrew Sullivan, Senior Editor of “The Atlantic Monthly”, pondering his latest, thoughtful missive

(That would be the same “Atlantic Monthly” that fired Mark Steyn, by the way. Presumably because he wasn’t insane enough for the pages of that “classy” publication).

This ties in nicely with Glenn “Sock Puppet” Greenwald’s theory about conservatives and their sexual preferences, as LC & IB Ace notes:

Glenn Greenwald: I’ve written a fair amount recently about the media’s obsession with the faux-masculinity of GOP candidates in general, and the tough-guy military persona of Fred Thompson in particular, and don’t have all that much to add about that specific topic at the moment.

Those damned “faux-masculine” closeted conservative faggots.

Funny how gay smears are perfectly OK when they’re made by bona fide cock-milkers, isn’t it? Yet let Ann Coulter as much as think about using the “f”-word (the other one), and you have a perfect outrage storm.

But back to Andrew Sullivan, Senior Editor of the “classy, serious” publication, “The Atlantic Monthly.” We’re sure you’d all like to get to know him better, so here’s a little something about himself, in his own words, that LC & IB Ace dug up:

TOP VERSATILE BOTTOM [i.e., he’s both a top and bottom, he takes and gives]
I take loads in my ass.
I take loads in my mouth.
I give loads in asses.
I give loads in mouths.

I’m interested in bi scenes.

MY STATS
8 percent body-fat; squatting 8 plates; killer muscle ass that loves to milk loads with my power glutes;

Damn, those company Christmas parties at “The Atlantic Monthly” must be — interesting…

67 Responses to “Fear the Fred! Update”
  1. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Andrew Sullivan, another reason AIDS makes me laugh…..

    hOOt

  2. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    Fred! is gay!

    His point being?

    The man has had a colorful and wide-ranging sex life, as I’m sure we will soon find out.

    Sure sure, right after we have world peace and all the muslims give up terrorism as a way of life.

    Frankly, his sex life is none of our buisness unless he insists on telling us about it.

    squatting 8 plates

    Would that be dinner plates? Or is this something else I don’t want to know.

  3. Unregistered Comment by jkaiseresquire

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    Have they seen Thompson’s wife?

    http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13931/smelly-journalism-dept-fred-thompsons-wife/

    She is certifiably gorgeous.

    BTW is that really a personal ad posted by Andrew Sullivan? Nasty!

    J. Kaiser
    http://totaltransformation.wordpress.com

  4. Vergeltung Comment by Vergeltung

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    Interesting re Mark Steyn. I did not know he was employed by Atlantic. I have read his stuff in National Review and The New York Sun (subscribe to both), and I have always found him to be an excellent, dead-on accurate writer.

    Wonder why they let him go.

  5. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    […]
    the fighting nutroots are digging ever deeper to come up with something, anything that might possibly stick to a candidate that they obviously fear more than Milton Friedman himself.

    Welcome to the political hunting season. There is no limit, no license required.

    You act as if Fred! is off limits, after you guys have gone after each and every democrat who even thought of running.

    Remember, your love-goddess Ann Coulter has already labeled Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and numerous other Dems as being “gay”.

    […]
    another reason AIDS makes me laugh…..

    You actually ARE a twisted and narcissistic little idiot-stick, aren’t you?

  6. Dick Comment by Dick

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    1. Glad you’re still alive. I was starting to wonder.
    2. This means the Libs have absolutely nothing on Fred.
    3. Andrew, if you happen to read this, please go fuck yourself. And I do mean that in a good Christian way.

  7. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    You act as if Fred! is off limits,…

    Sounded to me more like mocking the nutroots for going into panic mode over someone before he even announces. Of course they’re going to start looking into what kind of dirt they can fling, but with the kind of quotes Misha provided, it certainly appears that they are working themselves to a frothing fever way too soon.

    And, for the innumerableth time, Coulter did NOT call Edwards gay, she was making an observation about what Liberals allow the Left to say with impunity compared to what they howl about when said by someone on the Right.

