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14%!

Can single digits be very far away?

Most U.S. voters think the country is on the wrong track and remain deeply unhappy with President George W. Bush and Congress,

And the Daily Heartless Imperial Comment to those voters positively hating the Most Ethical Congress Evah?:

You asshats voted for them, so, as a consequence, we’re having a really hard time getting the Imperial Sympathy Meter™ to register anything.

Just remember it in ‘08, will you?

No, you won’t. You clowns have the attention span of a horsefly on acid, as we all know only too well, so why don’t you just stay home and watch Oprah instead? Better still, waive your right to vote in perpetuity. It’s not like the majority of you have anything to contribute.

94 Responses to “Most Ethical Congress Evah! Sinks To New Low In Polls”
  1. Unregistered Comment by GUYK

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    Yep. The public has a short memory and the politicians have selected memory loss. But the blog world may be changing both..we can keep reminding the public of what’s happening and by doing so jog their memories and maybe cure the politicians selective memory loss

    Next fall is gonna be interesting

  2. Vergeltung Comment by Vergeltung

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    notice the quote lists the prez 1st, even though his approval is slightly better.

    yep. :|

  3. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Can single digits be very far away?

    Is this about approval ratings or IQ?

  4. 1oldleg Comment by 1oldleg

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    I thought a gnat on crack had a shorter atte…Ooh look! Sparklies!

    Will Rogers once said the American Voter and the American Politician have one thing in common–They deserve each other!

  5. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    98% of the politicians give the honest ones a bad name.

  6. Unregistered Comment by Lupos87

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    One of two things will happen: 1. Power will switch back into the hands of the Reps. due to the many, M.A.N.Y short comings of the Dems congress. 2. The Dems will retain or gain more power because some people believe that it’s the remaining Reps. in congress causing all the problems. Personally, I think the former is true and the Dems will lose congress and the White House again. They’re just behaving faaaar too arrogantly to win. Karma is a bitch after all!

  7. Unregistered Comment by leoni2

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    14% huh? I’m surprised it’s so high!

    And after last night’s stunt and this morning’s failure of the Democratic leadership in the Senate to once again surrender, I’m sure it’ll only go down even more.

    They’re just behaving faaaar too arrogantly to win. Karma is a bitch after all!

    And she’s waiting to strike.

  8. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Karma is a bitch after all

    and her brother Murphy is a pure SOB.

  9. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    notice the quote lists the prez 1st, even though his approval is slightly better.

    Of course. He’s an Evil Republican™, after all, so he has to receive top billing in dissatisfaction polls.

    The hilarious thing is that he’s less Republican than Bill Clinton. Well, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the fact that he was the best we could do.

    Of course, all that this proves is that Congress isn’t socialist enough, right? They’re not eager enough to surrender to the Islamofascists and the voters, moreover, are really really angry that they didn’t manage to pass Shamnesty ‘07.

    That’s the way the MSMidiots will spin it. Trust me on that one.

  10. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Ridiculous. Just f&#*ing ridiculous. And you’re absolutely correct in:

    You asshats voted for them, so, as a consequence, we’re having a really hard time getting the Imperial Sympathy Meter™ to register anything.

    Just remember it in ‘08, will you?

    And:

    Yep. The public has a short memory and the politicians have selected memory loss. But the blog world may be changing both..we can keep reminding the public of what’s happening and by doing so jog their memories and maybe cure the politicians selective memory loss

    Next fall is gonna be interesting

    this one is really good too. Do NOT stop the point by point exhibition of failures!

  11. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Majesty:

    That’s the way the MSMidiots will spin it. Trust me on that one.

    Of course! I see it happening, already. Just a couple of days ago, we were treated to the local news asking if McLame’s precipitous fall in the polls is due to his support for the war! Never mentioning his support for the two least populatr asshat proposals in the history of History (McLame-Foolsgold and Shamesty).

    I say we encourage this shit! MAKE them raise taxes and spend like a drunken sailor! no, that’s an insult all of the inebriated Naval Personnel out there, how about spending like they are spending someone else’s money? Oh, that’s right, they ARE, aren’t they?

    They are busy digging a hole. Give the shitbags a bigger shovel! NEVER interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake!

  12. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    LC Will said:

    I say we encourage this shit! MAKE them raise taxes and spend like a drunken sailor! no, that’s an insult all of the inebriated Naval Personnel out there,

    Having been “a drunken Sailor” on more then one occasion, and still known to flavor my Coke ™ with liberal amounts of rum when the mood strikes, I take exception with your comment. First, while drunk we spent our monies (what little there was) on only the finest swill/adult companionship/entertainment we could find. *Ok… so it was the closest bar to the dock …yer point is???*

    Unlike some liberals, at least (drunk or sober) we were always able to escort our female companions safely back to their place of residence/bar without them ending up in a car which had driven off incorrectly navigated away from a bridge.

    And the only way WE spent “other peoples monies” was if said cash was “acquired” via a mechanism of monetary transaction otherwise known as a poker game. Thievery was frowned upon, with said thief (once found out) at the very least ending up with a massive amount of cuts/bruises/bent/broken body parts, and at worse making a hasty exit from the deck of any given ship into the deep blue sea. Perhaps we should use the same methods on our legislative bodies, as they seemed to work rather well for us sea going types.

  13. Unregistered Comment by LC TGregg

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    You think that’s bad? Check this out: “To express the sense of the Senate that it is in the national security interest of the United States that Iraq not become a failed state and a safe haven for terrorists.”

    And three Senators voted against this resolution:

    NAYs —3
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Harkin (D-IA)

    There’s no question these people want the US to lose.

    http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00248

  14. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Having been “a drunken Sailor” on more then one occasion, and still known to flavor my Coke ™ with liberal amounts of rum when the mood strikes, I take exception with your comment. First, while drunk we spent our monies (what little there was) on only the finest swill/adult companionship/entertainment we could find. *Ok… so it was the closest bar to the dock …yer point is???*

    Subic Bay, Sailor? Come along and let me show ya around TongDuChon, South Korea!

  15. Unregistered Comment by leoni2

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    TGregg,

    There’s no question these people want the US to lose.

    Maybe those three didn’t understand the question? Hey, idiots, we don’t want to cut and run on our allies. Is that clear enough for you.

    And look, my senators (Casey’s shame (Casey) and Old man moderate dumb ass (Spector)) have finally both voted yes on something. I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya!

  16. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Of course people are unhappy with Congress. They were voted in to END Bush’s foolish war. Instead, they are tied up by a truculent Republican minority who require a sixty percent vote on virtually every piece of legislation.

    You complained wildly about Democrats threatening to use the filibuster to block appointees, yet you say absolutely nothing when Republicans use the filibuster as a procedural block to any legislation at all.

    So yes, people are bent out of shape with Congress at the moment. They are bent out of shape at the Republicans for not allowing any votes, and they are mad at Democrats for allowing it to happen.

    Understand this: the majority of people in this country are against this endless war of yours. They voted the way they did in 2006 so that there could be an end to this folly. So far Congress has failed.

    I predict a house cleaning of mostly Republicans in 2008. But I also see a lot of incument Democrats losing to Democrat challengers.

    Also, if Congress mentions the “I-word”, their ratings will go up.

