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Yes, it is time for another installment of DJ’s Totally Off-Topic, Open Thread. This is where you come to talk about totally unrelated stuff so you won’t clog up the other topic-oriented threads.

164 Responses to “DJ’s Totally Off-Topic, Open Thread #3”
  1. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    Hollywood Flashback: Robert Mitchum shares his thoughts on “Redeployment” along with his plan for world peace. No comment from Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, et al.

  2. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Conversation Starter

  3. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Nurse Ratchet To The Rescue

  4. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    :em99: :em99: :em99: “Zunephone” :em99:
    And as for you BC :em38: the first is :em72: but the second 1 is :em34: :em95: :em69:
    and if you havent noticed im a bit smilie happy today! :em94:

  5. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Robert Mitchum says what needs to be said about Islamic Terrorists today.

    EXCELLENT

    hOOt

  6. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Ohhh Deeej..reme’ber that little debate a few threads ago about the spirt of the law vrs the letter of the law…Well dag nabbit I’ve been quite the busy beavy over here, and well you know how us eveilbushhaliburtonhitler contractors are..always busy stealing oil and killing “brown people”.

    Anyhow I got home from my normal right wing death beast duties and lo and behold..G-d left me a lil E-present in my E-mail..

    Arguing for its ratification, Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist No. 81, notes, “[T]here is not a syllable in the [Constitution] which directly empowers the national courts to construe the laws according to the spirit of the Constitution, or which gives them any greater latitude in this respect than may be claimed by the courts of every State.”

    Hmmm there’s one Founding Father that seems to directly contradict your assertion that the Federalist Papers tell us the drafters beleived in the the “spirt of the law” concept No?

    Entire Article here

    Care for me to research this a little further?? :em94:

  7. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    so you won’t clog up the other topic-oriented threads.

    Wait! We have TOPICS here? All this time i just thought this was free-for-all city!

  8. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Robert Mitchum?

    I thought we weren’t suppose listen to those air-headed Hollywood celebrities who know nothing about the outside world.

    Just askin’

    Robert Mitchum says what needs to be said about Islamic Terrorists today.

    He certainly wasn’t talking about Islamic terrorists in 1966. He was asked whether we should get out of Vietnam, and being a veteran of the last war we actually won, his answer was predicable — for 1966.

    We spent twelve years in Vietnam — at least ten years longer than we should have.

    When Liberals compared Bush’s Iraq folly to Vietnam way back in 2002, we were called traitors, and how dare we make such analogies. We told you it would end up as a quagmire — just like Vietnam.

    Now you have to revert back to a dead actor giving his opinion of a war that lasted ten more years after his comments?

    We were lied into escalating the war in Vietnam by LBJ, just as we were lied into this war in Iraq, instead of finishing the job we set out to do in Afghanistan. (unless it was your goal to let Osama get away, increase production of poppies to record highs, and then eventually let the Taliban come back, stronger than ever.

    Everyone was united towards getting Osama Been Forgotten — that was when people started enlisting and re-enlisting in the military. Pat Tillman was indicative of the attitude at the time when he enlisted.

    But he never signed on to fight in Iraq, and he was getting pretty vocal about it, which might have possibly contributed to his “friendly fire” death. (I say might, because it is possible, but any evidence confirming or disproving the allegation was conveniently destroyed as the circumstances of his death were initially covered up)

    If you ask ME, the resident Liberal here, whether we should leave Iraq, here would be my answer:

    Yes, and no.

    Yes, we should leave Iraq as soon as possible — depending on when it is going to be possible.

    No, we shouldn’t pack up all of our stuff and leave immediately, because that is going to cause more problems than it will solve.

    We are never going to find a political or diplomatic solution with Bush in office — and that is what it is going to take to be able to walk away without everything going to hell over there. When Bush says he intends to stay in Iraq as long as he is president, he really means that he has no intention of trying to end the occupation and violence over there.

    The next administration is going to have to talk to Iraq’s neighbors, and negotiate for assistance in calming down the different factions within the borders of Iraq. It is really the only way we are going to find a permanent solution to the problems over there. Being the military bully over there is not working, nor will it ever work. It never has.

  9. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    On a better note:

    John Couey has been sentenced to death.

    I hope this one doesn’t take 16 years to execute.

  10. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    And on a somewhat silly note:
    Nicole Ritchie didn’t even make it to her jail cell before she was released, complete3ly shattering Paris Hilton’s “Celebrity Justice” record.

    82 Minutes. Wow.

  11. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Hi, Dave:

    Yes, we should leave Iraq as soon as possible — depending on when it is going to be possible.

    No, we shouldn’t pack up all of our stuff and leave immediately, because that is going to cause more problems than it will solve.

    Kinda thought that’s what we have been sayin’. I don’t remember anyone seriously advocating just taking over.

    When it will be possible seems to be the sticking point. Most of the problems are being caused by outside islamist terrorists. We have an obligation to help the Iraquis to a stable Government and the ability to defend themselves, don’cha think?

    After all, we are still in Germany, Japan and Italy. Hell, I’m not sure sometimes how stable OUR Government is after 231 years, what with all the Libruls whining and moaning all the time . . .

    :em93:

    I’m willing to be patient a bit longer.

  12. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    But he never signed on to fight in Iraq, and he was getting pretty vocal about it, which might have possibly contributed to his “friendly fire” death. (I say might, because it is possible, but any evidence confirming or disproving the allegation was conveniently destroyed as the circumstances of his death were initially covered up)

    Tin Foil Hats!!..getyerr tin foli hats here! Tin Foil Hats..getyer tin foil hats here folks… :em98:

  13. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    New video!

    I’da been somewhat put out, myself. To the point where I may have permanently disuaded this pervert from his nasty habits.

  14. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Most of the problems are being caused by outside islamist terrorists.

    Bzzzzzzt! Sorry, but most of the problems are internal bickering between the three major factions in Iraq. It is the issue of reunification of the three factions that we have to solve before there is going to be any kind of peace in Iraq.

    The “outside” influences come from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria in support for their ‘brothers’ of two of the three major factions. Turkey has Kurds that support the Kurds in the North.

    Frankly, I don’t see a possiblility of a ‘coalition’ government being sustained in Iraq. There is way too much bad blood going waaaaaay back.

    I see the only real solution is splitting Iraq up into three states, but only with the cooperation of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria. The only way to get that cooperation is to quit threating them with military action, and try a carrot and stick approach.

    Honor is a big thing with the people of the Middle East — it always has been.

  15. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    We told you it would end up as a quagmire — just like Vietnam.

    Yes you did, but it didn’t stop there, giant liberal step are taken daily to MAKE the same thing happen the same way. They WANT TO LOSE!

    Just what has liberal strategy done exactly to help the US side of the situation? (As in winning, not bolting)
    Lib’s have been very busy..
    Pissin’, hissin’ and slimey rhetoric, just what the enemy wants. Great gobs daily.
    What paper doesn’t have a coalition body count?

    All of em’.

    What paper has an enemy combatant bodycount?
    Go,,fish,,

    Whos’ biased? ROFLMFAO!

    Every day, every way every channel, the lib’s are spitting on our stated goals, even the one’s that have been successfully achieved,, all to the enemy’s dancing glee.
    The enemy promised their followers we’d flee from a bloody nose, like before, and the liberals are determined to see to it.