    The statement would have fallen completely flat if he didn’t look and act the part, though.

  8. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    You act as if Fred! is off limits

    Deej…are you always this oblivious or is today a special day?

    Apparently the point of this post went right over your pointy head and splatted on the wall.

    Fred! is not off limits. If he can’t take care of himself then he shouldn’t be thinking of running. The point is how dumbf*ck pantywaist Sullivan is obviously rooting around in the mud like a possum after grubs trying to find something or get something started to torpedo someone that he sees as a threat.

    The man has had a colorful and wide-ranging sex life, as I’m sure we will soon find out.

    He makes a statement which begins with stating an assumed fact…then turns right around and says he hopes that it turns out to be true. Cranial Rectal Impaction Syndrome it its latter stages no doubt.
    Sounds like Tinkerbell is just creaming his panties praying that someone spills the beans on Fred!’s bedroom activities.

    But hey, according to Liberals…it’s all just about sex right?

    Remember, your love-goddess Ann Coulter has already labeled Al Gore, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and numerous other Dems as being “gay”.

    I couldn’t care less if they are or not…I wouldn’t f*ck any of them with Paris Hilton’s twat.

  9. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    1. Glad you’re still alive. I was starting to wonder.

    This server has been under excessive load averages for the past couple of days. At least one of the other 749 accounts housed on this server must be running IRC crap or very badly written scripts.

    This wouldn’t happen on MY service

  10. dcs2244 Comment by dcs2244

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    I couldn’t care less if they are or not…I wouldn’t f*ck any of them with Paris Hilton’s twat.

    Mrs. M, I haven’t read a post summation better than that, ever!

  11. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    but with the kind of quotes Misha provided, it certainly appears that they are working themselves to a frothing fever way too soon.

    And you guys weren’t slinging crap about Hillary years before she declared?

    And, for the innumerableth time, Coulter did NOT call Edwards gay, she was making an observation about what Liberals allow the Left to say with impunity compared to what they howl about when said by someone on the Right.

    Did you kink yourself trying to get into that contortionous position?

    Did you fail to see where I also mentioned several other people she has accused as well?

    As far as getting away what someone says, the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.

    Deej…are you always this oblivious or is today a special day?

    This wasn’t the first time someone here has mentioned how “scared” the left must be that Fred! (jazz hands, everybody!) might run for president. The “evidence” of course is the different opinion “hit” pieces published about Fred! (Jazz hands, Everybody!)

    Scared? I’m not. Fred! doesn’t stand a chance in a national election, even if he is the best Republicans can offer.

    Republicans are through for now. THIS administration will be the millstone around any Republican candidate’s neck in 2008. This is why you are seeing Republican candidates jumping ship (the ones you call RINOs) in greater numbers right now. Their only hope for re-election is to distance themselves from the Party of Bush.

    I couldn’t care less if they are or not…I wouldn’t f*ck any of them with Paris Hilton’s twat.

    Ewwwww.

  12. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    I couldn’t care less if they are or not…I wouldn’t f*ck any of them with Paris Hilton’s twat.

    That is a certifiable toxic waste dump.

  13. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    You might note that there is no attribution for that purported list of sexual desires of Andrew Sullivan–love those random blogs. (Or am I offending a friend of the blogger?)

    Mrs. M
    Thanks for the care package advice–huge help. They are going to call me tonight about the program. I put down this blog site as being how I heard of their program, but maybe that wasn’t such a good idea.

    I think you skipped over the point about a large number of Democrats having their sexual preferences slimed by the Right. Lots of sliming of Edwards here, too. It’s not whether you care about their preferences–I think it’s great that you don’t, actually. However, the point is that they were all slimed by the right. Now, there is great indignity about the sliming of Fred. I don’t like anybody sliming, but I don’t see why sliming Fred is so outrageous. I think he’s the Republican candidate to take seriously, and that makes him a target. Par for the course in this day and age (UNFORTUNATELY!). If he were gay, it wouldn’t affect my perception of his skills for holding office. But then I’m not the target audience.

