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More honest scientists are coming forward pointing out the asinine ‘alternatives’ espoused by the Global Wormening crowd, in meeting our energy needs while reducing greenhouse gases. The entire issue and the proposed ’solutions’, primarily massive reductions in the use of carbon based fuels, is a classic placing of the cart before the horse. The Gorebots want, no DEMAND !! world action and legislation, yet viable substitute energy sources are limited. Of course the left has their favorite ‘green’ substitutes, none of which could meet even a fraction of an industrial economy.

Renewable energy could ‘rape’ nature

Ramping up the use of renewable energy would lead to the “rape of nature”, meaning nuclear power should be developed instead. So argues noted conservation biologist and climate change researcher Jesse Ausubel in an opinion piece based on his and others’ research.

Ausubel (who New Scientist interviewed in 2006) says the key renewable energy sources, including sun, wind, and biomass, would all require vast amounts of land if developed up to large scale production – unlike nuclear power. That land would be far better left alone, he says.

And we aren’t talking vast acreage for solar or wind power farms, we’re talking vast square mileage.

Renewables are “boutique fuels” says Ausubel, of Rockefeller University in New York, US. “They look attractive when they are quite small. But if we start producing renewable energy on a large scale, the fallout is going to be horrible.”

Instead, Ausubel argues for renewed development of nuclear. “If we want to minimize the rape of nature, the best energy solution is increased efficiency, natural gas with carbon capture, and nuclear power.”
‘Massive infrastructure’

After spending a considerable portion of my adult life in the Nuclear Energy business, it’s amazing to hear the environmental types even mention the evil “N” word.

Ausubel draws his conclusions by analyzing the amount of energy renewables, natural gas, and nuclear can produce in terms of power per square metre of land used. Moreover, he claims that as renewable energy use increases, this measure of efficiency will decrease as the best land for wind, biomass, and solar power gets used up.

Moreover, once the warmeners start seeing the bulldozers leveling their backyards for miles off into the horizon, the screaming will start. Remember the flap over the Cape Cod off-shore wind farm?

Using biofuels to obtain the same amount of energy as a 1000 megawatt nuclear power plant would require 2500 square kilometres of prime Midwestern farm land, Ausubel says. “We should be sparing land for nature, not using it as pasture for cars and trucks,” he adds.

He’s actually being conservative there. Most nuclear facilities are multi-unit plants typically having two reactor plants on site. The last generation of reactor, nuclear steam supply system and generators produce about 1400-1500 megawatts of electricity. Two of these plants at the same site producing nearly 3000 megawatts would fit nicely onto about 50 acres, much of which would be the open areas required for security between the fences and the actual buildings. So using Mr. Ausubel’s thumbrule in a real world example, your average nuclear generating station produces energy that would take 7500 square kilometers. (call it 2900 square miles). The State of Rhode Island has about 1000 square miles in total land area, and Delaware 1955 square miles of land area, to get a good reference on those numbers. I like his thinking and give him a pass on relinquishing highways for cavorting wabbits.

So put simply, it would take a biofuel energy farm the size of both Rhode Island and Delaware to produce 1000 megawatts of juice.

Solar power is much more efficient than biofuel in terms of the area of land used, but it would still require 150 square kilometres of photovoltaic cells to match the energy production of the 1000 MW nuclear plant. In another example, he says meeting the 2005 US electricity demand via wind power alone would need 780,000 square kilometres, an area the size of Texas.

That’s assuming 780,000 square km of land suitable for solar power could be found. As an example, the Pacific Northwest wouldn’t be a good location with it’s normal weather pattern. Also left unsaid in the article is that solar energy requires a storage method (batteries), a technology that hasn’t been developed for a large industrial scale.

Part of the land used in Ausubel’s calculations is for storage and transportation: “Any renewable energy supply needs a massive infrastructure, including steel, metal, pipes, cables, concrete, and access roads.”

Another well considered point and he should have mentioned mile and miles of high-voltage transmission cables and towers as well.

We here in SE Connecticut have a few trash-to-energy plants, and predictably the residents where the plants were sited aren’t real thrilled with a nearly endless convoy of garbage trucks rumbling through their towns daily, along with the odors coming off the plant’s storage areas.

‘Heretical demagogue’

However, other experts who have seen Ausubel’s study are highly critical, both of its conclusions and its inflammatory rhetoric.
[Emph Mine]

Enter, stage left, the screaming, frothing parishioners of the Church of Gore. Inflammatory rhetoric as in stating facts? I guess we can add heretics along with deniers to our list of labels now.

“To have a debate on the various issues is good, but setting himself up as a demagogue with this heretical stuff, takes away from the focus and value of the debate,” says John Turner of the US government’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory.

Another enviro-worming loon making his presence known, I thought I smelled patchouli. Notice the low threshold for a seething response? Ausubel didn’t directly dispute their pet theory, to wit: anthropogenic global warming. What he did point out was the fallacy of their “alternative energy” talking points. What’s happening here is that their weakest point is coming under fire. Meeting the outlandish CO2 and greenhouse gas reductions proposed isn’t possible without: 1) Rolling our economic/cultural clock back a hundred years or 2) Providing a financially acceptable alternative to meet the current and future energy demands. The current talking point is “we’ll just use renewable, green energy to replace those nasty petroleum based fuels“. This article blows up that point, by pointing out that the alternatives are worse environmentally and immediately, than the ‘possible’ damage at some unspecified future date.

Turner says that even if the US got all of its power from solar energy, it would still need less than half the amount of land that has been paved over for highways.