    Traitors. ‘Better to have crackheads for countrymen.
    Just doing nothing, in this case, would get us to the end of the conflict faster and safer.
    But no,,let’s arm the enemy propaganda cannons with the best ammo the liberals can dream n scream.

    Now, just like in Vietnam, the liberals are screaming to cut the military budget, to force our own retreat.
    That’s just treason.

    What plans do they have to keep everything built from unraveling afterwards?

    Snark.
    That’s the plan. Every damn response I get when I ask that question never contains any info,,just snark.
    I don’t see any exit plan from them either, other than just jumping on the bus and abandoning all our allies,, just to show them we’re highminded and civilized..

    How dare they bitch about being called traitors!
    Until I see them take big steps toward fixing the problem, Y’know,, attacking the enemy, rather that ourselves,, traitor is the tattoo that accompanies the cut-n-run liberal philosophy,.
    If it don’t apply to you, you really want to win the GWOT, but still like your liberal badge,, Too bad, you’got some thinkin’ and choosing to do.

    (spit)

  16. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Screwd up my context,
    What paper doesn’t have a coalition bodycount,,
    All of ‘em do!
    Now I gotta try to fix this keyboard.
    ‘Shouldn’t type pissed. Too rough on the equipment.

  17. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    The “internal bickering” is being pumped and armed by terrorists from outside the Country. Left to their own devices, the violence would taper off on it’s own.

    Wanna shut down the suicide bombers? Close Damascus International. 90% of all the bombers are being recruited from North Africa or one of the ’stans. They are flown to Damascus, where they are met by a handler, who takes them to the Syria / Iraq border, where they are handed off to another handler. Within 24 hours of landing - *boom* - in downtown Baghdad.

    Most of the weapons coming in are coming from Iran.

    Hatred is being preached by Saudi Wahabbist Imams, pumping up the tension.

    Does that qualify as outside influence?

    Have you been to Iraq, Dave? Been a few years, but I have, and I still get reports from people I trust more than most of the reporters “in country” and way the hell more than the “Congressional Delegations.”

    Shit is starting to settle down.

    This is a BRAND NEW Country we are talking about. The only thing that hasn’t changed is the borders and the name - for everything else, they are starting from scratch. They have the first written Constitution in their history. They are holding free elections, with pretty good turnout, IMHO, considering the threats the people had to walk past to vote.

    They are starting from scratch. How long would it take you to do something simple as make a nail, if you had to mine the ore and the coal and make the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make the nail? These people are bootstrapping themselves from NOTHING. Abandoning them would be worse than a crime, it would be a sin, and a smear on the honor of this country we would never recover from.

    The anti-war democrats gave away Vietnam after the war had been won. All the noise now from your side of the aisle is because your party wants to have the same stain on the other party. After Vietnam, NO democrat could pull out before 2012, anyway.

    “Osama bin Forgotten”, my ass. He’s a smear of grease and pig shit on a cave wall somewhere.

    And, I’m trying to pass by Pat Tillman, other than to say that that was beneath you.

  18. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Bzzzzzzt! Sorry, but most of the problems are internal bickering between the three major factions in Iraq. I

    Bzzzt,, most of the problems arise from the four major factions OUTSIDE of Iraq.
    syria, iran, the DNC and osama.
    Once they’re out of the way, peace will come sooner.

    Dave has obviously not asked any Iraqi’s what they think of busting up their country, or delved further into that idea than dreamy speculation.
    Hint: the one’s in the south are just not willing to give up the oil in the north..
    The Kurds would love the idea, ’bout got their own country now as it is,,but then there’s that messy relationship they have with turkey.

    Wanna sort some of this out before we start drawing lines on other peoples territory?

  19. chuck Comment by chuck

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    We spent twelve years in Vietnam — at least ten years longer than we should have.

    When Liberals compared Bush’s Iraq folly to Vietnam way back in 2002, we were called traitors, and how dare we make such analogies. We told you it would end up as a quagmire — just like Vietnam.

    Yes, we were in Vietnem too long, just as we have been in Iraq too long. What you fail to mention is that the reason for both cases falls squarely on liberals in the media and government. If they would get the hell out of the way and let our military fight an actual war, it would be over. I am glad our current leaders weren’t in charge in the early forties and that our current media wasn’t covering the war then. I can see the headlines about killing brown people for their sushi, the protests about invading islands in the Pacific because we might adveersely effect some endangered species, and the daily or hourly body counts.
    At that time, the American people were shown patriotic war news reels that advanced American interests. Now, we are stuck with a fifth column that is dedicated to dragging down America, no matter what the cost to them personally, to the people they claim to serve, or to the rest of the world.
    Anynody that truly wants this war to end and is not secretly hoping for an American defeat will agree - It is time to let loose the dogs of war. Any disagrement with that means that in reality they are lying about one of those two statements.

    I see the only real solution is splitting Iraq up into three states, but only with the cooperation of Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria. The only way to get that cooperation is to quit threating them with military action, and try a carrot and stick approach.

    No the only real solution is to kill them with such fervor and efficiency that they realize continued attacks against us and our allies is not ever going to accomplish anything but their irradication. Just as we did to Germany and Japan sixty-odd years ago.

  20. Unregistered Comment by irish19

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    This is a BRAND NEW Country we are talking about. The only thing that hasn’t changed is the borders and the name - for everything else, they are starting from scratch. They have the first written Constitution in their history. They are holding free elections, with pretty good turnout, IMHO, considering the threats the people had to walk past to vote.

    They are starting from scratch. How long would it take you to do something simple as make a nail, if you had to mine the ore and the coal and make the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make the nail? These people are bootstrapping themselves from NOTHING. Abandoning them would be worse than a crime, it would be a sin, and a smear on the honor of this country we would never recover from.

    This is the money quote right here. Once you realize that the Iraquis truly are starting from scratch, all of the rest of it falls into place.
    I do think, however, that the government should have maybe cut their vacations a little shorter given the amount of work needing to be done. Just my $.02.

  21. Unregistered Comment by irish19

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    Should be “Iraqi’s”. PIMF.

  22. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    I do think, however, that the government should have maybe cut their vacations a little shorter given the amount of work needing to be done. Just my $.02.

    And a good point. They should take shorter vacations, and OUR Congress should take longer ones.

  23. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    How is it the liberals fault in the way the war has been handled, since Bush has had a blank check to spend as much as he wanted for many years?

    Perhaps there are a lot of things I don’t know, and if so, I’m sure I’ll find out. I guess there’s the ROE issue (oops–still haven’t read that Whittle article).

  24. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    The “internal bickering” is being pumped and armed by terrorists from outside the Country.

    See, this is the problem with “home skoolin’”. You just don’t get history unless it came out of the Bible.

    The Shiites and the Sunnis have been at each other’s throats since Muhammed shuffled off this mortal coil. It predates there ever being an “Iraq”, “Saudi Arabia”, “Syria”, “Iran” by over a thousand years and then some. To these people, a nation’s border is meaningless when compared to bloodline and clan.

    Where we have troubles remembering why the family shuns Uncle Frank at the family BBQ, these people can tell you every incident that happened within their family and tribe going back a thousand years in vivid detail. They harbor serious grudges that require retribution, because “honor” requires it.