    Could you explain the thing about liberals being all about sex? don’t quite get that one. In general, I could care less about who used the services of the DC Madam. However, when it’s a religious right political figure like Vitter, it’s of great interest to me. Not because he’s a Christian per se, but that people of that ilk are so judgemental about other people’s sex lives. I guess it was years ago. His current wife had said that she was a Lorena Bobbit and not a Hillary–that she would walk away with one thing. But that’s not relevant to his past act(s) (okay, I’m twisted and perverse).

    Of course, Fred is off limits. Remember when DJ mentioned some unsavory cases Fred had handled in the past? Seething outrage! I found it puzzling, because I like to know EVERYTHING about my candidate–good and bad. I don’t remember any debate about how info like that could affect his candidacy.
    —————-
    There was some recent research on candidate’s speeches and brain activity. Speaking of policy issues did not engage people’s brains emotionally, but emotional speeches did. Wonderful–I much prefer the policy issues over demagougery (sp?).
    —————-
    There might be relevant posts I missed while composing–I take an eternity to edit my posts.

  14. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    As far as getting away what someone says, the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.

    And the left is scrupulous about censoring Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Al Franken et al? Puleeze!

    What we need is cloning technology now! A dozen more Anns, a score! Nay! A hundred or a thousand! Then and only then would there anything approaching parity in the outrageous sayings race.

  15. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    PS. I didn’t mean you guys by “religious right.” I was thinking more along Pat Robertson lines. (apologies to the pleasant and nonjudgmental guy on the site who leans that way, I think)

    NevadaDailySteve
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think any of those people has said anything along the lines of how the NYC firefighters 9/11 widows are happy their husbands are dead because they got the settlement money.

  16. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    bold is accidental! not shouting

  17. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    PC– I liked Edwards personally (ill wife, small children) until he lagged on firing bloggers who disparaged Christianity. As far as Pat Robertson, I have never liked this dude, his theology is screwed, he has said prophetic things that were untrue and sent people like my grandparents into tizzies in the early 80’s and has called for political assinations.

  18. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    I think St. Andy of the handwringers is angling for a close encounter with Fred!’s boot.

    This kind of crap is why I didn’t get into politics when I had the chance. My wife and kids don’t need this kind of speculation masquerading as reporting.

    BTW. The best turnaround of an attempted sex-scandal? Grover Cleveland. Google it.

  19. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    I would say that Bill Clinton is more homosexually oriented than Fred(!) Just because I think he’d screw any hole…

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  21. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    DJ:

    And you guys weren’t slinging crap about Hillary years before she declared?

    When the Hildabeast declared herself co-president, she became fair game, imo.

  22. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    As far as getting away what someone says, the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.

    I can see that someone doesn’t understand the concept of free speech.

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    Great! Maybe Fred can carry California now. Seriously though, if people in the media are already digging this deep to find make up dirt on him, it means they are scared of him. If they are scared of him, he’s a contender.

  24. Tsubaki Shijuro (formerly Fuzzhead) Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro (formerly Fuzzhead)

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    >And you guys weren’t slinging crap about Hillary years before she declared?

    Hillary Clinton is the kind of public personality that absolutely requires the slinging of crap. How could we not sling truckloads of fecal matter at somebody that is that cartoonish? She’s like a parody of a parody of a parody of a lesbian Marxist hippie. (To clarify: I’m not saying that she is a lesbian, just that she’s like a parody of a parody of a parody of one.)

    If people think Bubba Clinton provided an incredible amount of material for comedy bits, they’ll be blown away at the insanity that would ensue from a Shrillary White House.

    If Paris Hilton is worthy of a lifetime of mocking, Hillary Clinton is worthy of an eternity of mocking.

    Plus, John Edwards is gay.

  25. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    please please please……

    can’t we all just get along?