    As far as low congressional ratings go, I can think of any session of congress where they enjoyed much more than twenty percent approval ratings. They usually fare somewhere below trial attorneys and slightly above child molesters when it comes to popularity.

    The hilarious thing is that he’s less Republican than Bill Clinton.

    Or Hillary, for that matter. Both Clintons are fairly Conservative in their political views, the DLC is really Conservative lite. They give lip service to many liberal causes, but tend to be conservative when it comes to action.

    Bush is neither Conservative nor Liberal at all. He is a Corporatist puppet, and every action he makes is geared to lining his pocket or position in the future. He has duped both the Conservatives and the Christian Right into thinking he was one of you.

    Half of us in this country saw him for what he really is.

  17. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Step away from the Kool-Aid, Dave.

  18. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    Misha,
    I blame neither the pols (its expected) or the people.. I blame those good citizins that should have run but did not.. thereby leaving leftover garbage to the voters to choose.

    The dems won because republican voters stayed him.. who can blame them..

    But you guys are to blame.. which LC here has ever run for public office eh?

  19. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    which LC here has ever run for public office eh?

    –Which LC is that eager to whore themselves out for the money necessary to run a sucessful campaign…for any office?
    Example: In the state of Washington, the last election for State Supreme Court Justice Positions averaged a million dollars per candidate. FOR A NON-PARTISAN POSITION! You don’t really believe that the money doesn’t come with an obligation, do you? A freind of mine ran for a Superior Court Judge’s seat. He spent $50,000.

    –Which LC wants to expose their families to the distortions and innuendos that are the knee-jerk manuver of the MSM when it comes to people who don’t repeat everything the bubble-heads broadcast and publish to ever-shrinking audiences?

    –Which LC is so dain-bramaged to willingly dive in to the open cesspool that is American politics, and see how much sewage they can force feed themselves in an attempt to find a place in that festering karbunkle between Virginia and Maryland?

    I worked in politics long enough to see exactly how it works and to realize that I simply didn’t want any part of it.

  20. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    Will, the irony here is I never made it to the PI, however I did get to Korea on more then one ocassion. *otherwise known as the land of the whispering bushes.*

    Dave:
    People on both sides are fed up. Corruption is rampant, imperial attitudes from almost all members (regardless of party affiliation), a strong sense of there being no response to the issue(s) which voters placed them there to address in the first place (again, both parties). Is it any wonder why they have a 14 per cent rating (and that seems high to me)

  21. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    LCWil, TDC was ok, but It-Taewon (EE-tay-won), THAT’S a party town! I went there whenever I got a Warrior pass from Camp Pelham in good ‘ol 2nd ID (SECOND TO NONE!!)I had a ball during my tour there ‘92-’93, and yes we GI’s spent like drunken sailors there, too, but GI’s and Sailors WORK for their paychecks, unlike most of the goldbricks in Congress. As far as the leftlackeys, we simply need to keep handing them the rope, it looks like they’re hanging themselves very nicely, and we seriously need to get rid of the RINOs as well! OH, and partying in It-taewon required having to tolerate the REMFs from the garrison in Yongsan!

  22. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Infidel River Rat:

    SECOND TO NONE!

    The year I was there (’88 - ‘89), TDC was number 3n Husler Magazine’s list of “Top Party Towns” in the world.

    “Step right this way! For the small price of only Ten, that is Ten U.S. Dollars, You, Too, can find true love in Downtown TDC, Korea!”

  23. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I say we encourage this shit! MAKE them raise taxes and spend like a drunken sailor! no, that’s an insult all of the inebriated Naval Personnel out there.

    Amen to that. We didn’t have a problem with thieves on the Enterprise. Not after one of them got caught in the act. Our Chief, asked if we had any thieves in our division said no. And we didn’t….not after said thief somehow managed to drop a two foot pipe wrench on his hands a dozen or so times……if only congress was held to a similar standard.

  24. Grits Comment by Grits

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    It is time the 22nd amendment to the Constitution was amended to include Congress. Eight bold words will cure the problem.

    The 22nd Amendment
    Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President or the House of Representatives or the Senate more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    Amen

    Grits

  25. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    HEY,Wil, let’s not forget “I give yoo goood Kolean gilr, she rove you rongtime velly goood!” Good ‘ol ‘Aijima!! And how ’bout throwing the “turtles” into the nearest “juicy bar”?

  26. Naviguesser Comment by Naviguesser

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    When you consider Reuters/Zogby is already left-biased, the actual figure is likely sub-zero.

  27. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Of course people are unhappy with Congress. They were voted in to END Bush’s foolish war. Instead, they are tied up by a truculent Republican minority who require a sixty percent vote on virtually every piece of legislation.

    It’s their right as the minority party, and they didn’t do it on “every piece of legislation” minimum wage got passed…pay raises got passed…

    oh wait, that’s about the entire agenda for this demorat congress right? that and trying to placate the BDS suffering kooks who own them lock stock and barrel.

    Also, if Congress mentions the “I-word”, their ratings will go up.

    if congress mentions the “I” word, I’ll start mentioning President Cheney!!!

    Or Hillary, for that matter. Both Clintons are fairly Conservative in their political views, the DLC is really Conservative lite. They give lip service to many liberal causes, but tend to be conservative when it comes to action.

    That’s ‘cuz they know a liberal agenda is WILDLY unpopular with Americans. I’m only amazed at how long you and the rest of the libs have put up with their broken promises to you.

    Bush is neither Conservative nor Liberal at all. He is a Corporatist puppet

    Can you say George Soros? or Ted Turner? your side has just as many “corporatist” puppet masters. The argument that Republicans are just pawns of the corporations just doesn’t have wings anymore.

  28. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    I’m with Grits. Time for term limits! And we should make it retroactive! Kick out Kennedy, and all the old-timers who plan to die at their desks.

  29. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    The 22nd Amendment
    Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President or the House of Representatives or the Senate more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    First, you cannot amend an amendment. You can revise by repealing a previous one.

    Secondly, I thought it was part of the Contract on America that swept Republicans into office in 1994. Suddenly, nobody wanted to carry through with term limits.

    I blame neither the pols (its expected) or the people.. I blame those good citizins that should have run but did not.. thereby leaving leftover garbage to the voters to choose.

    There is some truth to this. However, the smart people don’t run for office — a person has to already have some serious character defects to want to go through something like that. (see Bush)

    People on both sides are fed up. Corruption is rampant, imperial attitudes from almost all members (regardless of party affiliation), a strong sense of there being no response to the issue(s) which voters placed them there to address in the first place (again, both parties). Is it any wonder why they have a 14 per cent rating (and that seems high to me)

    I have long believed that there is really no difference between career Dem politicians and career Republican politicians. Both are the same people with the same money masters. They don’t represent you and I, they represent the people who pay for them to be there.

    Step away from the Kool-Aid, Dave.

    No Kool-Aide, Wil. Just knowing what is ticking most people off.

  30. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Bill Clinton wanted to repeal/rescind that particular amendment because he thought that a lifetime of Clintons as president would be good for the country.

  31. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    You asshats voted for them

    Clean the crap out of your head and try again. Do you actually think I voted for khol or feingold?

    Step away from the Kool-Aid, Dave.

    Agreed.