And your point is? Anyway you spin it Turdner, it’s still a tremendous amount of land mass that would need to be sold, or confiscated, developed and maintained.

Further, it need not take up additional land. “We could get a quarter of our energy just from covering rooftops of existing buildings,” he says.

What further land are we talking about Turdner? Not happy with just sounding stupid, he goes for bat-shit insane with the “Great Sea-to-Shining-Sea Solar Panel Rooftop Project™”, unfortunately we’re only short by 75% of our energy needs.

By the way, how would you propose obtaining permission to use those rooftops and pay for the work and materials? Eminent domain? Jackass.

The same “dual use” also applies to wind power. “The footprint for wind is only 5% of the land that it covers,” says Turner. “Farmers can still farm the land that the turbines are on.”

Buuuwaaaaaa….having spent much of my youth living and working in farm country, I can assure you farmers aren’t going to plunk a few hundred large masts in the middle of their fields, with underground electrical transmission cables for each tower. But that’s OK, just load up a few trucks, drive up to the barn and tell that farmer what you’re doing is for his own good. Note to Turner: Verify your life and health insurance benefits are paid before leaving on your mission to save the planet.

Turner says looking solely at land use is an oversimplification of the issue. “I’m not sure I’d want to build one of these nuclear plants in Afghanistan, but we could certainly put in wind and solar power,” he adds.
‘Taboo subject’

I don’t think oversimplification is possible for frothing idiotarians such as yourself, Mr. Windfarm. Nice articulation, “I don’t think I would want to build one of them thar nuklar plant in Afganstan.” I wouldn’t expect you to understand that what you’re implying (making weapons from expended fuel) is technologically and financially beyond the means of all but a few western countries. However, I would encourage terrorists to snatch a few hot fuel assemblies if they get a chance. Hey, Ahmed your head is melting, allahu akbar !!!!

Turner also highlights the risks of nuclear waste storage. “It has to be safely stored for 100,000 years,” says Turner. “To dismiss that as a simple waiting game is totally irresponsible.”

It’s also irresponsible to piss away taxpayers money with never-ending grants that produce junk science, but that hasn’t stopped anyone yet.

Don’t even bring up the nuclear waste issue. The US Department of Energy was tasked by Congress in 1982 under the Federal Nuclear Waste Policy Act to develop a long-term nuclear waste storage facility. A site was chosen but DOE sat on their hands endlessly, fortunately Congress and W kicked them in the ass and they’ve committed to 2017 as an opening date for the Yucca Mountain storage facility. Meanwhile, the nuclear energy industry developed it’s own technology (Dry Cask Storage) for long-term entombment of the really nasty expended fuel rods, at the facilities that are running out of space in their storage pools.

However, public perceptions of nuclear energy are changing. A new study by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, found that 35% of the US population wants to increase nuclear power use. The figure has risen from 28% in 2002.

That’s encouraging, but endless scary stories about radiation perpetrated on the public by the enviro-whacks and the MSM, following Chernobyl and TMI, did their damage.

And not everyone disagrees entirely with Ausubel. The land argument is valid, says David Keith, of the University of Calgary in Alberta, Canada.

“I think the argument is crucial and correct and something the environmental community hasn’t wrapped its head around,” Keith says. “I don’t see any scenario where we won’t have an environmental holocaust from biomass if we rely on it for more than a third of global energy production. But this doesn’t apply to all renewables.”

Another honest scientist steps up to the plate. Yes the Gaia worshiping crowd does have a hard time wrapping their pointed heads around anything, unless it’s to provide the Goreacle with oral services. They’ve publicly stated that they refuse to believe anyone except the Omnipotent Orca, the one true purveyor of all things scientific.

Keith notes that solar power has 10 times the energy density of biomass and its cost is likely to drop as the technology advances.

Correct Keith, but no one is even working on mega-scale solar technology. There isn’t any incentive for private industry to invest billions in new technology.

Ausubel thinks he represents a silent majority of scientists concerned about renewables. “I think I’m saying what many of my colleagues know, but have felt its taboo to say,” he says.

Ausubel also represents a majority of the public, that’s willing to actually think for itself as well as your colleagues, but don’t look for them to come forward to be branded as Heretical Demagogues for speaking the truth anytime soon.

GO NUCLEAR !!!!

63 Responses to “It’s Heresy I Tell You !!”
  1. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    faggots

  2. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    Bravo JB, Bravo. Maybe we can catch up to the fwench in this area.

  3. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    GO NUCLEAR !!!!

    YEAH!!!! :em71:

    (oh, wait a minute, you weren’t talking about al-Medina and Mecca… )

  4. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Shut the Econazis down and build nukes.

  5. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    Great Post JB!
    Right now Nukes are the best choice. If at some future date someone comes up with a viable energy source (and a feasible form of transmitting same), then we can talk about stopping nukes for something realistically better. Until then we use the best hand dealt.

    As an aside, has there been any recent studies on wither or not it would be possible to take the spent rods and such and send them on a one way trip to the sun for disposal?

  6. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    GuyS-

    As an aside, has there been any recent studies on wither or not it would be possible to take the spent rods and such and send them on a one way trip to the sun for disposal?

    As a matter of fact, there have been quite a few studies on long term disposal of high-level waste and yes, IIRC the AEC (yeah way back) was considering glassification of waste into small pellets and launching them out of earth’s orbit. The issue of a launch failure or atmospheric explosion put that to bed early-on, with the vision of thousands of little-bitty hi-rad pellets showering down over a populated area.