    DJ, let’s accept the fact that your side has mudslingers and our side has mudslingers.

    Your side has helen thomas, eleanor clift, susan estrich….We have Ann Coulter, Linda Chavez, Elizabeth Hasselbeck….

    The only difference is that our mudslingers are FAR better looking than yours.

  26. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Hillary Clinton is worthy of an eternity of mocking.

    Stripped nekkid, thrown on the pool table and raucously gang-rejected!

  27. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Stripped nekkid, thrown on the pool table and raucously gang-rejected!

    A round of BC Bleach™ for everybody!

  28. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    The demos underestimate me….I could care less if Fred was gay. I care about what he feels is right for this nation and what he would do about it…..gay or straight.

  29. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Fred! gay. Edwards not. Got it.

    Glad the lefties cleared that up for me, I was getting a little confused there.

    Deej, Ann Coulter can say what ever she wants, as can Sullivan, that’s why it’s called free speech. However, what I see happening here is Sullivan playing to what he perceives is a universal bias by right wingers. He thinks that by claiming Fred! is gay he can turn off some of the conservatives who are supporting him. Unfortunately for him, unless he can get nationally broadcast coverage of Fred! going down on the Breck Girl herself, every one will see it for the hysteric fear of Fred! that it is.

    BTW, Ann WAS making a point about the use of the word faggot more than calling Edwards one. You know, I always gave you a lot of credit for your intelligence Deej, but apparently I overestimated your comprehension .

  30. Wild-Eyed Charlie Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie

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    If Fred Thompson is gay, the Left will have to vote for him or risk being called homophobic.

    D’OH! Bet they didn’t think of THAT, did they?

    And…

    I couldn’t care less if they are or not…I wouldn’t f*ck any of them with Paris Hilton’s twat.

    As much as that thang’s been used and abused, it’d be like sticking a garden hose in the Grand Canyon. Unless somebody sleeved it with a ham and pulled the bone out.

  31. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    To quote Cool Hand Luke:

    “What we have here is a failure to communicate.”

    If you want to see the how the original draft of sullivans article read, enter the URL into this translator and set the dialect to moron.

    If you want to read some REAL funny stuff read the comments here into it, and set the dialect to Jive. Turns Crunchie into a real street talker…sheeeeyit.

  32. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Oh yeah…forgot to mention,
    I picked up a couple of cool Fred! ‘08 campaign buttons at a Fourth of July party last week.

    I just need to find out which side of my baseball cap to wear them on, I don’t want people thinking I’m gay for wearing them on the wrong side…..

  33. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Damn the torpedoes!

    crunchie
    It was one scurillous magazine article about a well respected candidate. It’s really hard to take it seriously, and it’s not really worth much time or energy. I doubt it’s representative of the left. I do think it is reprehensible to spread rumours like that. I really doubt the left will go about shrieking that he is gay (maybe I’m wrong). There will probably be some snide comments. I also think it’s really unreasonable to go on about Edwards being gay (which seems to be a religion and a given over here), unless there is some evidence. I would say that neither is gay unless proven otherwise, and I’m kind of appalled to even be speculating on sex lives that are private. It’s just my opinion, but I’m with Caveman–more important things at stake.

    Spartan
    I think you are right–Edwards should have disowned those bloggers.

    ——–
    For general interest, “The Nation” (intellectual liberal mag–yes it’s possible) did a scathing editorial on Hillary–imperious, arrogant, and tried to take over part of Al Gore’s office in the White House when he was VP. I guess I should find the link.

  34. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    And you guys weren’t slinging crap about Hillary years before she declared?

    Refresh my memory, but didn’t the Klintoons call this a co-presidency? 2 for the price of 1?

    As far as getting away what someone says, the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.

    “the Right”?

    Sorry to break it to you, Dave, but Ann (who is one of my heroines) took a lot of heat from so called members of “the Right” for those comments. People your side calls “the Right”.