    THIS is what we are up against over there. We try to apply our 21st Century American mindset to a culture that doesn’t follow the same cultural rules. To them, life is something they have to endure while they wait to die and go to paradise. We, on the other hand believe that it is how we live that determines what happens to us after we die, so we place a greater emphasis on our living.

    One thing is for certain: WE are not going to be the solution to peace in the Middle East, and any kind of “model for freedom” we come up with is doomed for failure.

    There might have been a time years ago where we could have been the model of a society to aspire to, but our ACTIONS over the past thirty years has pretty much soured that.

    We should have been leading by example, NOT by military force.

    Bzzzt,, most of the problems arise from the four major factions OUTSIDE of Iraq.
    syria, iran, the DNC and osama.

    First off, our own military estimates of foreign fighters in Iraq is something between 3,000 and 10,000 with the makeup being as follows:

    Saudis — 45%
    Syria — 15%
    Lebanon — 15%
    North Africa — 10%

    That would put Iran somewhere in the “others” list that share the remaining 15 percent.

    Dave has obviously not asked any Iraqi’s what they think of busting up their country, or delved further into that idea than dreamy speculation.

    No, I haven’t asked, but I do read the stories of the ethnic cleansing going on, and the behind the scenes attempts to create ‘territories’ by the Iraqi people.

    Yes, they all would like to have the oil riches, and that is probably the only sticking point that has prevented the sectioning off of the country so far. But don’t think for a moment that the Iraqis haven’t been thinking along these lines, or that even people within our own administration haven’t been thinking seriously of it.

    Here is a question for you:

    When was the last time we won a war through occupation when there was one or more guerilla armies fighting each other and us for control?

    Japan and Germany were vanquished and they accepted our occupation. Iraq hasn’t accepted our occupation, except for a tiny puppet government that as recent as yesterday told us that we could find friends elsewhere.

    What you fail to mention is that the reason for both cases falls squarely on liberals in the media and government.

    Hmmm, let’s see…

    Who has been in charge of this country for the past six and a half years?

    // — insert jeopardy music here –//

    Now let’s go back into the Wayback Machine for a moment to 1969 - 1975 when another Republican with “a plan to end the war” president was in power. Oh, that’s right, another Republican.

    (Yes, LBJ got us in the war in the first place, but Nixon could have gotten us out immediately, but instead had to escallate the war even further before it was determined to be a lost cause)

    The fact is, Democrats haven’t been running a damn thing in this country since January 2001. You can easily argue that they still don’t run anything even though they have statistical control of both houses of Congress.

    So all the blame and/or glory can be put squarely on the shoulders of Conservatives. This is YOUR debacle, not ours.

  25. chuck Comment by chuck

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    How is it the liberals fault in the way the war has been handled, since Bush has had a blank check to spend as much as he wanted for many years?

    While I will give Bush plenty of blame, there is still the fact he is not a dictator and he cannot make decisions ignoring everything else going on. Public opinion, right or wrong, will figure in some. And the simplest, most undeniable fact concerning the war in Iraq is that the liberals in government, the old media. and the new media have done everything they possibly could to turn public opinion away from persecuting the war as a war, just as they did in Vietnam (well, the government and old media anyway). That is why shit that doesn’t even rise to the level of fraternity pranks like Abu Garab (sic?) is shown over and over while important things the public needs to know and remember (the Twin Towers burning, Daniel Pearl beheading, contractors burned and hanging from the bridge in Fallujah) are blocked from being shown as too inflammatory.

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    We were lied into escalating the war in Vietnam by LBJ, just as we were lied into this war in Iraq,…

    Jeebus, Dave, the oft-debunked ol’ “Bush Lied, Little Brown Oppressed People Died!” meme never tires for you, does it?

    I suppose you’ll be calling this fine list of upstanding Donks “liars” as well, right, Dave? *chirp* Dave? Oh, Daaaaave?

    “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

    “I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

    “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

    “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

    “We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

    “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

    “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

    “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

    “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

    “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

    “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

    “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

    “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

    “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

    “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

    You never get tired of having your ass handed to you on a platter, do you?

  27. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    BJ….RM was indeed talking about Vietnam, since we know your gutless ass was never near a war, why not just shut the fuck up? Because like all lefty traitors you don’t have a fucking clue.

    hOOt

    [Why the Hell the Emp lets you even post, let along help run this blog is beyond me….shit for brains you are indeed.]

  28. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    See, this is the problem with “home skoolin’”. You just don’t get history unless it came out of the Bible.

    Then where did you get THIS history?

    Yes, LBJ got us in the war in the first place, but Nixon could have gotten us out immediately, but instead had to escallate the war even further before it was determined to be a lost cause)

    Eisenhower first put in advisers in the 50’s….it was Kennedy that escalated it to a full engagement. Johnson followed with more escalation and micro-managing. Nixon started the drawdown.

    So all the blame and/or glory can be put squarely on the shoulders of Conservatives. This is YOUR debacle, not ours.

    Wow, so much for United We Stand eh? I saw an interview with Congressman Brian Baird (D.-Wa.) today on Al-CNN. He was advocating for a united stand…to end the partisanship and divisiveness. The funny thing was that the caption under him read “Democrat Defects to Bush”….again, so much for United We Stand.

    DJ, if “your side” wants to scrub it’s hands of this campaign, then do so completely…get out of the way and watch. Also, tell your leaders to stay verrry verrry quiet when we win this, your side will have earned absolutely no part of the victory.

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    …increase production of poppies to record highs,…

    I thought you Libruls were all for de-criminalizing drugs? :em99:

    …instead of finishing the job we set out to do in Afghanistan.

    Kicking the shit out of the “government” that was harboring Yomama BendOver? Check.

    (unless it was your goal to let Osama get away,…)

    For the umpteenth time, Dave, Obama Bin Barack, er, Osama Obama, uh, that really tall camel molester was almost as big a camera whore as the Twin Pimps o’ Poverty™, Shakedown & Hymietown. He’s not gonna let Zarqawi and the other low-lifes steal his thunder as Allah’s Handjob Man™. He’s enjoying the tender anal penetration ministrations of a pack of pig-dog hybrids, hung like John Holmes on UltraViagra®, in one of hottest caves in Hell.

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    hOOt sez about DJ:

    [Why the Hell the Emp lets you even post, let along help run this blog is beyond me….shit for brains you are indeed.]

    Because that’s what distinguishes us from the Kostards and huffpost idiots….we allow dissenting voices, it gives us something to chew on man….

    p.s.

    hOOt
    I referred a friend to your VSPA site. He was active duty Airbase perimeter security police and now is a reservist. He was pretty impressed with your effort.

    Breaking news
    rumors are that there will be an announcement from Cuban state radio at 16:00 PDT that Castro is dead…..keep hopin’

  31. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PsychoChick:

    Has anyone ever told you that you ask the simplest questions which require the most COMPLICATED, multi-layer answers of anyone I know? Things that require 32 page answers . . .

    =================================

    It’s not so much Liberals, per se, as the moonbats that seem to run the Democrat Party today. Joe Lieberman, on every topic BUT the long war, easily qualifies as a Liberal. In his last election, he got more support from republicans than the republican Candidate. All based on his sanity.