    Another interesting project in the late 40’s and early 50’s was the YB-60 Bomber. The project involved using a small reactor to produce super-heated air pushed into conventional turbo-jet engines. The project got jammed up with developing sufficiently light-weight shielding and eliminating a low level radioactive exhaust plume from the engines.

    Guids-

    (oh, wait a minute, you weren’t talking about al-Medina and Mecca… )

    Who said I wasn’t…. :em69:

  7. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Breeder reactors generate their own fuel…..nukes do seem the best bet at this point.

  8. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    Solar looks really good until you find out that current technology can only produce solar panels that capture thirty to fifty percent of the solar radiation that hits them, with the average much closer to thirty than fifty. Large scale solar farms won’t work too well here. At least they wont if they are kept on the ground. Too many people would smash a few panels thinking that it is “great fun”. Not to mention the fact that whatever was living there before won’t be afterwards. You can’t even put them in space because of small rocks and other hazards putting holes in your panels. Not to mention if someone should “accidently” redirect the energy beam down on top of a residential area.

  9. LC Old Dog Comment by LC Old Dog

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    Damn Boss,

    Slapping the Idiots in the face with facts is neither friendly nor nice.

    Wait, thats what I like about you! :em95:

  10. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Even if solar was a hundred per cent efficient, which is impossible, but say ninety-five. It still requires a lot of space. Yes, beam down energy from space, until your house got turned into a cinder thanks to a hungover technician…….or a bill collector….oopsay. It can augment greatly, no question, as could geothermal, tidal, wind and others. I see the wind towers driving Pacheco Pass daily on the one fifty-two coming home from work, But this pipe dream fomented by those hating big companies of breaking up oil cartels like they did AT&T. Ain’t gonna’ happen. Get over it. We make ethanol, now I hear the price of corn will go up, not to mention meat due to increased feed costs. We need oil for plastics, lubricating agents, natural gas for heating and industrial uses, let the nukes produce our power. Thirty years ago I lived within sight of the Rancho Seco nuke plant south of Sacramento. I never noticed any three eyed fish or dogs with glowing toenails……..

  11. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    As an aside, has there been any recent studies on wither or not it would be possible to take the spent rods and such and send them on a one way trip to the sun for disposal?

    I’ve seen it discussed, IB Guy S, but then the banshees start shrieking and screaming Challenger, Columbia, what if it blows up? Chicken Little on crank. Their main goal is to ban nuclear, logic and necessity be damned. I even heard one idiot expound on how it could damage the sun!!! Blew my fucking mind, having studied astronomy for forty years as a hobby I just wrote his ass off as terminally stupid. Frustrated, yelling at him, “The sun radiates two hundred fucking billion megatons of energy per fucking second! Produces even more, used to hold it’s shape against gravity. Converts six hundred million tons of hydrogen to helium per second! And has done so for billions of years! Now how in the fuck can we change that?” Not that I find entrancing the idea of chanting, munching on bean sproust and lawn clippings for the remainder of my life. Yes, they scream it cannot be made safe.
    Ohhh really? Tell that to the dolphins crewing our nuclear submarine fleets. They are stuck hundreds of feet down, for months, their lives dependent on a nuclear reactor. It can be made safe, get the fucking politicians out of the way and elt the engineers do their jobs. Now time to do something entertaining, The Simpsons is playing downtown, so maybe time for a walk…..?
    Rant over.

  12. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Lessee,,, ford alternator in 12v, pressure cooker, fittin’g, and, maybe jet o’ steam will turn a,, water-pump! There’s the pulley for the atlernator,,batteries,,

    And under the cooker we throw,,
    Lot’s and lot’s of junk mail!

    THERE’S a steady flow of free fuel, delivered fresh every day.

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    The State of Rhode Island has about 1000 square miles in total land area, and Delaware 1955 square miles of land area, to get a good reference on those numbers. I like his thinking and give him a pass on relinquishing highways for cavorting wabbits.

    So put simply, it would take a biofuel energy farm the size of both Rhode Island and Delaware to produce 1000 megawatts of juice.

    I’m desperately trying to find a downside to this, and the only thing I can come up with is that we’d have to build a lot of labor camps to house the displaced liberal asshat Blue Staters but, then again, Alaska is rather big and nobody who hasn’t got either antlers or fur wants to live there anyway.

  14. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    As an aside, has there been any recent studies on wither or not it would be possible to take the spent rods and such and send them on a one way trip to the sun for disposal?

    That would be a criminal waste. All of the radioactive components of spent fuel rods have some use … and the amount of natural radioactives we can get at is limited. The main source is in the core and mantle … we only have access to the radioactives that continental drift drags up for us.

    The only reason high level waste is difficult to store is because we aren’t allowed to use heat generating “waste” like Sr-90 to power vehicles or heat homes.

  15. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    RE: Sending waste to the Sun…

    Besides the possibility of a “Catastrophic Event” scattering the waste over a populated area, there is the cost. It costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars per OUNCE to put something into L.E.O. (Low Earth Orbit). You wanna send something out of Earth’s gravity well, the costs go way the hell up. And there are TONS of shit laying around that the egg heads are trying to come up with a way of dealing with.

    Me, I’m all for picking some desolate turd world shit hole, move the people living there to mexico, (the beaners ain’t using it any more anyway) and the starving masses will have an instant 1000% improvement in their lifestyle and we will have a place to dump our shit in.