    You all get to burn our flag, shove your opinions down our throats as “unbiased journalism” via public funded broadcast units such as PBS and “Public Radio”, and even try to indoctrinate our children to “choices” that we deem inappropriate and immoral, and your side demands that someone such as Ann C. should be silenced?

    Hypocritical trash, the Left is. Came in, under the radar, as being all “free speech”, free this, free that, choice…and all you’ve done is shown yourself to be nothing more than f**king Stalinists. Something else we’ve also noticed on “the Right”. You damn Hitler, and rightly so, but you fail to include Comrade Joe, and even praise him and give him the glory of winning WW2, instead of the bravery, blood, and sacrifice of your fellow Americans.

    You’re the Fifth Column. And you’re repeating history as you did in the Vietnam War. But the “silent majority” ain’t going to be so quiet anymore, and we’re going to call your bullshit.

    We did it with the “Shamnesty Bill”, and we can do it again.

    Never again. Intimidation and name calling will not back us down again. We’re stronger than you think, and as much as you slap us around, we’re going to slap you back even harder.

    You will not take this country down for my child. And I’ll fight it till the day the Lord calls me home.

  35. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    BJ Seys:

    You are a twisted little…….blah, blah, blah…..aren’t you?

    Twisted Yes, Little, No…but you are so freaking easy to draw out….aren’t you Lance?

    hOOt

  36. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC
    As a point of clarification, I don’t think anybody has actually said that Edwards IS in fact in gay. It’s all tongue in cheek jabs at his metro-sexuality, and masculinity, or lack thereof to be more precise. Hell, I know he’s not gay, not for real. But he acts gayer than any straight guy I’ve ever known. Hence the Breck Girl etc. comments. When it comes to actual policy etc, there’s plenty to tear him apart on, and we do. It’s just a lot more fun when we can call him a peter puffer at the same time. He’s just too easy.

  37. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Lady H! Dayum girl, that was beautiful!

  38. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Lady H

    WOOOT!!

    I think you struck ‘em dumb with THAT Cluebat…nicely done

  39. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Jaybear

    My comment #29 set to Jive

    Fred! Right on! gay. Slap mah fro! Edwards not. Man! Gots it. Man! Glad da damn lefties cleared dat down fo’ me, ah’ wuz digtin’ some little confused dere. Deej, Ann Coulta’ can say whut eva’ she wants’s, as kin Sullivan, dat’s why it’s called free speech. Lop some boogie. However, whut ah’ see happenin’ here be Sullivan playin’ t’whut he puh’ceives be a universal bias by right win’ers. He dinks dat by claimin’ Fred! Right on! be gay he kin turn off some uh de conservatives who is suppo’tin’ him. WORD! Unfo’tunately fo’ him, unless he kin dig nashunally broadcast coverage uh Fred! Right on! goin’ waaay down on de Breck Goat herself, every one gots’ta see it fo’ de hysteric fear uh Fred! Right on! dat it is. BTW, Ann WAS makin’ some point about da damn use uh de wo’d faggots mo’e dan callin’ Edwards one. You’s know, ah’ always gave ya’ some lot uh credit fo’ yo’ intelligence Deej, but apparently ah’ overestimated yo’ comprehension .

    That’s some funnyshiite there man. Thanks for the linkie, I’m gonna have some fun with that.

  40. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think any of those people has said anything along the lines of how the NYC firefighters 9/11 widows are happy their husbands are dead because they got the settlement money.

    Neither did Ann. She also didn’t call Edwards gay. As long as the lefties let some super sleeze like Moore say what he will without censure (should have been that in the original post as well) the right should likewise take off the gloves and let our more pugnacious brethren and sisters fire at will.
    The left is far more self-righteous and hypocritical than their worst fantasies of how the right conducts itself.
    I mentioned before about a friend of mine, Brent Mendenhall, who is a Bush look alike. He told me he once met Helen Thomas. She said his resemblance to Bush was extraordinary but his eyes weren’t close enough together to properly express Bush’s evil. The woman is certifiably nutters but to the left she’s Saint Helen of Thomas.