    Contrast his positions with the statements from John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kerry, John Edwards, et al. They have managed to denigrate the efforts of our Armed Forces, since about the time the war was two months old. Ignore every bit of evidence contrary to the position of the people who pull their strings (Marcos, moveon, Mikey Moron, Soros), all in the name of political expediency. Their cowardice is more than a physical thing, it is a moral issue - an inability to stand and do the right thing.

    Do you have any doubt that John Kerry would still support the war if it had been popular in 2004, or if he could have gotten the nomination while supporting the war? He was for the war before he was against the war before he was for the war, ad infinitum. (and the fleas have littler fleas that bitem’)

    Dubya, as pissed as I get at him for the handling and conduct of the war, has been far from a free agent - no more than Richard Nixon was in 1975. When the liberal Democrats GAVE AWAY the lives of 58 thousand U.S. Soldiers who had died, because of a temper tantrum. They couldn’t put ol’ Dick Nixon in jail, so they ignored the peace treaties they had agreed to, screwed both North and South Vietnam, and gave away a hard fought victory.

    ==============================

    The way to win a war is to go in a club the other bastard senseless. Unfortunately, we don’t have the Armed Foces to do that with anymore, since Bill Clinton, against the advice of all his professional Military people (the adults) gutted the Army, Navy Air Force and Marines, cut weapon production, cut R&D, and did what I expect from a Draft Dodger. All to take advantage of an imaginary “Peace Divedend” and buy some more votes with Government Money. The world ddidn’t stop being a dangerous place just because the Commies were no longer in charge of the Soviet Union.

    Not that it matters, PC, because the media would still be making up shit to undercut the war effort so they can sell papers, and Kos and the rest of the puppet masters of the Democrat party would still be complaining. Not because of the war (other than a few cowards scared that they will have to go fight), but because they don’t like Dubya. They have not forgotten Floriduh from 2000, and are still mad.

    ============================

    I’m gonna give up, for now PsychoChick, in the interest of HIM’s bandwidth, and because I can feel my blood pressure going up as I type. Read Whittle - he is a MUCH better wordsmith than my poor efforts. You will enjoy the experience.

    Have a nice evening, and be well, my friend.

  32. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    My, it got BUSY while I was typing that . . .

  33. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    See, this is the problem with “home skoolin’”. You just don’t get history unless it came out of the Bible

    Well as a former Radio person, who got tired of having to kiss ass or starve, we know it doesn’t take a hellofalot of brain power to work in Radio/TV or any other entertainment.

    BS/MS/BA hOOt

    How’s that piece of paper from Brown Institute working out BJ?

  34. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Alright Dave. I’ve asked before, and this is the last time I’m gonna try.

    Can you point to EVEN ONE FUCKING LIE that George Walker Bush told to get us into this war?

    Don’t try to point to any mistake made by taking someone else’s word, and don’t try the shit that has already been debunked. Point to ONE DELIBERATE LIE told by President Bush to get us into Iraq.

    Until you can do that, I’m done. If “Bush Lied, People Died” is the best you got, give up. It ain’t gonna work.

  35. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Chuck
    Thanks. I won’t argue with you in general.

    But the twin towers burning was shown over and over and over. I went home after work that day, and every 15 min or so, the towers were shown burning. I think that was appropriate for such a horrific event. I periodically see that on tv, so I think it does get shown sometimes.

    I would agree that the Daniel Pearl beheading was too graphic to show, but there was a lot of commentary and outrage about it. There is just a film coming out about it, which should help remind people.

    “journalists arrive on the scene and captured images that woud soon become infamous.”–Blackwater book. I definitely saw those images–don’t remember if it was in papers or tv. Who could forget them? They were so horrible. Their families are suing because they were sent in with jeeps instead of armored vehicles. FYI, they were Blackwater, not KBR.

  36. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    The Shiites and the Sunnis have been at each other’s throats since Muhammed shuffled off this mortal coil. It predates there ever being an “Iraq”, “Saudi Arabia”, “Syria”, “Iran” by over a thousand years and then some. To these people, a nation’s border is meaningless when compared to bloodline and clan.

    Not 100% true anymore Deej. Yes there are tribe and clan loyalties, but the Iraqis are one of the most nationalistic of all Arab cultures. Thats why THEY themselves don’t want the country partitioned.

    When was the last time we won a war through occupation when there was one or more guerilla armies fighting each other and us for control?

    The most recent I can think of off the top of my head would be our interventions in Nicaragua and Haiti in the 30’s. There was also the Moro uprisings in the Philippines in the 00’s, the Indian Wars (all of them), and militarily VietNam. We lost Viet Nam in the streets of DC and the campuses of the US. We had won both militrarily and politically there. The VC was crushed, North Vietnam militarily defeated, the populace had turned against the communists, we had a real opportunity at victory and the leftist fifth columnists here turned into a defeat.

    Now let’s go back into the Wayback Machine for a moment to 1969 - 1975 when another Republican with “a plan to end the war” president was in power. Oh, that’s right, another Republican.

    (Yes, LBJ got us in the war in the first place, but Nixon could have gotten us out immediately, but instead had to escallate the war even further before it was determined to be a lost cause)

    Nixon bombed them to the peace table. If the left hadn’t so poisoned the well against that war, we could have won it at any up time up until our pullout in ‘73. Fighting a war half ass does nothing but prolong it. LBJ fought the war for 7 years with arm tied behind it’s back. Nixon fought it for three and had the North on the ropes enough to meet our demands at the negotiating table. If he had really “escalated” the war as you claimed, we would have been in Hanoi in 71.

    Who has been in charge of this country for the past six and a half years?

    The fact is, Democrats haven’t been running a damn thing in this country since January 2001. You can easily argue that they still don’t run anything even though they have statistical control of both houses of Congress.

    Selective reading comprehension there Deej? Lets look at the original quote;

    What you fail to mention is that the reason for both cases falls squarely on liberals in the media and government.

    Lets see, he was talking about Viet Nam and Iraq (hence BOTH cases). Who has been in charge of the Executive Branch for the last 6 1/2 years has nothing to do with Viet Nam.

    Liberals in the media and government. Not in the White House Deej. And yes, our failure in Viet Nam lays squarely at the feet of liberals in the MEDIA and GOVERNMENT. If we fail in Iraq, the same will apply. We can and WILL win this war Deej. We’ll win the campaign in Iraq, the campaign in Afghanistan, in the Philippines, in the Horn of Africa, in Malaysia, and every every other theater we’re fighting it. And we’ll win it DESPITE you and your fellow travelers best efforts to see us lose it.

  37. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    And I second Wil, just one deliberate lie. Just one. In fact, show me the lie that the pussbag LBJ told to get us in Viet Nam. Tonkin actually happened Deej, seen photos of the NV memorial to the torpedo boat crews. Even the NV admit it happened. And the Domino Effect happened, just ask the people of Cambodia, although a couple million of them may not be available for comment.

    Just one Deej.

  38. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Wil
    Thank you for making a lengthy reply. I didn’t mean to raise your blood pressure! I had no idea Clinton gutted the armed forces; it disturbs me, but I’m glad I know that now. Spouse thinks I’m wasting my time here, but I learn quite a bit.