  32. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    DAVE
    Maybe the incumbents ran to stop this war but I know for a fact that dems that beat incumbent rinos (at least in Ohio i.e. Sherrod Brown over Mike Dewine) said absolutely nothing about the Iraq war. It was all about how corrupt the republicans were and they were gonna change washington, sorry didn’t happen.

    Sorry to piss in your corn flakes

  33. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    Just remember it in ‘08, will you?

    What has this to do with Paris Hilton?

  34. chuck Comment by chuck

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    Come on, Dave. I have been reading this site long enough to know your comprehension is better than this.

    You complained wildly about Democrats threatening to use the filibuster to block appointees, yet you say absolutely nothing when Republicans use the filibuster as a procedural block to any legislation at all.

    You DO understand there is a difference between appointees and legislation, don’t you? There was no complaints about blocking legislation. That is how the game has always been played. The filibustering of judicial nominees was what was complained about.

  35. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

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    Ah, well, having been assigned to both Yongsan and Cp. Casey, I must say that I Taewon has TDC’s entertainment district beat for sheer volume and variety. But while TDC is pretty much as you remember the ‘ville, I Taewon is much more Americanized.

    TDC also has Toko-Ri, on the backside of Camp Hovey, for the Korean juicy girls. In the main Entertainment district, the owner of the Palace managed to swing a deal with Russia to allow many girls exit visas to S. Korea (as stepping stone to USA). So the Juicy Girls in TDC Entertainment District are tall, leggy Russian girls from the Russian Army town of Khavarosk (sp?), a couple of hundred miles NE of Vladivostok. They look like models. TDC gets my vote, and I’ve been both places.

    Oh, BTW, the Russian town at the beginning of the movie Castaway was Khavarosk.

  36. SoldierInGodsArmy Comment by SoldierInGodsArmy

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  37. Unregistered Comment by Draven32

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    Wil,

    98% of the politicians give the honest one a bad name.

    Fixed it for ya.

  38. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Dave,

    I usually refrain from pointing out when you say dumb shit out of some sort of allegiance to Misha, but occasionally you cry out for rebuke.

    They were voted in to END Bush’s foolish war.

    What is it that you hate so much about representative democracy, Dave?

    Y’see, part of this whole “America” thing is something called ‘consensual government’, and part of that is ‘consenting’ to be governed by the people elected by a plurality. Anything those elected officials do is on behalf of all of us- like it or not, whether you voted for them or not.

    So the whole “He’s not my president!” and “Bush’s war” line of childish claptrap is nothing more than an expression of one of two things- either a childish contempt for Bush that trumps the notion of representative democracy, or simple contempt for the notion itself. Whether you like it or not, you have to face the fact that as an American, it’s your war, too, pal.

    Which is it?

  39. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    And by the way, Dave…

    I’ve a hot nickel that says whoever you voted for in the last ten years voted to authorize the war.

    That’s gotta suck.

  40. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    I agree that runing for public office is a messed up nightmare.. but you gotta do it!

  41. LC Shamalama Comment by LC Shamalama

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    Most of the Democrats in Congress are mindless myrmidons of the Nutroots or out-and-out Socialists, neither of which resonates with the average American voter.

    Most of the Republicans got so drunk with newfound-power that they forgot about the Conservatives that voted them into (and not out of) office.

    Congress is a pig sty so busy complaining about which pig is more dirty that nothing meaningful is coming out of Washington.

    Case in point: Congressman Don Young, Republican, is the lone member of the House Of Representatives from Alaska. He is also one of the biggest pigs in Washington, taking federal taxpayer money from across the country at a record rate and re-routing it to Alaska.

    * $223 million to build a bridge nearly as long as the Golden Gate and higher than the Brooklyn Bridge, to connect the town of Ketchikan (population 8,900) to the city airport on Gravina Island (population 50). Currently, the link is provided by a 10-minute ferry ride that has worked for years. This proposed project won Young a “Golden Fleece Award” from Taxpayers for Common Sense — an award he has told supporters he cherishes.
    * $200 million for another “bridge to nowhere,” which would lead from Anchorage, the state’s largest city, to a rural port that has one tenant and a handful of homes. Total cost for the project has been estimated at upwards of $1.5 billion. Not even the Anchorage Chamber of Commerce wants it.
    * $15 million to begin work on a 68-mile, $284 million access road to Juneau, the state capital, even though a majority of area residents have said they would prefer improving service in the existing ferry system instead. The proposed road would compromise so many ecologically sensitive areas that the Environmental Protection Agency, in an extremely unusual move, has stated its opposition to the project.

    Voters are getting tired of this nonsense. THAT’S why a recent Zogby poll showed that 83% of voters say the Congress is doing only a fair or poor job - the worst mark for Congress in a Zogby poll. “Americans feel their government is not accomplishing the people’s business,” Zogby said. “They feel the system is seriously broken.”

    The “Bush’s foolish war” line is a red herring designed by the Democrats to deflect criticism of Congress as an entity, nothing more. I don’t see it as either “Bush’s” or “foolish”. If every soldier were out of Iraq today the voters would STILL be fed up with Congress and their waste of taxpayer money and abuse of Congressional power.

    My 2¢

  42. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Dave:

    No Kool-Aide, Wil. Just knowing what is ticking most people off.

    No, I really don’t think you do, Dave. At least some portion of those people pissed at the President want the Administration to GET OFF THE DIME, ALREADY about the war. If you are gonna get everybody together for a war, fight a damned war, and don’t screw around with barfight rules. In other words, get medevial on there asses. Ditto the ones pissed at Congress (what’s the opposite of Progress?).

    Another portion are mad about the spending spree.

    Still others want Washington to get out of our pockets.

    And there are those like me who just believe we need to get a new whorehouse in this town, and stop replacing the piano player every time something goes wrong.

  43. Unregistered Comment by Draven32

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    Wil,

    Also, if Congress mentions the “I-word”, their ratings will go up.

    I’d love to see that happen. One point seven metric tons of enriched uranium…..

  44. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    You DO understand there is a difference between appointees and legislation, don’t you? There was no complaints about blocking legislation. That is how the game has always been played. The filibustering of judicial nominees was what was complained about.

    You aren’t hearing me say that they should do away with the filibuster, do you? I think it is applicable to both legislation and appointees.

    I just observed that Republicans have been using the procedural threat of filibuster to block everything — something that hasn’t been part of the way the game’s been played. So essentially, everything that needs to be passed out of the Senate needs to have sixty votes to pass, even though they pass on a majority vote. THIS is what is pissing most people off about Congress, and why they are getting such low approval ratings.

    And sure, corruption played a big role in the outcome of the past election. People didn’t like the way Republicans acted then either, and they are not too thrilled about the way they are acting now.

    You are going to see a whole slew of them reversing themselves in about six weeks. At least the slew of them up for re-election.

    This was the reason why Harry Reid put on his “political theater” the other night. He knew that there wasn’t a chance of breaking a filibuster, he just wanted these Republicans on record before they went back home to their constituencies.

    It seems to me, if you are going to threaten to block legislation through a filibuster, then you ought to actually do some filibustering. Put in the work, get your ass on record.

    I don’t care if no legislation is passed between now and the next election. It’s not like there is a minimum quota of legislation that needs to be passed.

    Don’t pass a spending bill — think of all the money we would save.

    Personally, I wouldn’t fund anything for a year.