  41. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Even better, Swedish Chef

    Fred! gey. Bork bork bork! Idverds nut. Um de hur de hur de hur. Gut it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Gled zee leffteees cleered thet up fur me-a, I ves getteeng a leettle-a cunffoosed zeere-a. Deej, Unn Cuoolter cun sey vhet ifer she-a vunts, es cun Soolleefun, thet’s vhy it’s celled free-a speech. Hooefer, vhet I see-a heppeneeng here-a is Soolleefun pleyeeng tu vhet he-a perceeefes is a uneefersel beees by reeght veengers. Um gesh dee bork, bork! He-a theenks thet by cleeeming Fred! is gey he-a cun toorn ooffff sume-a ooff zee cunserfeteefes vhu ere-a sooppurteeng heem. Unffurtoonetely fur heem, unless he-a cun get neshunelly bruedcest cuferege-a ooff Fred! gueeng doon oon zee Breck Gurl herselff, ifery oone-a veell see-a it fur zee hystereec feer ooff Fred! thet it is. Um gesh dee bork, bork! BTV, Unn VES mekeeng a pueent ebuoot zee use-a ooff zee vurd feggut mure-a thun celleeng Idverds oone-a. Yuoo knoo, I elveys gefe-a yuoo a lut ooff credeet fur yuoor intelleegence-a Deej, boot epperently I ooferesteemeted yuoor cumprehenseeun .

  42. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    As far as getting away what someone says, the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.

    Two words:

    1) Molly
    2) Ivins.

    Feel free to STFU now.

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    Well done, Spats!

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  45. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    NevadaDailySteve
    I’m sorry–I thought it was a legitimate quote. Mea culpa. By the way, I have never said anything about whether Ann said Edwards was gay.

    I think the right has had it’s gloves off for awhile.

    Actually, it’s probably a lapse on my part, but I only vaguely remember who Helen Thomas is. Okay, some editorials. I don’t think anyone worships her.

    Crunchie
    Thanks–I always take everything way too seriously.

    Lady H
    I guess it depends who you consider left–could be anything from Communists to liberals. By the way, I think that the hard left does not advocate free speech–they want to control everything (way more than censoring Ann). You have to be way hard left to praise Stalin (CP/Socialist Workers Party). Around liberals/light lefties, Stalin is considered an evil mass murderer. I’m 45 and have been a liberal all my life–except for CP-type people, I have never seen anyone praise Stalin. Although you are right–Hitler does get more attention. It’s probably the invading other countries/Holocaust thing/major US involvement. Much of Stalin’s evil was inside the USSR, and I think a lot of people all over the political spectrum don’t realize the full extent of his atrocities.

    If you want to go over liberal commentary on Stalin, he came up on a thread awhile back, and I was asking Rurik about his treatment of the Russian military, not fawning over Stalin.

  46. chuck Comment by chuck

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    PC,
    you talk about Stalin’s evil being inside the USSR. Do you not realive that much of the USSR were independant nations before Uncle Joe and the other hero of lefties, FDR, divied them up at the end of WW2

  47. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Lord Spatula sez, responding to this:
    “the Right has allowed the Succubus Ann to say just about any outrageous thing she wants.”

    Two words:

    1) Molly
    2) Ivins.

    1)Al
    2)Gore

    1)Michael
    2)Moore

    They have plenty of loose cannons on their side Spats, they just choose to destroy anyone who goes counter to their anointed ones….

    or as DJ would say if he was from Da’ Hood:

    Welcome t’de political huntin’ season. ‘S coo’, bro. Dere be no limit, no license required. You’s act as if Fred! Right on! be off limits, afta’ ya’ dudes gots gone afta’ each and every democrat who even dought uh runnin’. Remember, yo’ love-goddess Ann Coulta’ has already labeled Al Go’e, Raz’tus Edwards, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and numerous oda’ Dems as bein’ “gay”.