    I guess my point was that people can bitch ( and do). I guess now they can affect policy since Dems are in Congress. My point was that Bush had a blank check to spend as much as he wanted and do what he wanted for most of the administration. Unless I have greatly misread the situation, he had not been hamstrung for most of the war.

    Thanks for taking time with me. I appreciate it!

  39. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Their families are suing because they were sent in with jeeps instead of armored vehicles.

    The Blackwater guys were in SUV’s (Nissan or Toyota IIRC), pretty standard for contractors at that stage of the ops. The only thing that could have saved them would have been warp speed tanks so they could unass the AO PDQ.

    I hate to speak ill of the dead like this, but they never should have gone down Route 10 and they should have known it. Fallujah was a no go then and everyone knew it.

  40. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    hOOT
    Normally, I try to stay under your radar, but I think you should stop dropping personal information about DJ. It’s creepy and unethical, and you’ve done it before.

    Somehow, I think keeping computer systems running at his level requires a modicum of intelligence.

    Awfully free with the use of the word “traitor.”

  41. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crunchie
    I only skimmed the sizable amount of information on their last day, but I think they got lost!

  42. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    (BTW, is my avatar too big for my body?)

    No, but is does make your ass look kinda fat… :em93:

  43. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Unless I have greatly misread the situation, he had not been hamstrung for most of the war.

    PC, he’s been hamstrung by an active fifth column working against the war effort. Every time a soldier or Marine is even accused of farting towards Mecca *spit*, the media tries and turn into another My Lai, with wall to wall coverage of every idiot Karnac in the congress who finds them guilty before they have even been charged.

    As to Clinton gutting the military…good gawd woman where were you during the 90’s. Active, flyable aircraft were reduced by 30-40% IIRC because the had to canabalize em for parts. The Corps actually had to deactivate a few battalions (the famed 1/9 being one of em) and shut down some barracks, including my old one in Guam. That and the highest op tempo since Viet Nam nearly burnt it out. You think the military is stressed now? I had some buddies in 2/4. They were on their way back from a 6 month MedFloat in 92 or 93. As soon as they got close to CONUS they were diverted to Haiti. Clinton ordered them in to reinstate that murdering bastard Aristide, but as soon as he learned there were Haitians waiting for the Marines he chickened out and canceled the deployment order. So they sat there for 6 weeks while Willie dithered, and then came home. They immediately went on air alert because there weren’t any other full strength MEU’s in 2nd MarDiv that could. Then they were deployed to Haiti for 3 months within a couple of weeks of being home. This is during peace time! Marines know they are an expeditionary force and that shit happens, but the Corps plans it so it’s at least predictable and equitable. Not when the forces have been gutted though. And don’t even get me started on no money for ammo. Ever seen Marines running around going “budda budda budda jam” with their M-16’s because the battalion can’t afford blanks?

    I won’t mention the social experiments he foisted on them either.

  44. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC

    I only skimmed the sizable amount of information on their last day, but I think they got lost!

    Nope, shortcut. They were actually driving two Mitsubishi Pajeros. Scott Helvenston was a former SEAL, Jerry Zovko was 82nd Airborne, Michael Teague was a Bronze Star recipient from Afghanistan and Wesley Batalona was a Ranger.

  45. chuck Comment by chuck

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    But the twin towers burning was shown over and over and over. I went home after work that day, and every 15 min or so, the towers were shown burning. I think that was appropriate for such a horrific event. I periodically see that on tv, so I think it does get shown sometimes.

    I would agree that the Daniel Pearl beheading was too graphic to show, but there was a lot of commentary and outrage about it. There is just a film coming out about it, which should help remind people.

    “journalists arrive on the scene and captured images that woud soon become infamous.”–Blackwater book. I definitely saw those images–don’t remember if it was in papers or tv. Who could forget them? They were so horrible. Their families are suing because they were sent in with jeeps instead of armored vehicles. FYI, they were Blackwater, not KBR.

    I wasn’t arguing that they weren’t shown at all. But with Abu Garab (or however it is spelled, I am too lazy to look it up), we were bombarded with those images for weeks and constantly told how we were torturing these poor innocent people. The fact is the hazing I endured in my first year of playing varsity football in high school was both more physically painful and degrading than anything said to have been done to terrorists in that prison by Americans. Since it fit the whole Bush bad, Islamist good meme the media wants to sell, it was milked for all it was worth.

  46. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    When was the last time we won a war through occupation when there was one or more guerilla armies fighting each other and us for control?

    WTF?
    Of course, we must have such a precedent to consider success in the war the dnc mislead us into.

    Well, then,,iran and syria’s material support for the jihadis of whatever origin can’t figure into the picture?

    The quotations so lovingly provided by our own left are not a major force magnifier in their propaganda weapons?

    No distractions. No way. Supporting weakness in full view of the enemy’s cameras is treachery, however highmindedly described or phrased.

  47. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Tha’ Nuge goes off on the evil twins..
    Unless they’re rated for this amperage,,children must go to another room.

  48. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Crunchies
    For various reasons, I couldn’t indulge my passion for current events in the 90s very much
    –very heavy-duty science with little time off
    –mental breakdown

  49. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    It’s just like a liberal to denigrate home-schoolers, DJ. As a matter of fact, the majority of them test HIGHER than their public school counterparts. I home-schooled mine for two and three years, respectively, and they both tested TWO grades higher than their peers when they went back.

    One has a BA, a BS and an MS; the other one has a BS.

    I found out today that our university is opening its doors to a 12-year old home-schooler. A few years back, one of our home-schooled students started our university at age 14 and graduated with honors.

    When the public shool children can do the same thing, then you will have cause to poke fun. Until then, Dave, stick a sock in it.

  50. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Go Nuge!!!

    PC

    Sorry ’bout that darlin’. It was more rhetorical than anything. Besides, even if you ad paid attention, assuming only the MSM, you wouldn’t have heard much about it anyways. The media loathes the military as much as Der Shlickmeister did. Their hardships didn’t register a blip on the MSM’s radar.

    I still remember that scum sucking maggot at a presser once. A Marine Corps CH46 had recently gone down and over a dozen Marines were killed. The asshole bit his lip and said “You know, I never knew how dangerous a job serving in the military could be until I became your Commander In Chief”.

    I fucking puked.

  51. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    PC,

    The media and congress tend to “armchair quarterback” our military when it comes to fighting. The stupid rules of engagement are costing needless lives.

    When Bush I was in office, IIRC, Gen. S. asked for permission to “do what needs to be done.” He was denied. Perhaps if the legislative branch would step and let the executive branch EXECUTE, the war would be done by now.

  52. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Crunchie,

    I’m glad I didn’t see that. I’d have probably thrown my tv out a 10-story window…

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    SkyeChild
    It’s funny you had mentioned Eisenhower not long ago. I read a wonderful editorial about him from someone who is writing a book. The concept of Supreme Commander who had total control over everything to do with the war was new to me and sounded appealing.

  54. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    PC,

    I’ve always had difficulty with civilians (some who wouldn’t know a military uniform if it bit them) telling the military how to run things. That would be like ME showing up at a fire and telling the firefighters how best to handle things…or my husband telling ME how to cook…when even the dogs wouldn’t eat what HE cooked. rofl.