    That’s basically what NYC is doing with New Jersey…

  16. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    JB sez:

    After spending a considerable portion of my adult life in the Nuclear Energy business

    I take it you’re one of those glow in the dark squids that knows what is on the other side of those “Stay The Fuck Outta Here” signs that grace certain hatches in our nuke Navy???

  17. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    If I lose this post one more time, I’m going to use that axe!

    Jackboot
    wonderful paper–thanks for the thread

    I don’t know why the guy is worried about what his colleagues think. Scientists and environmentalists have been talking about the use of nuclear power for several years now.

    WIND Germany gets much of its energy from wind turbines, but I also think they have nuclear (could be wrong). Some US farmers are happy to have turbines on their land as a source of secondary income. There are NIMBY issues, but they are building a farm up near where I live. And they’ve redesigned them, so they don’t suck up as many birds (will I regret that statement?)

    SOLAR The paper noted that the cost will come down over time. There are some new housing tracts that are all being built with solar panels. It’s too expensive to retrofit right now, although powering your hot water heater with solar is supposed to pay back pretty quickly. The fifth richest billionaire in China makes photovoltaic cells, but their pollution problem is horrendous

    BIOFUELS Brazil powers all of their cars with ethanol, but they get it from sugarcane, which is a fairly easy process. It takes a lot of energy to make ethanol from corn, and then it has to be transported. It’s a pretty fuel intensive process. Plus, as Caveman pointed out, food prices would go up also.

    I don’t how he did his calculations, but it makes sense that green technologies would not be enough to provide all our power, but they could make a dent. I’ve never heard anyone say that they would be able to produce all our power. Caveman I think it’s clear we will need oil, but it would be nice if it were ours and not Middle Eastern.

    So the paper got criticized. The horror! Well, that’s what happens when papers get published (and it’s painful). The debate is what leads to a consensus. It got called “heretical.” Well, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. one of the definitions of heresy is “any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.” This paper qualifies, and I think it’s a good thing.

    Misha
    You keep your hands of Delaware! I grew up there, and my godmother still lives there.

    By the way, the bookstore I was in today had a section of Danish books!

  18. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I think it’s clear we will need oil, but it would be nice if it were ours and not Middle Eastern.

    Amen to that, psychochick. We have enough oil locked up in the Rockies and Gulf of Mexico to last centuries, once it becomes economically viable. We are almost there. But I want it for Americans. I’d love to tell the Arabs to drink it. It would change our trade balance overnight. Aside from Israel, I don’t give a shit about that part of the world. Let China pollute herself to death, evidently well on her way to doing so now. At my meager level, I chose two courses. First being follow the money, as in reducing expenses. The second making necessary investments. A free market gives me choices. I spent ten grand on a brand new HVAC system for this old house. Got some thermal drapes and efficient bulbs. Shades for the front porch to shade from the setting sun. It gets mighty hot here in the summer. But my bill for July was one hundred and thirteen, with the AC running. Got lots of trees here, I planted deciduous so so to allow sunlight in during the winter and blcok it during the summer. Not to mention a great big two foot thick camphor tree right behind my house shading the entire back yard. Not to mention the simple task of turning off lights and such when not needed. My power bills have been reduced by fifty per cent, at least. The point being the market can do these things if the incentives are there. Figure out a way to make a buck reducing pollution and conserving energy, the customers, technologies, jobs and profits will follow. Regulations and controls sought that are simply not necessary.

  19. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    JB.
    I remember reading about the Nuke planes (yes, I am old enough to have read National Geographic when many photos were still in black and white, and it was easier to get a hold of then playboy … And I seem to recall an issue or two of Popular Mechanics in the 50’s or 60’s had more then one article on “Our Friend The Atom” or some such.)

    As for the scare (real or imagined) involving the “spent” fuel rods (wither they were in pellet or some other form) before they made it into space and sent on a trajectory towards the Sun. Yes, that to my best recollection was the big concern. I was curious wither there had been some thought, provided a cost effective means could be found to do so, of resurrecting this as a possibility?
    (I know there is some work being done by DOD and MIT amoung others with propulson systems based on theoretical physics/math done by a german back in the 40’s amd 50’s) Sorry to slightly derail the thread…

  20. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Psychochick

    Brazil powers all of their cars with ethanol, but they get it from sugarcane,

    And, IIRC, they converted massive amounts of their arable farmland to do it, thus driving up food prices in the cities.

    To compensate for this, we have small farmers going out and doing “slash and burn” agriculture in the, (you guessed it!), Amazon Rain Forest.

    This is the downside to the biofuels operation that is not mentioned very often. Yes, there is a lot of screaming aobut the Amazon Basin deforestation problems, but what is driving the deforestation is the displacement of small farmers from food growing areas so that these small farms couild be converted to the production of sugarcane for fuel, instead of grains for food.

    At least with ethanol from corn, it is possible to use the residue as cattle feed. (Actually, I understand that it is better feed for meat production due to a higher protein content versus carbohydrate content.)

  21. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Ah, those were the days, I remember them too. I have wondered if there was some way to use nuclear waste as rocket fuel in deep space. It seems a shame to simply bury it, there is energy locked up there. I doubt you could in the atmosphere, but I am not a nuclear physicist so I do not know.

  22. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Misha
    You keep your hands of Delaware! I grew up there, and my godmother still lives there.

    Alright then, PC, I’ll make an exception for your godmother. After all, somebody has to stay behind to admire the windmills and solar panels covering every square inch of the state.

    By the way, the bookstore I was in today had a section of Danish books!

    Good grief! Considering the size of the target demographic, I wouldn’t call that a very wise marketing decision ;) I am flattered, however.