    No, I really don’t think you do, Dave. At least some portion of those people pissed at the President want the Administration to GET OFF THE DIME, ALREADY about the war. If you are gonna get everybody together for a war, fight a damned war, and don’t screw around with barfight rules. In other words, get medevial on there asses. Ditto the ones pissed at Congress (what’s the opposite of Progress?).

    But we aren’t at war, Wil. We are in the middle of an occupation. There is a difference.

    Most people don’t want to be fighting a war — especially with this administration in charge.

    As far as priorities, I think that most people rate health care as a more pressing priority than Bush’s perpetual war.

  45. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    A majority of this Countries voters want to see the iraq war over - to see Iraq in the rear view mirror once and for all.

    By ceasing the endless dicking around, kicking the assses of the problems, and THEN declare victory. Leave some permanent presence (at, of course, the invitation of the Iraqui Government) to assist and train, but WIN THE FUCKING WAR!

    The democrats did not win the last election so much as an ass load of Conservatives just said that driving two miles to vote wasn’t worth the trouble this time.

    At best, there is between 15 and 25 percent of the voters who are moonbat enough, deranged enough, pacifist enough, or disloyal TREASONOUS enough that they actually want us to lose (If we quit and go home, we lost. Then, prithee, who has WON?)

    The Democrats in Congress (the opposite of Progress) are at about the same proportions. That is, between 15 and 25 percent are moonbat, etc., enough to want to give away the war.

    The rest, no matter how much they go along with the game and take the votes of the other moonbats, know better. If they give it away, they own it.

    Sure, Harry and Nancy and Shrillery and Chuckie (one in both houses) and the rest would purely LOVE for the WAR to be lost, but only if they can hang the results around the neck of a Republican. If there was the SLIGHTEST, MINISCULE, most MICROSCOPIC chance that the theatrics last night would have succeeded, there would have been no all night Senate session. In that case, the Democrats would have owned the defeat.

    If they really wanna stop the war, PULL THE FUNDING. They can do that, legally, with a simple majority vote in the House, as an appropriations bill. They will never do that, because a week later, there will be pictures on the nightly news of the carnage caused by that stupidity.

    The Democrats already own ONE war that they gave away in a fit of pique. The loss in Vietnam was a pure temper tantrum by the Democrats, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Iraq is currently being WON. Handily. A pullout / withdrawal / failure to fund / back away / redeployment will have the same result as the Democrat temper tantrum in 1975. That is, an unnecessary loss of the war, and a black eye for this Country.

    The Democrats are stupid, foolish, moonbat, power drunken idiots, but they can’t afford another albatross. We are in Iraq until we win.

    If the Democratic Presidential Nominee wins nexr fall, they will be unable to pull out the troups, either, for the same reasons. Another one will spell the end of the party.

    Nener, nener, nener!

  46. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    At any rate, Dave, that’s why we have horseraces, right?

    Be well!

  47. HarleyRace (uber-douchebag) Comment by HarleyRace (uber-douchebag)

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    The polls are all a part of the corporate media. They deliberately ask people only about the most obscure members to skew the poll numbers for the Repukes. If they asked about Madame Speaker Pelosi or “Give ‘em Hell” Harry Reid their favorable numbers would be over 85%

    Secondly, I thought it was part of the Contract on America that swept Republicans into office in 1994.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: “Contract ON America”

    Awesome Dave! I’ve been busting a gut for over half an hour over that!

  48. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I guess I should have just cut and pasted the analysis from zogby just to be done with it:

    One in four likely voters (25%) said they think the nation is headed in the right direction, while 64% said they think things are off on the wrong track.

    Among those who said things are headed in the right direction, President Bush, not Congress, appears to be getting most of the credit – 76% give him positive approval ratings, but just 20% give Congress positive job approval marks. Those who said things are off on the wrong track appear willing to spread the blame far and wide: just 17% give Bush positive job ratings, and only 12% give positive job marks to Congress.

    You can’t get too much clearer than that.

    A majority of this Countries voters want to see the iraq war over - to see Iraq in the rear view mirror once and for all.

    The “war” is over, Wil. The only thing we are doing there is occupying.

    At best, there is between 15 and 25 percent of the voters who are moonbat enough, deranged enough, pacifist enough, or disloyal TREASONOUS enough that they actually want us to lose (If we quit and go home, we lost. Then, prithee, who has WON?)

    Iraq was a war of choice, not a war of necessity. The only fucking reason we are still there is because we are trying to force the Iraqis into giving up their oil through a mechanism referred to as the “Oil Law benchmark”. Once the Iraqi Parliment agrees to give Exxon Mobil and BP a thirty-year control over production and profits, THEN you will see the BushCo start to pull out and declare victory.

    If they really wanna stop the war, PULL THE FUNDING. They can do that, legally, with a simple majority vote in the House, as an appropriations bill. They will never do that, because a week later, there will be pictures on the nightly news of the carnage caused by that stupidity.

    I suspect that is coming soon. Except that it will not be a case of PULLING, just not ADDRESSING any further funds.

    The carnage is going to happen if we are there or we are not. I suspect that once the Iraqi government sees we are serious about leaving, they will finally step up to take their place.

    And THIS cannot be good:

    Turkey shells Northern Iraq after attack

    Ah the brilliance of the Bush Doctrine is stagering..

  49. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    The carnage is going to happen if we are there or we are not.

    Yeah, right.

    Just determined to MAKE this into another Vietnam aint’chya!

    Every single vote for surrender should be followed by an execution.

    We can’t lose the war. Only surrender.

  50. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    BTW, why surrender now?
    If we’re losing the war, why are the Iraqi’s turning on those poor taliban social workers so frequently anymore?

  51. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    And THIS cannot be good:

    Turkey shells Northern Iraq after attack

    Thanks, Dave. I wouldn’t have seen that until someone else picked it up (al-Reurters not having the best name around here). I would point out, however, that such incidents have been happening since the break up of the Ottoman Empire (blame it on the Brits :-) ). The Kurds have been trying for an independent Kurdistan for decades. This would involve a large chunk of Turkey being “carved off” to become part of a new entity. That’s part of the reason that I really don’t want Iraq to be spilt into three separate entities (Kurdistan, Shiastan and Sunnistan, for want of better terms). The Kurds would use their part as a secure base to attack Turkey and take part of their territory, and Shiastan and Sunnistan would be constantly at war because of the oil. But then again, I have always known the “final war” would start somewhere close to this zip code.

    Now, back to the regularly schedulled horserace.

    This isn’t an occupation, although it could easily turn into one. We are involving the locals in their own fate way too much for that. An occupation is what happened in Germany, Italy and Japan following WWII - that is, we become the Government (we aren’t), write the laws (we don’t - In Japan, fer instance, we forced their Constitution down their throats), and generally carry on mean and nasty.

    Does Iraq face problems? No doubt in my mind! They have religious tensions that are older than the United States trying to tear them apart. This is the sun source of the problems for most of the Middle East. The artifical entities caused by the British and *spit* fwench *spit* drawing lines on a map, instead of making countries where the people have some affinity and respect for each other, will haunt this region for decades to come.

    Does that mean we should give up? I don’t think so.

    Some day, I may be ready to throw in the towel. Not today, though. And, as I said earlier, I do not believe the majority of the rest of the Country is ready, either.