  55. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Skyechild

    I only had one TV at the time and lived in a single story house. Otherwise, who knows…I may have chucked one out the window myself. Only having one TV during the Clinton years probably explains why I never pulled an Elvis on one either.

  56. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Crunchie, I remember that incident with Clinton. Funny thing, he never DID return a correct salute as he stepped off of Marine 1. It always pissed me off to see those Marines snap their salutes toward him and he never even looked at them, just walked by and gave some half ass salute/brush-off to them.

    I saw Reagan step off of Marine 1 a couple of times on TV and he not only snapped that salute right back at them, but looked them in the eye as he did it…and usually had something to say to them as well.

  57. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    A hell of a contrast alright Jaybear. Then there was his penchant for using the military as a photo op. Another puke moment for me was watching Clinton walk across the lawn of the White House with a dozen or so troops behind him in cammies keeping back about 20 feet or so. I know it was supposed to evoke images of him being a great leader and all, but all I could think of was that he had farted or something and they were staying WAY back.

    Then there was some speech he gave, had a bunch of props…er I mean people sitting behind him. One was a Marine Staff Sergeant (maybe Gunny) who was just boring a hole in the back of the assholes head. I half expected Clinton to start brushing away whatever was causing the itching back there. I wish I knew who the Marine was so I could buy him a beer,

  58. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Jaybear and Crunchie,

    When I was in the military, we were graced by a visit from President Ford. I was working by the flightline, and I was in uniform, so I just sort of strolled across the flightline, and stood by the rope. As he came down the line, EVERYONE wanted to shake his hand…and, since I was right by the rope, the surge knocked me off my feet. I flipped over the rope, and onto the ground, and helped up by his aides.

    I sent in my flyer to be autographed by Ford. I still have it in my possessions. It was one of MY finest hours.

  59. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SkyeChild
    I could be wrong, but I assumed the commander was heavy-duty military, like a general or something. It would seem like the military is the best judge of military options.

  60. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    The head of the military is the commander-in-chief (the president). Unfortunately, for the military, this congress won’t LET the president BE the CINC. They want to run the show, and it’s costing us dearly.

    What ticked people off about Clinton is that he got to have the title as commander-in-chief, as will Hitlery if she gets elected, without serving so much as a day in the military. There’s absolutely NO WAY that he could understand what it was all about.

  61. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Skye, I didn’t know you served….I extend my gratitude to you as I have to the other Vets on this site.

    Ford was a good man too, he had two left feet but oh well…he really should have gotten a second term. It would have saved us a lot of trouble with Iran.

    I’m jealous that you have an autograph, the closest I can come is my autographed Rush Limbaugh book.

  62. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Jaybear,

    Yep. USAF, 1974-1976, Offutt AFB, Nebraska. To be honest, the “autograph” is a stamped signature, but I STILL cherish it.

    You have an autographed RUSH book? Geeze…all I have is a piddly autographed BOORTZ book. 8-)

  63. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Skyechild

    Shouldn’t that have been Ford falling over the rope? :em99:

    PC The Commander In Chief is the POTUS, the Prez. Civilian control over the military, the Founders were very distrustful of professional standing armies, and it’s worked quite well for us, no coups or nuthin.

    The military chain of command isn’t really the ones hamstringing the ops or writing the ROE’s. They promulgate policies in keeping with the commands and desires of the SecDef and the POTUS. SecDef and POTUS have to take into consideration all the political ramifications of the war. Hence the restrictive ROE’S etc.

    Most of the time the civilian leave the military to prosecute the war and step in when a certain aspect has geopolitical or domestic implications. Case in point is the first battle of Fallujah. I MEF wanted to wait and flush out the hajis who killed the Blackwater guys in a few months. They were over ruled because of the coverage the incident received and the propaganda uses it gave the enemy. Usually things like this or not that big a problem. The problem is micro managing every effort, case in point LBJ approving every target in NV. Also the Mayaguez incident. As a local commander you don’t need the Sec Def of your radio net.

  64. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PsychoChick:

    Wil
    Thank you for making a lengthy reply. I didn’t mean to raise your blood pressure!

    Oh, you didn’t - I was headed that way because of this subject earlier. I sometimes allow myself to become angry about things that have nothing to do with entirely reasonable questions from nice young ladies.

    I had no idea Clinton gutted the armed forces; it disturbs me, but I’m glad I know that now.

    Yes. Before Deej jumps up again, yes, George H.W. Bush (#41) reduced the Active Army strength by two divisions (out of 16) on his watch, based on recommendations from senior Army Comanders and the Secretary of Defense (Dick Cheney, now VP) following Gulf War One. Bill Clinton, based on expert recommendations from CNN and his Wife, reduced the Active Army by another 4 Divisions. Similar numbers were encountered by the Navy, Airforce and the Marines (as outlined by Crunchie, above). The money “saved” was promptly spent buying votes.

    Spouse thinks I’m wasting my time here, but I learn quite a bit.

    I certainly don’t think you are wasting your time, as we learn from you, as well.

    My point was that Bush had a blank check to spend as much as he wanted and do what he wanted for most of the administration. Unless I have greatly misread the situation, he had not been hamstrung for most of the war.

    No President has a “blank check”, nor the ability to wage war without at least acquiesence by Congress. The War Resolution was overwhelmingly passed in both Houses of Congress. The constraints come from having a smaller Armed Foces than this Country needs to maintain, but no money or authorization to hire more. In addition, add to the mix a “watchdog” press actively supporting Saddam (CNN, NYT, Reuters and AFP) and more working against the war effort, just because they are anti-war. Then, Congressmen like John Murtha making what are arguably Treasonous statements [(Yes, Dave, that is a term of art, and I use it exactly as it is meant - actively working against the interests of the U.S. and supporting the enemy)], supporting the insurgency and lowering the morale of the Soldiers fighting against them. This gives strength to the efforts of the enemy, because they believe the U.S. is about to pull out.

    Thanks for taking time with me. I appreciate it!

    And, believe it or not, I enjoy it. My blood pressure wasn’t up because of you - you have been, always, a pleasure, both for the correspondence we share, and your inquisitive mind.

    And, as I say, I learn from you as well. Thank you.

  65. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    I’m always in awe when I read posts written by DJ. I’m in awe because the posts are always so full of bullshit and propaganda that I’m amazed he has any intellectual capability at all!

    Every post that he made today was full of lies and misinformation. When you get all of your “history” and “facts” from the Democratic Underground, the Daily Kos, and the New York Times, it’s no wonder that you spit out blather.

    I prefer to get straight information from my husband, who has been in the Middle East for over four years now(Including Iraq, DJ), and from History books.

    Just the fact that you stated LBJ started the Vietnam war shows me how ignorant you really are.

    I’m with the other Rotties: PROVE that President Bush lied to get us into Iraq.
    You can’t prove it, because it’s not true.

    BTW, my husband got first hand information from the Iraqis themselves, in 2003, that much of what Saddam was hiding was transported to Syria. But what the hell would HE know. He was only there.

    In 2003 the Iranians were already pouring over the border into Iraq. My husband’s men killed many of them. Have you even looked at a map of Iraq and Iran to see how huge the border is, DJ? Do you even know WHERE Iraq is?

    It’s pointless trying to show DJ any facts, Rotties. He’s so brainwashed by the America-hating Left that he’s probably become a 911 truther by now.