  23. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Typical shallow thinking by the libtards. Everything’s about skin color, not the deep value of individuals; it’s the gun, not the underlying motivations of the user; etc. Don’t fool yourselves–oil and gas do run out. I’ve seen it done in southern Arkansas and northern Louisiana. Ever heard of the Smackover trend? It’s a significant part of petroleum history, but it is history. We’ve got to get going with alternative sources, but like most things, sharp application of Occam’s Razor leads to simpler, rather than more complex and costly solutions. Despite all the really bad shit Nukes can deliver, they fundamentally deliver the energy we need at a reasonable cost and risk. Would we like to have something more “green”? Sure. Is it available–F no. Time to get over it.

  24. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Misha
    There is a tourist trap called Solvang that was settled by a lot of Danish people and is built like a pseudo-Danish village. Hence, the Danish books (and hand-made chocolate to die for and go broke on)

  25. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    Yeah, I’ve been to Solvang, not too far from Santa Barbara. My parents seemed to like this “tourist trap” well enough.

    Caveman, it’s interesting & unexpected that you’ve also studied the world’s oldest science.

    If a workable space elevator ever gets installed, sending waste into space may become less hazardous. And I see the Pentagon is showing interest in at least some limited space-based power stations–a concept some think might prove workable on a large scale. Having said that, I still like the concept of nukes. IIRC the 100K years remark is an exaggeration; I think it’s more like 10K. Now, if some leftoids want to pay for it, I’d be glad to set up a winter residence at Yucky Mtn! :em93:

  26. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Misha
    There is a tourist trap called Solvang that was settled by a lot of Danish people and is built like a pseudo-Danish village. Hence, the Danish books (and hand-made chocolate to die for and go broke on)

    Ah, I didn’t know that you were close to that town. No, I’ve never been, but if I’m ever in that neck of the woods, I just might out of curiosity. :)

  27. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Xystus
    Wow! I didn’t think anyone on this blog would have been there. I hope I didn’t insult you with the tourist trap thing. The shops are nice. And the restaurants make me very happy by serving pickled herring. It’s fun to go wine-tasting there.

    Did you ever get my very late-night post that to mix your colors for the idiot hat for Harley would give the noxious color of chartreuse?

  28. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Guido
    You are so damn knowledgable.

    Actually, I wonder if the better feed for the cows would have them belching less and contributing less CO2 to the atmosphere.

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    Trust me, you do not want to put radioactive wastes permanently out of reach. They’re highly energetic; that’s why they’re dangerous to handle. And some day, we’ll know how to employ that energy for our own purposes, rather than just shielding ourselves from it.

    Something like the Yucca Mountain depository is an excellent idea, provided it’s coupled with sustained research into the power-generating possibilities of non-fissionable radioactives.

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  31. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Free energy!

    Actually, I wonder if the better feed for the cows would have them belching less and contributing less CO2 to the atmosphere.

    NO-WAIT!
    Cattle and hogs are fourlegged, freakin’ methane geysers! Pump em’ up with pintobeans!

    (scurries off to grab tanks, compressor, plastic bags n’ duct tape,,)

  32. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Bring back the buffalo, Cheapshot, a hell of a lot bigger than a cow and more of them at one time. Politically correct pollution. Funny thing though, the indians never seemed to have a big problem with this…….

  33. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Caveman
    There’s was a kiosk in Bear Butte S.Dakota , kinda warning ’bout bison to tourists,, ‘Showed a video of a buff’ cow launching a stupid tourist higher into a tree than any bull or bronc has ever chucked any cowboy.

    I’ll let someone else tape that sucker’s ass..

  34. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I don’t doubt it for a second, Cheapshot….I saw some buffalo in Golden Gate Park in SFO long ago, just a fence and three feet of air between us. Awesome, beautiful creatures. Don’t fuck with them….I gotta’ hand it to those men that hunted them with spears and arrows. No doubt a high risk occupation.

  35. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    #16 Mo Buddy -

    I take it you’re one of those glow in the dark squids that knows what is on the other side of those “Stay The Fuck Outta Here” signs that grace certain hatches in our nuke Navy???

    Why as a matter of fact, I was and continued charging up the glow for 20+ year as a civilian type. But it’s only certain parts that glow and the wimmin folk find it quite amusing.

    :em93:

    Solvang? I passed through that little berg, years and years ago on my way to another duty station. Tourist trap indeed, but I do recall a restaurant on the outskirts of town that was very good.

  36. Unregistered Comment by allen29palms

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    It doesn’t really take rocket science to figure iut that vanity-fuels are hugely inefficient both in the production, transportation, and lower outputs of same. Another hoax being perpetuated on American Taxpayers to pry subsidies from our wallets. Simple laws of physics dictate that anytime energy is converted (transduced) from one form to another there must be a loss, and energy must be consumed to facilitate this process!
    I learned long ago to question motives! I.E. Who stands to gain, or loose money from these con-job ventures?

  37. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    Xystus
    Wow! I didn’t think anyone on this blog would have been there. I hope I didn’t insult you with the tourist trap thing. The shops are nice. And the restaurants make me very happy by serving pickled herring. It’s fun to go wine-tasting there.

    Actually my parents liked the place enough that they brought the whole family there a few years later (in ‘91) as part of a longer tour.

    Did you ever get my very late-night post that to mix your colors for the idiot hat for Harley would give the noxious color of chartreuse?