    Including the majority of Democrats.

  52. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Nice, Dave…

    By ignoring my question, you answered quite clearly.

    Obviously for you, your intense personal hatred for the President completely trumps the notion of representative democracy. You just can’t keep from calling it “Bush’s war”, when you know full well that as a citizen, it’s your war, too.

    You also know Russia, China, and Vietnam are the recipients of contracts to operate Iraqi oil fields, so what gives with the utter dishonesty of this nonsense?

    Once the Iraqi Parliment (sic) agrees to give Exxon Mobil and BP a thirty-year control over production and profits, THEN you will see the BushCo start to pull out and declare victory.

    As was once said, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

  53. tvfoh Comment by tvfoh

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    How about these ideas for any of us to run?

    From a post of mine on another site.

    This is what I think we need to do to win the hearts and minds of the electorate. This is a outline and will be filled in with posts as needed.

    Congress must be owned by the American people. - I feel and most people feel that their Representatives and Senators aren’t responsive to citizens and are bought and paid for by lobbyists. The easiest way to do this is to limit contributions to be from registered voters only.

    Fiscal Restraint If we don’t have enough money through taxes then we can’t afford it.

    Taxes The current Tax system is blatantly unfair to all Citizens. we will institute a fair and equitable tax plan. Whether a flat income tax (least preferable), a fair sales tax only (better), or return to the constitutionally mandated “Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises.”

    Trade Free trade as currently practiced is a joke. We have suffered the foreign subsidized elimination of many industries. We will introduce legislation to remove the US from NAFTA and GATT.

    Energy We must be 100% self sufficient! Our national energy needs must NEVER be met by another country. We must produce our own energy through the open market. We will allow anyone who is willing to take the risk to find energy to meet our needs. We will allow oil exploration in any location in the USA. We applaud renewable fuels and coal gasification. If carbon clean energy like solar, wind, geothermal, wave or nuclear, is cheaper then it will be adopted.

    Military We believe that soldiers are our heroes and must be paid as such. It is a total embarrassment that some military family’s qualify for food stamps. We will increase combat ready troops thru higher pay and training.

    Immigration Immigration is what made our country great. Our parents, grandparents, and other forefathers came here, worked hard for us and became Americans. Sadly, we believe that the system is currently overloaded. First we must secure our borders. Then we sort out who should or shouldn’t be here. We will remove those who don’t and put them at the end of the line as punishment. Anyone who wants to be a citizen will learn English. All government business from documents to voting will be done in English. 470 Americans is not anti-immigration. 470 Americans is 100% anti-Illegal-immigration.

    The Law The Constitution means what it says. We will not pass a law that violates the constitution. We will not pass a law giving citizens rights not listed in the constitution. Our members that are in the senate will not confirm a judge that does not adhere to this standard. Our members in congress will bring articles of impeachment against judges that legislate from the bench or overrule a mandate from the people that doesn’t directly violate the constitution.

    TVFOH
    The View From Out Here

  54. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Just determined to MAKE this into another Vietnam aint’chya!

    I didn’t make this into anything. THAT was done by by the boy-king following his PNAC advisors.

    This has been a failed policy from the get-go, and it is only going to continue to get worse, the longer we prolong it.

    We can’t lose the war. Only surrender.

    We are not at war with Iraq. That ended with “major operations are over and we have prevailed”. What followed, and continues is an occupation of a sovereign country that is in the middle of a power struggle and on the verge of a civil war. It is a conflict that has been going on between the two major factions longer than there has been a United States, and our presence over there is NOT going to make that conflict go away.

    Saddam was able to quash the conflict by being a brutal dictator, and it sounds to me like there are some here who would like us to be just as brutal.

    The best thing for all sides is to move our people to the borders and not allow anyone in or out. Let the Iraqis sort out their own problems once and for all.

    Yes, people are going to get killed. But they are getting killed right now and there is no end in sight. At the same time our own people are getting killed.

    Comment by DдrтH бдкфи @ 38

    I usually refrain from pointing out when you say dumb shit out of some sort of allegiance to Misha…

    What the hell for? I am not special, you don’t need to bubble-wrap me. Besides, you would miss out on all of the fun everyone else is having by beating up on me.

    So the whole “He’s not my president!” and “Bush’s war” line of childish claptrap is nothing more than an expression of one of two things- either a childish contempt for Bush that trumps the notion of representative democracy, or simple contempt for the notion itself. Whether you like it or not, you have to face the fact that as an American, it’s your war, too, pal.

    That is assuming that Bush really won the election, doesn’t it?

    There is still enough doubt that Bush actually won anything except a Supreme Court decision. The majority of people voting in 2000 actually voted against Bush, so the feeling that Bush isn’t “our” president, really means that Bush wasn’t our CHOICE of president.

    And by the way, Dave…

    I’ve a hot nickel that says whoever you voted for in the last ten years voted to authorize the war.

    That’s gotta suck.

    How are you going to get me that nickel?

    I didn’t vote for anyone in the past ten years. :lol:

    I’ll tell you a little secret.

    I am not going to pick the lessor of two evils in any election. I haven’t been excited about a candidate for any position for a good long time. I can find just as many faults with many of the Democrat candidates as you can — maybe more. I certainly can find many faults with the Republican ones — more than you will admit to.

    But I refuse to vote for anyone who is going to fuck me, whether they kiss me afterwards or not.

    As far as the voting for the authorization of the war, that authorization was contingent on going back to the UN for the Security Council’s authorization. Bush didn’t do that because the UNSC wasn’t going to give that authorization.

    Besides, Bush took advantage of the general mood right after 9/11. He could have accused a ham sandwich of being a terrorist and we would have given him permission to invade Hormel.

  55. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Here- I fixed this for you;

    There is still enough doubt

    I know you really meant, “There are still enough loonies clinging like grim death itself to childish and pathetic wish-dreams…

    That is assuming that Bush really won the election, doesn’t it?

    Jeezus…you guys just can’t let the 2000 elections go, can you? Which of the many ‘recount scenarios’ suggested by the Sore/Loserman Sue-Squad are you still clinging to in spite of all of them having resulted in a Bush victory?

    Besides, we all know that when liberals say “He’s not my president!”, that they’re not simply saying, as you state, that they didn’t vote for him- not that that would make it any truer, or less ri-goddam-diculous of statement. What you’re really saying is he’s illegitimate- in spite of recounts, a court decision affirming a lower court’s decision that recount threshholds had not been met, etc. etc. etc. I won’t hash out the various vicissitudes of electoral politics- it’s a boring topic to have to remind you guys of year after year, and your feelings on it are best addressed during your regular therapy, anyway.

    As for the nickel, I’ll have the neighbor’s dog pass one through it’s colon, then FedEx it to you. Either that, or I can paypal you one.

    I’m just sayin’ here, but there are those who firmly believe that if you don’t vote, you have no business being such a constant, droning, “He’s not my president!” bitch about politics.

    Just puttin’ that out there…( Sounds kinda like a Truther saying ‘I’m just asking questions that need to be asked, is all…’, doesn’t it?)

  56. chuck Comment by chuck

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    In Japan, fer instance, we forced their Constitution down their throats

    And one of the biggest f***ups we have made is allowing these asshats for allah to write their own.