    Idiot.

  66. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    You have an autographed RUSH book? Geeze…all I have is a piddly autographed BOORTZ book.

    well, the Rush book is kinda cool but the prizes in my collection are the homestead papers that I have from my Great Grandfather and his brother. They homesteaded in Northern Colorado (Julesburg area) in the 1890’s and 1900’s. The papers are signed by Grover Cleveland, William Henry Harrison, and Theodore Roosevelt. After my Dad died, my Mom Sister and I were cleaning out his office and safe in the house and I found these papers folded up in the safe. My mom, not being the history freak that I am, just wanted to toss them out so I took them. They’re now framed in airtight UV protected frames and hung in our living room. But the best thing I got from cleaning out my Dad’s stuff was his ID wrist bracelet from his service with the Merchant Marine in World War II. I’m not sure if it is regular issue or whether he had it specially made, but it’s pretty good quality. It has USMM on the facing side, and his name (same as mine…I’m a junior) and Serial Number on the opposite side….I wear it every day.

  67. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    I was on active duty in the Army when the Clinton curse began. Almost overnight, operations a maintenance budgets almost evaporated, as well as Military family housing falling into disrepair, while public housing budgets stayed the same!! I ETS’ed as sson as that enlistment expired, I loved serving and wearing the uniform, but I couldn’t stand having a Commander in Chief that I knew hated the military! I had a big-time puke moment when the MSM showed “Blowjob Willie” going for his morning run with GIs being used as props to put on the sham that he was popular with the military! Hell, in Bosnia, a number of troops had their ammo confiscated, and were frisked by the Secret Service detail, and then left outside while it rained, and ordered to applaud and cheer when “Blowjob Willie” deplaned, putting on a show for the MSM flunkies! I read about that episode in one of David Hackworth’s books, and it typifies the Clintons’ loath and contempt for the military. Hell, during the clinton curse, the USMC White House detail members were ordered to show up in civvies and help with domestic chores!

  68. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Hell, during the clinton curse, the USMC White House detail members were ordered to show up in civvies and help with domestic chores!

    I heard about that too IRR. And the Bosnian disarming. Also Shrillary just loved to have Marine and Army officers serve as waiters at dinner parties. I read somewhere that she was particularly condescending to them in front of her friends.

    I couldn’t have done it.

  69. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Now, contrast that with the behavior of Nancy Reagan towards the military gentleman (and his towards her) during Reagan’s funeral! I was SOOOOO impressed by both of them.

  70. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    SkyeChild:

    I’ve always had difficulty with civilians (some who wouldn’t know a military uniform if it bit them) telling the military how to run things.

    I don’t. I was there, doing the job for a long damn time. The Military has the experts in how to WAGE war. What we need is the civilians to point us in the right direction, tell us what they want, then get the hell out of the way.

    The micromanagement from the WH that happened during Vietnam was both stupid and a waste of power.

    The military NEEDS to be under civilian control. War is a political decision, too important to be left to the Generals. But, after the decision is made, the next CIVILIAN decision should be “Stop!” We are trained in all the arts of war. The U.S. Military is the best in the world, and I say that without reservation (even if we are spread a wee thin from time to time).

    I don’t tell my plumber how to replace a pipe, I just tell him I got a leak. I don’t tell the mechanic how to fix the tranny on my 13 year old Taurus, I just tell him it’s slipping between second and third.

    Same thing for the military. Make the decisions, then get out of the way of the experts. Tell us when we have gone far enough.

    We will complain. That’s a given. Bitching is a Soldier’s God given right, since before the Roman Empire. But we WILL do the job.

  71. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    A good book to read to get an accurate picture of how the Clinton’s regarded the Military is Dereliction of Duty by Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson.

    First time I read this I seriously wanted to start throwing things. :em96:

    :em98:

  72. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Totally OT ( :em99: get it, off topic on an open thread…never mind), Crumb Crunchie just qualified Sharpshooter at Paradise Island. Shot a 219, one point off Expert, and 5 points better than his old man did. He was however a competitive shooter on his schools small bore rifle team so he will still get a ration of shit from me for not getting Expert :em93:

    He also scored 1st class PFT, also better than his old man but that is our little secret.

  73. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    You have an autographed RUSH book? Geeze…all I have is a piddly autographed BOORTZ book.

    We have an autographed book by Ollie North. :em93:

  74. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Wil,

    You are right. You and I had the same idea. You just said it better than I did.

  75. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Wil #70, well said man. Bravo.

  76. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    We have an autographed book by Ollie North.

    OOoooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOoooo

  77. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I had no idea Clinton gutted the armed forces; it disturbs me, but I’m glad I know that now.

    I was in one of only three AFSC’s (Air Force Specialty Code) that wasn’t being actively expunged by the Klintonistas after they plopped their ample asses onto the WH furniture in January 1993.

    1. Pilots
    2. Doctors (Flight surgeons)
    3. Arabic Linguists

    Hint: I’m not licensed to fly a plane & I don’t grab dudes’ nuts & tell ‘em to cough.

    Hell, they were in such a hurry to destroy the U.S.’s war fighting capability that they were PAYING people to get out.

    Dave and his fellow DUmmies & KosTards, as well as their hired hypocrites in Congress, want to place blame for us not having enough troops & materiel to fight in more than one theater at a time? Look no further than the Bent-dicked Hillbilly Rapist™ and his Haggard Harlot™.

    Assnuggets. :em96:

  78. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Oops…

    Man Dies After Surgeon Operates on Wrong Side of Head

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294414,00.html

  79. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    Crunchie:
    You must be DAMNED proud of your son. I know I am.

  80. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    SkyeChild and Crunchie:

    Thank you. I try. It’s nice to know my small efforts are appreciated!

    =========================

    Man Dies After Surgeon Operates on Wrong Side of Head

    Ooopsie!

    I read somewhere that one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. is “Medical Misadventure.” Outnumbered “Gunshot Wounds (All Causes)” by about 8 to 1.

  81. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    I got my new mouse!!! Im baaaaack!!!!!!
    and is it just me or is the video busted??

  82. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Thank you Nerbie, and yeah, just a tad bit.

  83. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Ooops NerbY, I knew that, really.

  84. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Yeah Crunchie!!, tell him excellent shooting for me

    think you could lend him out to help me sight in my M1?? still struggling with that beast.

    then again…maybe it’s the guy squeezing the trigger :em58:

  85. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Jaybear
    An M-1? As in Garand? Definitely the shooter :em93:

    No, seriously, is it in good condition? Everything tight?

    Try it at 15 meters. If you can get a good group, zero it in at that range and you should have a good Battle Sight Zero for 200 yards.

  86. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Jaybear, if you can’t get it shooting straight, I’ll reluctantly take it of yer hands. :em93:

    Allright, kids, gramps is gonna toddle off to bed now. Ya’ll behave, now, and don’t stay up too late!

  87. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Nite Grampa Wil :em99:

  88. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    PC

    I guess my point was that people can bitch ( and do). I guess now they can affect policy since Dems are in Congress. My point was that Bush had a blank check to spend as much as he wanted and do what he wanted for most of the administration. Unless I have greatly misread the situation, he had not been hamstrung for most of the war.