    Sorry, Psychochick, I missed that. I suppose the Empire can still decide what color fool’s cap Smarmy Waste should wear; real Charteuse is for drinking! :em93: (Disclaimer: I think I actually tried it once, but that was 29 years ago & I don’t recall how it tasted [Senator], so this ain’t necessarily an endorsement.)

  38. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    JB sez:

    But it’s only certain parts that glow and the wimmin folk find it quite amusing.

    I sez:

    :em99: :em99: :em99:

  39. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Psychochick

    You are so damn knowledgable.

    I read a lot, hon.

    Cheapshot

    Cattle and hogs are fourlegged, freakin’ methane geysers! Pump em’ up with pintobeans!

    If you want a bit of “red-neck tech” fun, see if you can find a copy of “The British Diesel Engine Catalog, 1949″. In it, (and don’t remember who the manufacturer was, but it was about two-thirds of the way through), was an engine DESIGNED to run on diesel/methane in combination. The suggested usage was for sewage treatment plants, where the sewage was tanked, and the fermentation products, (the methane), were trapped and fed into a carburetor.

    After the intake and compression cycle, a small amount of diesel was injected into the pre-chamber to act as a “sparkplug”. This was suggested as a method to use the sewage to provide the process power for it’s own treatment.

    While I don’t know whatever happened to this sort of power production, I understand that there is a dairy farm here in the states using methane production for their electrical needs. Don’t remember where it is, though…

    (Nothing quite like posting something almost ten hours after you wrote it, eh?)

  40. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Solvang

    Folks spent two days there back in the late seventis, early eighties. I was in and out in about four hours, mid eighties. Would have liked to spend more time, but I was on supposed to be in Seattle the next day. (I (sorta) made it…)

    Want to go back some day, just don’t know when it’s gonna happen…

  41. Unregistered Comment by Draven32

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    Wife and I spent New Year’s in Solvang. They roll up the roads at 8 pm, but the Chumash casino three miles away doesn’t….

    Keith notes that solar power has 10 times the energy density of biomass and its cost is likely to drop as the technology advances.

    Correct Keith, but no one is even working on mega-scale solar technology. There isn’t any incentive for private industry to invest billions in new technology.

    Solar still requires large amounts of space- Powering NYC would require an array the size of Manhattan, and that’s assuming that the cells are 35% efficient…

    The only place we can spare that much space is beamed power from orbit.

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    ooo…. that got mangled.

  43. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Guys–I’m kind of in shock. I didn’t think any one (except maybe Misha would have heard of Solvang. If anyone is coming out that way, let me know, and I’ll buy you lunch or dinner. (Least I can do for being an annoying liberal.) I’d offer to put you up, but my spouse hates this blog, and the dog might eat you (or at least growl at you if you dared to sit on the couch).

  44. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Between all of us, psychochick, we have been just about everywhere…..

  45. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    The only place we can spare that much space is beamed power from orbit.

    Microwave transmitter focus is the bottleneck on that project.
    The vandal-free arrays would weather better, ‘cept maybe them mach x40 rocks zngin’ around,, and the corrosive effect the harvested energy would cause during a focus drift would have to folks around the reiciever site..
    ‘Figurin’ how to focus on a stationary Earth target from a geo-sync’ed (parked overhead) orbit would take it through Earth’s shadow.
    A sunny polar orbit would require the transmitter to either wait for reciever to come into range, or aternate other recievers.
    Storing energy for a pulse could be possible if reciever availability is intermittant , but who know’s what kind of disruptions elelctronc, atmospheric,,ad ho-hum,,that kind of directed microvave energy would be capable of.

    The energy’s up there, who get’s it down will know power.

  46. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    Once you realize that the libtards are not after providing power in an environmentally friendly fashion (like they want us to believe), but instead desire to put the peons (that’s us) in our place, you attain enlightenment on the motive for every libtard pronouncement of ecological doom.

    Sorry that was kind of run-on, but you get the idea.

  47. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    MegaTroopX
    Supplemental use of green technologies is quite environmentally friendly (except for the ethanol fuel). No one is talking of paving the country over with solar cells. How on earth do you go from there to being a peon? For the life of me, I can’t see the logic.

  48. Tsubaki Shijuro Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro

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    I’ve been to Solvang too! A few times, actually.

  49. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Tsubaki
    If you do come back, let me know–I’ll buy you a meal, and we can discuss ideologies. I’m sure that would sound dreadful to a lot of people.

    (The bouncing orange umbrella really gets on my nerves–sign that the back-up is working)

  50. Tsubaki Shijuro Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro

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    psychochick
    Thanks for the invite.

    Hey, most of what I spend my day doing sounds dreadful to a most people, hahaha…

  51. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    The point I was trying to make, PC, was against the utilization of “environmentalism” as a beatstick of class warfare.

    I have no problem with Al Gore having a ginormous house that uses 1.21 gigawatts of power a month*. I have no problem with him utilizing a private jet. We’re a capitalist society. If he can afford that, he can have it.

    What I do have a problem with is him, and people like him, immediately turning around and berating people like me and you, and everyone else here, for driving to work, instead of taking the bus or driving a Pious Prius** like good little untermenschen.

    It’s not about energy independence. We’d be using our own domestic sources if it were. It’s not even about the environment. If it were, then we would be using more nuclear power, the only other option that works at an energy profit (more power is extracted than goes into production). But that isn’t what it’s about.

    If someone were to slip the Als of the world a little Veritaserum, you’d probably hear something like this:

    “Look, you morons. We don’t want you to change the way you get power, we want you to use less power! We, the Deserving, will use what we want, and give you what we think you need.”