  57. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Oh, and I forgot to address your little ‘Reichstag Fire‘ moment…

    Besides, Bush took advantage of the general mood right after 9/11. He could have accused a ham sandwich of being a terrorist and we would have given him permission to invade Hormel.

    Your office called- Keith X. Muhammad-Ellison wants his gaffe back.

  58. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    I didn’t make this into anything.

    I only noted your determination to do so.

    This has been a failed policy from the get-go,

    Of course, that’s why all the democraps were sooo on board at go-time. They had this failure planned all along.
    It’s their war. Had they taken reasonable steps in the leadup (how many billion dollar pieces of UN resolution asswipes did we sit through?), had the UN security council nixed the attack, had saddam capitulated, had the fwench not set up their pawn shop with the oil for palaces,,man, it could have been diverted,,,you got some ’splainin’ to do if you want to hang it all on Bush.
    We’re still fighting it because they’ve switched sides. and can’t wait to give aid and comfort to our enemies by handing the keys to a fledgling government to the taliban occupiers.
    Or do you regard them as freedom fighters?

    We are not at war with Iraq.

    Astute, something we can agree on.,we’re at war (part of the global war on terror) IN Iraq.

    What was that point you were shooting at anyhoo?

    I am not going to pick the lessor of two evils in any election.

    Yep, do nothing. Fine Plan.

  59. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    I am not going to pick the lessor of two evils in any election.

    Someone’s leasing evil now? And here I just went out and bought mine.

  60. chuck Comment by chuck

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    What followed, and continues is an occupation of a sovereign country

    Just like our current occupations of Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc., etc.? We are in Iraq at the invitation of their government just like the other examples. So drop the occupation bull sh*t.

  61. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    So drop the occupation bull sh*t.

    Chuck, man, dontcha get it yet?

    Libs choose their words (when they actually can be forced to ascribe actual, set meanings to them) in order to reinforce their precious meta-narrative that Booo$Hitler is the pan-genitor/pan-phage of all their collective nightmares.

    Clearly, our betters in Europe would never, say, ‘occupy’ a sovereign (they love that word when it applies to our colonized ‘victims’) country, like Cote D’Ivoire…the fact we are there at the behest of (freely-elected) government of a sovereign nation is meaningless.

    We’re just that evil.

  62. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Dave:

    What followed, and continues is an occupation of a sovereign country that is in the middle of a power struggle and on the verge of a civil war.

    Funny. Just last month, you were declaring that Iraq was, indeed, a Civil War. Therefore, we have an improvement?

    The best thing for all sides is to move our people to the borders and not allow anyone in or out. Let the Iraqis sort out their own problems once and for all.

    Ya’ know, if we first kicked out the Iranians / Saudis / Jordanians / Egyptians / Syrians / Pakistanis / Afghanis / etfuckingcetera, I could go along with this one.

    ‘Course, the population may be below 300 when the smoke clears . . .

    That is assuming that Bush really won the election, doesn’t it?

    There is still enough doubt that Bush actually won anything except a Supreme Court decision. The majority of people voting in 2000 actually voted against Bush, so the feeling that Bush isn’t “our” president, really means that Bush wasn’t our CHOICE of president.

    Now, Dave, we have about covered this one enough in the last 6.67 years. Every recount has shown Dubya to have won. The Supremes just told the Floriduh Supreme Court to stop changing the election laws after the voting. You know this, I know this, we all know this.

    In this Country, there is NO consideration given to the raw numbers of the popular vote. You can read the Owners Manual as well as I can. The Electoral College is all that matters, and in the event of problems, the House of Representatives is the final authority.

    If MichaelMoronMarkosMovethefuckonalready don’t like this little detail, well, Delta’s ready when you are.

    Until then, you live here, Dubya’s your President. Surely, you don’t think the people running this site liked Bill Clinton, da ‘ya? He pissed me off on average once a week. Never once did I (or any other non-nutcase Conservative use the words “Not My President.” You sure you wanna wear this flavor of moonbat?

    I am not going to pick the lessor of two evils in any election. I haven’t been excited about a candidate for any position for a good long time.

    But I refuse to vote for anyone who is going to fuck me, whether they kiss me afterwards or not.

    Hmm, frequently, I find myself having to vote AGAINST something, instead of FOR something (or someone). Does that count?

    As far as the voting for the authorization of the war, that authorization was contingent on going back to the UN for the Security Council’s authorization. Bush didn’t do that because the UNSC wasn’t going to give that authorization.

    Yes he did. That was included in the last resolution. “Serious Consequences” is a diplomatic term-of-art, which, loosely translated, means, “this is your final warning before we kick your ass back to the stona age.” Sodamn Insane knew this, and purposely evaded his last warning. The invasion was his own fault. It’s not my fault that after eight years of dealing with Bill Clinton, he believed that there would be another bombing of some inconsequential area One More Time.

    Besides, Bush took advantage of the general mood right after 9/11. He could have accused a ham sandwich of being a terrorist and we would have given him permission to invade Hormel.

    Yeah, the price of Bacon is too high (sorry Darth!), so let’s get ‘em!

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    Dave, no one lied to get you into this war (you, of course, being an intelligent man, understand the difference between a lie and a mistaken opinion, especially one that is shared by every intellegence agency on earth, and the last “Loyal Opposition” Presidential candidate). We are winning, and the terrorists are getting their asses kicked. In ten years, Iraq will be a shining example.

    We still have Troups in Germany, Italy, Japan and South Korea. All were ACTUAL occupying forces at one time. The ones in Germany and Italy have been there since 1944. If we can spend 63 years there, surely we can give Iraq another couple of years to settle.

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    TVFOH (@ # 53, in case we all lost count):

    Nice ideas, but I suspect we are gonna have to debate them somewhere else. This thread is gonna be tied up fer a while.

  63. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    As far as the voting for the authorization of the war, that authorization was contingent on going back to the UN for the Security Council’s authorization. Bush didn’t do that because the UNSC wasn’t going to give that authorization.

    Not quite, Dave.

    There is still enough doubt that Bush actually won anything except a Supreme Court decision. The majority of people voting in 2000 actually voted against Bush, so the feeling that Bush isn’t “our” president, really means that Bush wasn’t our CHOICE of president.

    Which just goes to show that you Demoscum don’t give two shits about the Constitution, ain’t that right?

    Damn  that Electoral Collage, anyway! 

  64. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    If we eliminate the electoral college, the president will be elected by New York and California. Those of us in flyover country wouldn’t have a prayer. IIRC, that is one of the reasons FOR the electoral college, so that the deck wouldn’t be stacked.

  65. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    To appear not to want to eliminate the EC (which we all know they do), the dems are trying to put forward legislation where all electoral votes would have to be put on the candidate who wins the popular vote nationwide, NOT the candidate who takes the state.

    Frankly, I don’t see how that is any different from not having the EC…

  66. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    I didn’t vote for anyone in the past ten years.

    Then what are you bitching so much for? If you don’t exercise your right and responsibility to vote…no matter how shitty the candidates are…then keep your gripes to yourself.

  67. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    To appear not to want to eliminate the EC (which we all know they do), the dems are trying to put forward legislation where all electoral votes would have to be put on the candidate who wins the popular vote nationwide, NOT the candidate who takes the state.