    Tru Dat!!! (that damned dialectizer is addicting)

  48. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    DJ - haha… HaHa… BWAHAHAHA!!!!

    Did you kink yourself trying to get into that contortionous position?

    Nope. I can be pretty kinky, but I said that one with an absolutely straight face.

    One of the things many people find hilarious about Ann Coulter is the way she can make the Left froth at the mouth by NOT saying things and making them think she DID say them. And, like crunchie, I had given you more credit than to be taken in like that.

    Did you fail to see where I also mentioned several other people she has accused as well?

    I figured you just threw those names in there for show. If you can show me one quote that actually is such an accusation, I’ll be forced to at least reconsider.

  49. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    chuck
    Well, I hate to admit about being ignorant of something I should know, but no! So I guess that’s when they became the USSR? I hope I’m correct in thinking that most of the evil was within those countries. I know they fought to the West and met the Americans, but I thought the atrocities were when he pulled his troops back and sent them to the Gulag. I guess I should go read some more. I think my main point still holds–he wasn’t taking over the world like Hitler was.

    Wait, are you talking about countries like Poland and the Czech one I can’t spell? I know those were turned over to Stalin’s control after WWII.

    I’ll put post-WWII history prominently on my list of things to read.

  50. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    PS. Some of the atrocities-I know he did pogroms and seem to remember mass starvation

  51. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC

    Pogroms, mass starvations, he deported the entire Ukraine post WWII because they had initially welcomed the Germans as liberators, he murdered more than 20 million of his own people (best estimate I can rememebr of the top of my head).

    I think my main point still holds–he wasn’t taking over the world like Hitler was.

    Oh but he was. Pre-WWII he was scared shitless of Hitler, so that tamped down his visions of conquest, but don’t forget that he invaded Poland from the East the same time that Hitler invaded from the West. Post WWII he was contained by the Bomb. FDR gave him eastern Europe over Churchill’s strenuous objections or else the Warsaw Pact ever would have came into being. So he instead fought proxy wars against the west by funding every communist insurgency that he could conjure up, the first being in Greece in I believe 1947 or 48.

    Hitler just had the balls (or ball if you believe the rumors) to do it in a faster and more direct fashion.

  52. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Oh, and he also supported Mao against Chang Kia Shek in China and North Korea’s later invasion of South Korea, all within 5 years of WWII. There are other examples of how Uncle Joe was trying to conquer the world, I’m just to damned tired to think of them right now.

  53. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Jaybear

    I prefer Deej as a redneck

    This hyar wasn’t th’ fust time someone hyar has menshuned how “scared” th’ lef’ muss be thet Fred! Fry mah hide! (jazz han’s, ev’rybody! Fry mah hide!) might helter-skelter fo’ president. Th’ “evidence” of course is th’ diffrunt opinion “hit” pieces published about Fred! Fry mah hide! (Jazz han’s, Ev’rybody! Fry mah hide!) Scared? I’m not. Fred! Fry mah hide! doesn’t stan’ a chance in a nashunal eleckshun, even eff’n he is th’ bess Republicans kin offer. Republicans is through fo’ now. THIS administrashun will be th’ millstone aroun’ enny Republican kindidate’s neck in 2008. This hyar is whuffo’ yer seein’ Republican kindidates jumpin’ ship (th’ ones yo’ call RINOs) in greater numbers right now. Their only hope fo’ re-eleckshun is t’distance themselves fum th’ Party of Bush.

    He sounds less moonbatty that way. ;-)

  54. chuck Comment by chuck

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    Pre-WWII he was scared shitless of Hitler, so that tamped down his visions of conquest

    But even that didn’t stop him completely. He invaded and added the Baltic Republics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Georgia), Belarus, Ukraine, and even made an attempt at Finland. He was just as power mad as Hitler and just as evil. But he was philosophical bed fellows with FDR and even had minions high in FDR’s administration, so he was given a pass. If Hitler would have had the foresight to install his lieutenants as higgh in the US government as Stalin, we would have faced a 50 year stand off with National Socialist Germany instead of Communist Russia.