    Scratch a Green, find a Red. Everything else is spin.

    Is supplementing with things like solar a Good Thing? Yes. There is in fact a scale by which species advancement is measured, predicated on the percentage of available energy it can use.

    Just don’t be suckered into believing that’s what the Anthropogenic Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change movement is about.

    I just went over what it’s about. It’s about those who believe they are on top, and don’t want company. It is about people for whom ideas are more important than lives.

    -

    * I do have a problem with Silky Pony’s monstrosity in Orange County, however. Not because I begrudge him a big house (mmm, too complex to go into now), but because it’s a grotesque bleeding sore on the North Carolina landscape. It is indicative of the very attitude I’m trying to get across here. “How dare you question my ecological patriotism?!”

    ** Anyone who thinks I’m cramming my 6′ 6″ frame into one of those things can have a chat with me and my friend Slugger, up from a town in Kentucky. Get the point? :em08:

  52. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Mega
    Thanks–it makes sense to me now. Please don’t beat me, but my 6′4″ husband drives a pod. He prefers it to my older one, which he does find cramped. We really like them–we bought the first one way before Al Gore was talking about global warming. I keep taking shit here for having one. It’s a free country, and I’ve only seen one up here with a bumper sticker.

    How could you post such a hideous link? I’ll be traumatized.

    I really don’t think I’m being suckered. See, I don’t deal with Al Gore for global warming info. I deal with articles in science journals. –deleted–don’t want to argue!– You’re right-it’s not about energy independence. I think we should seriously consider nuclear power. To me, this is a science and policy issue, and yours has been the only explanation that makes sense to me on why this is such an ideological issue, so thanks for coming back and posting. I will save your post.

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    pshychochick-

    We live in L.A.

    I’m 6′2″ and heavy. I find any ’small’ car cramping- which is critical with how messed up my legs are.

    Driving back from Solvang killed my old car- DOA, but at least we made it home.

  54. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Draven
    I’m sorry your car died. I’m glad you made it home. Our wonderful Toyota Corolla threw a rod in Cambria–horrible sound and then the car stopped.

    I guess I’ve never thought about fitting into cars before Mega mentioned it. I’m 5′4″ My issue has more to do with being rotund, but we don’t need to talk about that.

  55. MegaTroopX Comment by MegaTroopX

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    yours has been the only explanation that makes sense to me on why this is such an ideological issue, so thanks for coming back and posting. I will save your post.

    Glad to be of service. :em69:

    Learning new stuff - It’s what we’re here for.

    I keep taking shit here for having one.

    It’s not that I think they’re a bad thing (mileage is important), it’s the ones who act like they’re “saved” for owning one. I mean, for goodness sake.

    How could you post such a hideous link?

    I know, isn’t it awful? Who’s he trying to impress? Passing aircraft? Space aliens? Dude, have your people chill with the chainsaws already. :em95:

  56. Unregistered Comment by ptah

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    Greetings all. sorry to have not come into the conversation lately. Doing much research at the Imperial War College.

    Excellent post, Jackboot!

    Actually, there happen to be several viable options capable of handling nuclear waste. Burying it is the stupidest course. The Euros reprocess it so the volume is reduced, but Jimmy “dumbass” Carter, who should know better on a lot of subjects, shut that project down.

    The best option is reprocessing plus nuclear incineration. You reprocess to extract the plutonium and really long lived stuff, dilute with Uranium 238 (AKA depleted Uranium) and form pellets. Put the pellets into another nuclear reactor (the incinerator), and cook. The power produced from the incinerator can be sold or used to power the recycling system.

    “Wait!” you may protest, “won’t the incinerator produce waste?”

    Actually, yes, and no. That’s because nuclear waste is UNIQUE. It’s uniqueness is that the amount of waste produced is proportional to the power LEVEL, not the amount of power produced. In other words, the amount of nuclear waste in a reactor operating after two years is the same amount produced after two months. For you scientific types, the reasons is that the neutrons used to produce fission (and thus waste) ALSO are absorbed by the WASTES, causing them to FISSION FURTHER. The waste is initially destroyed at a lower rate than it is produced because there’s LESS of it at the beginning. Eventually, the concentration rises to a point where, at a given power, the amount being destroyed per minute equals the amount being produced per minute, achieving equilibrium. The REVERSE also works: The concentration of the waste from 10 nuclear reactors in ONE reactor is way above the equilibrium concentration, so the rate of destruction is HIGHER a the beginning in an incinerator than the rate of production, and the concentration goes down. Which means that the wastes disappear. Since fission always produces atomic nuclei of SMALLER atomic weight, the process produces waste of small atomic numbers, and their half-lives are measured in days or years, not decades or centuries.

    This methodology was outlined in the 80’s. The problem has always been that the problems are not technical, but political. Some people have an interest in prologing problems, not solving them.

  57. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    A few random points:

    1) Current efficiency for mass-production solar cells is about 15%. If it was as high as 30% with the current costs, people would be buying them in droves, because right now, they are at just about the break-even point in cost/savings if you include all the ancillary equipment to connect it to the grid and have overnight storage, amortized over 15-20 years, and they generally come with a 25 year warranty.

    2) I think a lot of farmers would be quite happy to let power companies rent some of their land for putting up windmills (and the cables could be buried 6ft deep - no one would cultivate that deep, so the farmers wouldn’t have to worry about them). This would present a stable income source, which would help level out any year-to-year fluctuations in crop yields.