    Think of the possibilities, SkyeChild!

    Once all the States have adopted that wonderfully progressive utopian legislation, then ALL of our Presidents will be elected with 100% of the vote in the electoral college!

    Just like Cuba, China, North Korea, the Soviet Union and Viet Nam!

    No wonder the Dem Cong cream their pants at the thought.

  68. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Now, COME ON! Sodamn Insane only got 98% in his last election, and Kim Jond MentallyIll came in at 99.4%!

  69. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Now, COME ON! Sodamn Insane only got 98% in his last election, and Kim Jond MentallyIll came in at 99.4%!

    See? Our progressive friends in the Dem Cong are even more enlightened than those other heroes of the working class.

  70. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I didn’t vote for anyone in the past ten years.

    then quit’cher griping about the “boy king” already……

  71. Chance Comment by Chance

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    What Mrs M-ITT and jaybear said^

  72. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    So drop the occupation bull sh*t.

    I will not. It is an occupation no matter how you try to describe it.

    We are not at war with Iraq. We have a puppet government that does not represent a large segment of the population. (they can barely move around the Green Zone without getting killed) The rest of the country is fighting a civil war for power, and both the Shiites and the Sunnis want us out of there.

    The only real group that wants us there just got attacked by one of our major allies — Turkey.

    The problem you people have is that this invasion of Iraq looked good on paper. If we deposed that evil and brutal dictator, Saddam, then people would be greeting us with flowers like the scene in Band of Brothers.

    It never happened.

    We created a huge vacuum of power that had kept the warring factions from killing each other while Saddam was in power. The hatred of the two major groups never went away — it was just suppressed by Saddam being brutal.

    Now that Saddam is gone, all hell is breaking loose. Each side is vying for power, and there is nothing we are going to be able to do, standing in between them.

    I know that most of you will deny the obvious here, but the only reason why we are over there is because we need the oil. It is the oil, stupid, not the silly excuses the Boy-King has been feeding you.

    If we cared about brutal dictators, we could have been in twenty other places that didn’t have oil or a natural resource we depend so much on.

    We didn’t care about Kuwait being invaded by Iraq in 1990, until the Saudis made such a stink about it. Again, it was the oil that got our attention.

    What were Osama been Forgotten’s two main beefs with us?

    1. Our military occupying holy land in Saudi Arabia

    2. The price of oil was being sold too low.

    What has Bush the appeaser done to make Osama happy?

    1. We’ve moved our military to Iraq, where we can provide valuable combat experience for Al Qaeda

    2. The price per barrel has risen almost 225 percent since 9/11.

    We are occupying Iraq because Iraq can’t tell us to leave. I am sure they’d like to — and many of them have, we just don’t listen very well.

  73. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    but the only reason why we are over there is because we need the oil. It is the oil, stupid,

    Fine…how about you tell your enviroweenie sippy cup bangers to STFU about Coastal and ANWAR drilling and let us build some new refineries without shitting their diapers. As long as that’s going on we’ll never be able to get off using everyone else’s oil. And don’t start screeching about hybrid cars…oil is used to produce a hell of alot more products than fuel. That keyboard you insist on banging your rattle on happens to be one of them.

  74. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Way to go, Dave. You got Mrs. M. all riled up, now.

    The “war for oil” mantra is getting rather old. If we wanted it, we have the fire and manpower to go in and TAKE it.

    BTW, Dave, when we had a Republican congress, you dems were screaming bloody murder about high oil/gas prices. Around here, they are at their highest mark, EVAH. Where’s the outcry from the dems/libs NOW???? Silly me…I forgot…it’s a democrat congress now. And if it IS truly a war for oil, the dems should WANT us in the ME. The longer we stay there, the more oil we can get.

  75. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    It is an occupation no matter how you try to describe it.

    BS Dave. Iraq is now a sovereign nation and our continued presence there is at their request. They can tell us to leave at any point. But they won’t because they know that our military presence is the only thing that is giving them a snowballs chance in hell of existence as any thing less than a devastated waste land of Al Quada “enlightenment”.

    We have a puppet government that does not represent a large segment of the population.

    Says who? Did Jimmah Cahter suddenly declare three major elections null and void.Must have missed that memo.

    (they can barely move around the Green Zone without getting killed)

    Read the news lately Dave? Things are a lot safer there now and getting better every day. Anbar, once an AQI caliphate is now one of the quietest places in Iraq. Diyala is getting there. Since the fall of Baqubah AQI has no population center it can find refuge in. We’re winning Dave.

    If we deposed that evil and brutal dictator, Saddam, then people would be greeting us with flowers like the scene in Band of Brothers.

    It never happened.

    Wanna retract that line of BS Dave? They did greet us as liberators then, and most still do. Do they want us out of their country? Yes, eventually, but not until the job is done.

    We didn’t care about Kuwait being invaded by Iraq in 1990, until the Saudis made such a stink about it.

    Really? Then explain to me why my happy ass was marching up the ramp of a C-130 at Cherry Point the same fucking day?

    What were Osama been Forgotten’s two main beefs with us?

    After our military being stationed in Saudi Arabia (not “occupied” as you said, man you libs really love that word don’t you, it would be our support of Israel and the enforcement of the cease fire conditions on Iraq from the Gulf War. Oh wait, I forgot that Bin Laden supposedly hated Hussein, according to the left anyway. I guess that our bombing of Iraq wasn’t really one of the points of his fartwa after all, even though he said so his self.

    C’mon Dave. You can go form posting well tough out opinions on issues, and then go off on a total tin foil hat rant like this. You’re consistency is appalling. Either you smoked your dinner or you’ve been hanging around Randi Rhodes way to much. BTW, thanks for getting her out of my home county. It’s so much nicer since she left.

  76. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    What were Osama been Forgotten’s two main beefs with us?

    1. Our military occupying holy land in Saudi Arabia

    2. The price of oil was being sold too low.

    What has Bush the appeaser done to make Osama happy?

    1. We’ve moved our military to Iraq, where we can provide valuable combat experience for Al Qaeda

    2. The price per barrel has risen almost 225 percent since 9/11.

    and that has made osama bin rotting happy how?

    someday….just someday, you’ll look at a map and see the strategic value of having a free Iraq and a free Afghanistan sitting in the middle of that craphole called the Middle East. It pens Iran in, with infidels and enemies on TWO different fronts. If they feed “insurgents” into the fray, then so much the better…makes for a target rich environment.

    Dave, it takes a long time to upgrade 7th century mongoloids into 21st century human beings. Would you like to see the killing and the beheading and bombing and mayhem cease????

    then please tell those people that you haven’t voted for in 10 years….namely reid and pelosi and murtha that this thing isn’t some mini-series war, fought and resolved in a season. It’s a long term thing and has been fought in earnest by the other side since about 1948.

    You want to talk about innocent lives being taken, and who has done the bulk of the killing? ask Elchonon about that. He has a hell of a lot more insight about that than I do.

    For God’s sake man, take off the blinders……

  77. Unregistered Comment by Draven32

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    But we aren’t at war, Wil. We are in the middle of an occupation. There is a difference.

    I might consider believing that, if the majority of the ‘insurgents’ were Iraqi. They aren’t.

  78. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    We didn’t care about Kuwait being invaded by Iraq in 1990, until the Saudis made such a stink about it.