  55. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Chuck

    I totally forgot about his great Finland caper. Man did Mannstein hand him his ass on that one.

    Excellent point on his agents in the FDR administration. Stalin was at times as cunning as he was ruthless.

    we would have faced a 50 year stand off with National Socialist Germany instead of Communist Russia.

    There was a movie called Fatherland about that scenario, sort of. Basically Operation Overlord at Normandy failed and Germany was mired down in a stagnated guerrilla war in Russia holding onto it’s gains. The plot was about a Gestapo agent who stumbles across evidence of the Holocaust during a murder investigation and smuggles it to the US during a summit meeting. Pretty good movie actually.

  56. chuck Comment by chuck

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    I just love reminding lefties how their hero FDR basically let the USSR set US policy for about a decade and handed him half of Europe as a reward.

  57. chuck Comment by chuck

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    and how differently things would have turned out if it had been Hitler setting US polcy instead of Stalin. Well, not really much difference except who was considered the bad guy in the history books and who controlled half of Europe for the next 50 years. Of course, Hitler wouldn’t have settled so easilly for half.

  58. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    55.

    I totally forgot about his great Finland caper. Man did Mannstein hand him his ass on that one.

    Crunchie
    Did you mean Mannerheim?

  59. Unregistered Comment by leoni2

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    Xystus,

    Did you mean Mannerheim?

    I thought that didn’t look right when I saw General Manstein being called a Finn when he was a German.

  60. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    chuck
    Objecting to be considered a Stalinist makes me a leftie? Isn’t that kind of incongruent? Wouldn’t I want to be a Stalinist if I was leftie? Or was that a general statement not directed at me?

    I’m not arguing with you, but are you sure about the minion thing?

    Being wrong about Stalin wanting to take over the world (and thank you for the history!) does not affect the argument that only the ultra-left are Stalinists.

  61. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    PS. It was not news to me that FDR sold out Eastern Europe. I haven’t accessed the info for years–little slow on the uptake.

    You know, I just don’t go around worshipping FDR–sorry.

  62. chuck Comment by chuck

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    PC,
    other than the first, I didn’t mean for my comments to be directed at you specifically. Just my observations about those who claim to be “progressive” in general.

  63. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Need…..brain…..bleach……BC, hook a brother up!

  64. Tsubaki Shijuro (formerly Fuzzhead) Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro (formerly Fuzzhead)

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    >only the ultra-left are Stalinists

    I think part of the problem is that most on the left, whether ultra or not, don’t realize that the ideology, programs, and attitudes they espouse are very cleanly in line with the stated goals of communism. Especially now, when both major parties have shifted so far to the left (the Republican Party is not a “conservative” party, just the less collectivist party), collectivism has, in a sense, become mainstream. Collectivism crept in and took over.

    What turned out to be a prophetic discussion of how this could happen was published over four decades ago, Ezra Taft Benson’s book The Red Carpet. An Enemy Hath Done This is also good.

    Benson’s essay “The Proper Role of Government” is also very interesting (and wise) reading.

  65. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    I don’t worry about a candidate’s sexual preferences.

    ( Rustlers’ Rhapsody )
    I am a confident heterosexual.
    ( /Rustlers’ Rhapsody )

  66. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Xystus

    Crunchie
    Did you mean Mannerheim?

    Yes I did, and thanks for the correction. Teaches me to try and comment when I’m bone tired and slack jawed stupid. I knew it was Mannerheim, really I did, I was just plain tired and dumb.

  67. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    you talk about Stalin’s evil being inside the USSR. Do you not realive that much of the USSR were independant nations before Uncle Joe and the other hero of lefties, FDR, divied them up at the end of WW2

    Much of the USSR was conqured by the Tsars before WWI. It was called the Russian Empire back then.