    3) Space-based solar panelshave been designed to take into account damage from micrometeoroids, so the only real considerations as far as damage is concerned is the remote possibility of a larger meteor hitting a support structure. Replacement panels would need to be placed on about a 20-30 year rotating schedule. Of course, the cost of such a thing would prohibit building it without either a space elevator or a moon base capable of manufacturing them (due to the lower launch costs from the moon).

    4) Um, how are biomass fuels supposed to reduce Gorebal Warming? Combustion of Methane, Methanol, Biodiesel, and Ethanol all produce CO2, right? Or is there some sort of magical CO2 cancellation that occurs because it’s being produced “naturally”?

    5) If they were enough above the break-even point to be commercially viable, I could think of lost of places where solar panels could be located where they wouldn’t take up “green space”, such as over parking lots. This wouldn’t help the heavily urbanized areas much, but outside those areas, it would still take a load off the overall fuel consumption and bring down energy prices.

    Oh, and PC - As far as the small cars go, between my fat ass and legs that are unnaturally long for my 6′ 1″ height, I haven’t really found a car I can be comfortable in since I got rid of my ‘75 Olds Vista Cruiser station wagon. Surprisingly, for such a large car, with a big honkin’ V8, I still got 18 mpg. Now I drive about the smallest car I can fit into, a Ford Escort. And I limp when I get out after a long drive.

  58. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    ptah - I’ve never seen that process mentioned before, sounds VERY interesting. Damn, I was reading stuff on nuclear reactors about the time that the regulations choked off the building of new reactors. I guess that had something to do with it.

  59. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    WayneB

    I think a lot of farmers would be quite happy to let power companies rent some of their land for putting up windmills

    It is my understanding, however, that most windmills (of the power generation variety), produce sufficient turbulence to break up the boundary layer at the surface, thus increasing soil moisture evaporation. This would require either a change in crop strategies, or if changing plantings is not feasible due to the specific geographic area, increased irrigation. The ideal crop structure below a wind farm would probably be pasturage, not grains/legumes. Possibly alfalfa, brome grass, or prairie hay, since these are “plant it and forget it’s”. (ie. they are not tilled under and replanted from year to year. Although much alfalfa is irrigated. However, these are cattle feeds, PITA PETA would not be happy… And definitely not row crops, since these tend to be heavily irrigated anyway.

    As far as the small cars go, between my fat ass and legs that are unnaturally long for my 6′ 1″ height, I haven’t really found a car I can be comfortable in since I got rid of my ‘75 Olds Vista Cruiser station wagon.

    I’m 6′5″, 260lbs, 36″ inseam. I find I’m quite comfortable in just about any SAAB 99/900 (1969 to 1989 model years). Also, older Mercedes Benz cars, (before that awful little 190E in the early ’80s) seem to have been designed for big ass people like myself. And either is quite comfortable for a long drive. If it has a sunroof, however, it does tend to cut into the headroom just a bit. ^waiting for the flaming to start^

    One last little word of warning. There is no price advantage, (except for the initial purchase outlay), in owning an older MB. And finding someone competent to work on an older SAAB can can be just a bit dicey. (The new ones are General Motors products in reality, so that is not as much of an issue.)

  60. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Guido
    I could be wrong, but I thought the farmers were renting out land that they weren’t currently using for crops.

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    Psychochick

    Around here, the generation companies are buying up land and building windfarms. To my knowledge, (I haven’t been out by Beaumont recently), the space below the windmills is not being used for anything. I was discussing this in terms of using operational farmland for the erection of windmills. Some factors to take into consideration is that the leases for the farmland would have to be VERY long-term, and what happens to the hardware in the event of, say, a tornado that leveled the installation, or if the generating company were to go into bankruptcy?

    The operators of the windfarms would prefer to actually own the site under their hardware for these very reasons.

    Now, I don’t know how these are operated in other areas, possibly farmers are writing long-term leases on Conservation Reserve Program* lands. Although I actually don’t think that they legally could. CRP is such a complicated mess that I don’t think anyone really knows what you can and can’t do on it.

    (*I think that is what CRP translates to, it’s been so damned long since I had to personally deal with that damned program that I honestly don’t remember anymore…)

  62. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Guido
    You clearly know a lot more than I do. I guess I was thinking of ranchers with spare land they weren’t using leasing on a fairly small scale as supplemental income, but now that I think about it, whatever it was that I read didn’t say they weren’t taking crops out of production. I don’t know where I read that, though, and I don’t think it’s going to pop out of my brain anytime soon. (There seems to be a layer of sludge in there that traps things). The main windfarms out here are on purchased property, too, and are huge (and really bizarre the first time you see them). I’m on the Central Coast of Cal.

    I have no idea where you are. I debated looking up Beaumont, but I suspect there are multiples.

  63. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    I guess I was thinking of ranchers with spare land they weren’t using leasing on a fairly small scale as supplemental income,

    The problem with windfarming is that it really is not efficient on a small scale. I forget the actual separation numbers, but a set of 100 windmills, (which is about the minimum practical), makes for a site five to ten miles, (or more), across.

    A friend of mine is currently driving a concrete truck on a windfarm site in Nebraska. He says that the absolute worst thing about the job, (other htan the insane hours, but he’s making good cash out of it as compensation), is that the speed limit on the job site is 20mph, and you get fired for speeding. He informed me that it could be an hour or more to get from the mixer to the pad.

    I debated looking up Beaumont, but I suspect there are multiples.

    I don’t even know that you would get a hit on “Beaumont wind farm”. I’ll have to try it after my next restart. I’m in Kansas, outside Wichita.