    1990 Hussein invades Kuwait on August 2. President Bush freezes Iraqi and Kuwaiti assets. The United Nations calls on Hussein to withdraw.
    Aug 6,1990 Economic sanctions are authorized.
    Aug 7, 1990 Secretary of Defense Cheney visits Saudi Arabia. The 82nd Airborne and several fighter squadrons are dispatched.
    Aug 8. 1990 Iraq annexes Kuwait
    Aug 9, 1990 The UN declares Iraq’s annexation invalid
    Aug 12, 1990 The USA announces interdiction program of Iraqi shipping.
    Aug 22, 1990 President Bush authorizes call up of reserves.
    Aug 25, 1990 Military interdiction authorized by the UN

    Yeah you’re right Deej…we just sat on our asses up until January 16, 1991 until the Saudis farted enough for us to do something.

  79. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Mrs. M
    Clearly, we need more refineries, but it was my understanding the the Bush administration gave oil companies money to build refineries, but they didn’t follow through.

    Wil
    Way back in the dawn of time, you made a comment about going medieval on their asses in Iraq. I thought we were fighting pretty hard. And then it seems like you said that later (fighting hard). Can you clarify?

  80. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Oh, Lord…

    Someone PLEASE school this person above me on the ridiculous ROE under which our troops have suffered so nobly …and how that and the sham trials they’re being subject to are undermining the ability of troops in the field to make decisions under stress of combat.

    I can’t do it anymore- I’m suffering from Liberal Fatigue.

    I don’t want to lecture them. At this late stage, after everything should be clear to the average multicellular organism, I just want to slap them.

  81. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    It doesn’t matter how much money they may be given to build new refineries when the Envirowacko’s and NIMBY’ers won’t allow them to be built.

    They scream that we need to stop being so dependent on foreign oil (which we only get about 10% from the Middle East), but will do everything in their power to stop us from being able to build and develop new refining capacity as well as drilling in the Gulfs and ANWAR for oil that is OUR OWN.

    Not to mention all the Environmental Impact restrictions which forces “Boutique” fuel blends to be required for different regions of the country, forcing refineries to change their refining capabilities to support the need for each blend required.

  82. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Darth
    Well excuse the fuck out of me for not knowing the details of our fighting. I’m not in the military, which is obvious. What’s liberal about the question? It’s not like I said we shouldn’t be there.

    Why don’t you go ahead and slap me and then cough up a few sentences?

  83. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Mrs. M
    One good thing is the recent findings in the Gulf of Mexico:

    “A trio of oil companies led by Chevron Corp. has tapped a petroleum pool deep beneath the Gulf of Mexico that could boost the nation’s reserves by more than 50 percent. A test well indicates it could be the biggest new domestic oil discovery since Alaska’s Prudhoe Bay a generation ago”

  84. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Darth
    Well excuse the fuck out of me for not knowing the details of our fighting. I’m not in the military, which is obvious.

    No. You’ve got an internet connection, so you’ve no excuse. It’s that simple.

    I’ve read enough of your comments to know you’re a liberal, and I’ve seen enough people school you to know you’ve got no excuse by now to be ignorant of the conditions in Iraq.

    And nobody waxed profane with you, so cool your jets, missy.

  85. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    OTOH,

    I could be open to slapping you a little, but only on a strictly recreational basis, mind you.

  86. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PsycoChick:

    Wil
    Way back in the dawn of time,

    Damn. I knew I was getting old, but I didn’t think I was quite considered a contemporary of “Sheets” Byrd, yet. :-)

    you made a comment about going medieval on their asses in Iraq. I thought we were fighting pretty hard. And then it seems like you said that later (fighting hard). Can you clarify?

    Our Soldiers / Sailors / Marines / Airmen / Coasties / Reservists of every stripe are indeed fighting. Very hard, and within the crippling Rules Of Engagement, very well.

    Unfortunately, due to the ROE currently in place, they are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. As one example, if a Squad of Marines on patrol in Dyalla come under fire from a Mosque, they are not allowed to fire back until they receive permission, which can take upwards of an hour (since the permission must come from both Iraqui and American higher headquarters. The proper answer is to level the Mosque with the Terrorists inside. Immediately. Other examples abound.

    I understand that there are political considerations in some cases, but prosecuting Soldiers (etc.) for minor violations of stupid rules has a somewhat debilitating effect on the attitude and fighting spirit.

    These “insurgents” our Soldiers are fighting are, for the most part, non-uniformed, irregular, free lance, Foreign import terrorists who are not fighting under any recognized flag or the authority of any party to the “conflict”. Strict interpretation of the Rules of War as laid out in the various Geneva and Hague Conventions and Protocols would require that they be summarily tried and executed. In the Field. At the time of capture. Any American Commissioned Officer, and most Warrant Officers are, by definition, allowed to preside at such a Summary Courts Martial.

    Yes, that means a 90-Day-Wonder Butterbar would be allowed to try and execute these terrorists, immediately after capture.

    If this were happening, you can bet we would have known about it by now. And the proper execution of a war requires such things.

    Go to “EjectEjectEject” and read “Sanctuary”. Bill Whittle does a much better job of disecting this subject than my poor talents allow.

  87. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PsycoChick:

    My bad - I should have given you a link for that:

    It’s facinating, but quite long, and in two parts. Visit soemtime when you have at least an hour, uninterrupted. You won’t close it until you are done.

  88. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    I second Wil on that. It’s a terrific essay.

  89. tvfoh Comment by tvfoh

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    I love Bill Whittle’s writing, I’ve asked him if I ever ran for president world he be my s speech writer.

    this site is why I started a Blog, Bill’s is the level of logic i aspire to.

    TVFOH

  90. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    PC,

    If you read NOTHING else today, I recommend reading “Sanctuary.” I believe you will come away with a new appreciation for our armed forces.

  91. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    After “Sanctuary” (and after you take a break to absorb it), try reading “Magic”, where he gives a good explanation of why conservatives hate Noam Chomsky, among other things.

  92. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Thanks guys! (esp Wil) Have it bookmarked, but will wait to read until my brain is in working better.

    Darth
    Sorry to swear at you, but it was a very snarky post. Except for Michael Yon, it’s hard for me to know which particular source is the best to read on the war.

  93. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    PC (Mheh, that funnee)

    Sorry couldn’t resist. Being one of our resident “liberals” that really talks and listens, I just had to get a dig in (I feel better now and I’ll restrain it in the future). Keep the open mind, read the links provided and come back with guns ablazing. Most here love debate when backed up by fact.

    Of course, if you found out that you have been led astray up to now, you are allowed to admit it. you’re welcome either way.

    Back to the topic:
    Do make it a point read Whittle’s essays. The man write better than any of us could ever hope. I’m usually teary about half way through anything he writes because it is directed right at the core of what we are about and what we hope to be.

  94. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Psycochick:

    Anything I can do to help a lady.

    You do, of course realize that we are gonna turn you into one of the Eeeevil KKKonservatives, right?

    Seriously, go to read this when you really don’t have to be anywhere for a while. Bill’s writings (and they are all good) kinda grab you and don’t let go of your eyeballs for a while.

    And DO NOT try to read two or more of his essays at one sitting. It will give you Brain Lock. They are that powerful.