    This touches on a particular bitch of mine about “Why don’t the troops have the body armour (armoured HumVees, etc.).

    Because the money wasn’t spent before it was critical!

    Ever by a car special order, not just off the lot? It’;; take about 6 to 8 weeks, and they make cars every damn day, so iy’s just plug in the specs.

    Companies that had been told over the last 8 years that they shouldn’t expect any business, being the capitalists they are, they either downsized or revamped to a new product. When war shows up and now we want those things we should have had sitting on the self, now these companies have to re-retool to start producing. Just for the forces there at one time (people cycle in and out and things break) you’re talking 150,000 to 200,000 units you needed yesterday.

  89. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    An M-1? As in Garand? Definitely the shooter :em93:

    No, seriously, is it in good condition? Everything tight?

    Oh yeah, I’ve been looking for one for about 20 years, this is the best cleanest one I’ve seen. Mechanically, it’s very sound…Danish barrel and very tight action.


    Wil
    sez:

    Jaybear, if you can’t get it shooting straight, I’ll reluctantly take it of yer hands.

    ahhhh man…I’d sooner part with you 1970 Les Paul Deluxe

    nahhhh….I’ll keep ‘em both but if you find yourself in the Seattle area, we’ll go shootin’ then come back and do a little jammin’ Goes for you too Crunch

  90. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Jaybear, i purchased last night a DW Collector’s Series jazz drum kit that Peter Erskine played at a drum convention a year ago.

    this same kit, but satin finish and reversed colours (not shiny)

  91. Robohobo Comment by Robohobo

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    LC Wil -

    The military NEEDS to be under civilian control. War is a political decision, too important to be left to the Generals. But, after the decision is made, the next CIVILIAN decision should be “Stop!” …

    But, Wil, the CIVILIANS saying “STOP!” should be the other guy’s, not ours. Reference Col. Ralph Peters (Ret).

    psychochick -

    When you say you did not know that Clintoon and the Hildabeast had decimated the military and that EEEEEEVIILLLLL! military industrial complex, it just goes to show the lack of truth in news and the lack of real teaching in education. By the time I had come into the 90’s I was long out of the US Army and working for a defense contractor - we worked for DOE, DoA, DNA, AF Weapons Lab, AF Test Eval Ctr and ‘others’. I watched the contract money slowly dry up from ‘93 to ‘97 when it was mostly gone. Our little office of a great big company went from 150+ folks to less than 50 folks in less than a year. That was when I knew I had to bail out. I got lucky and found a position in the semiconductor tool industry. I bailed out and never looked back because there was nothing to look back on. That little office still survives but at the same small size. I caught semiconductor on the upswing but now that everything is being offshored because of jobs and price pressure, the US is going to lose it’s lead in another industry, which we can NEVER regain.

    BTW, it takes MONTHS to retool a factory and bring it back to high levels of production again. If you have to build it and bring it up the minimum for semi is 18 months - from empty shell to first wafers being produced on a 12 to 16 week production line. So expecting a supplier to magically produce goods on demand when ordered - well, it is just immature (which is what I think most Libtards are - just children who never grew up).

    Most tool suppliers have 20 to 26 week lead times even for STANDARD products. Got to order the parts and assemblies from subs.

    The whole argument about us sending our soldiers into combat without what they needed is just that, an argument, but not one based in the realities of a grown up world.

    Right now I am chewing on some thoughts about the future of Western Civ. I am not sure that the directions being advocated by either side are the right ones. I think it all goes back to that old argument about there not being anything worth fighting for unless you believe in something - i.e. there MUST be some type of moral underpinning to the society, there must be common guideposts we all agree on before you can have a robust society. I think that we have accepted the substitution of false morality for the real thing becasue we wrongly wish to be all inclusive. In other words, by being inclusive to the detriment of the societies moral basis, we lose that moral basis to false beliefs. Go read all of Fjordmans writings at Gates of Vienna

    You can find them in the left sidebar - links to his collection of essays published there.

    Also, I think someone sent you over to Bill Whittle’s blog - Eject!Eject!Eject!

    He says so much that is just TRUE! Go to the right side bar, start with “Honor” and work your way to “Tribes”. Then go slightly farther down and read “You Are Not Alone” Parts 1 & 2.

    Okay……

    /rant off

  92. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Robohobo
    Lost my post when I linked the Whittle–thanks for the link. It had been given to me before, but I think it got lost in my huge list of links. And I posted the directions of where to go on the blog in my Rottie file. :em34:

    Don’t blame the quality of the news for my ignorance. I was first doing really intensive work back then and then having health issues, and thus unfortunately was not dealing with news. Sucky for a news junkie. Being taught in education isn’t relevant to me-I got my final degree in 1993, and it was a hardcore science graduate degree–would not have dealt with Clinton issues.

    As someone said above, thanks for the info on how long it takes to ramp up production.

    By the way, the liberals in hardcore, demanding jobs get a little perturbed about being compared to children.

  93. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SoCal
    You were the other person I wanted to thank! Sorry about the mental lapse. Things are not as they should be today.

  94. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    BJ….RM was indeed talking about Vietnam, since we know your gutless ass was never near a war, why not just shut the fuck up? Because like all lefty traitors you don’t have a fucking clue.

    First off, my little blowhard, I wasn’t going to volunteer for war I didn’t agree with. My lottery number was 231 so I wasn’t going to be drafted. If you chose to volunteer, then that was your perogative. If you were drafted, then that was your “luck”.

    Secondly, I was living in Israel from 1971 - 1974 and got a little busy over there, because that was something I could wrap my mind around. (maybe you need me to draw you a picture?) I didn’t agree with the policy of Vietnam, but I saw the necessity of defending Israel.

    So spare me the assumptions and juvenile accusations.

    You tend to use that word “traitor” a lot, just like you tend to insinuate a person’s sexuality. It has been my experience that a person who spends a lot of time putting down another person with labels is really projecting, because there seems to be a lot of preoccupation with the two.

    PsychoChick might wish to remain under your ‘radar’ (or is that GAYdar?), but personally I think that only empowers you to think that others might actually be scared of you. I’m not. You are a cyber-bully looking for attention and acceptance by the group, but void of any original thought or opinion of your own.

    In all the time you have been here, I have yet to see you actually carry on a conversation with someone.

    Hint: When you jump right out with the derogatory name-calling, it usually means that is ALL you’ve got.

    Most of the people here do a wonderful job of being able to debate a topic without resorting to name-calling. If you respect your opponent, you have a much better chance of convincing him or her of your position.

    Well as a former Radio person, who got tired of having to kiss ass or starve,

    Having been in management, we usually called that a “lack of talent” or a lack of “chops”.

    Until recently, most people behind the mike didn’t get paid all that well. The better the market, the more you got paid, but usually that was a cost of living adjustment. Most of us went from behind the mike to management positions where the money was better, and then left for greener pastures.

    we know it doesn’t take a hellofalot of brain power to work in Radio/TV or any other entertainment.

    Maybe for you, but when I started in radio, I was also an engineer. It was required. I left the mike, to got into management, and when I left radio, I went into sound engineering and made a small fortune there, working with some big names in the music industry.

    Now I am back in radio doing production. I don’t do it because I have to, I do it because it is fun. I get to meet and talk to interesting people.

    It might surprise you to know that before I came to AAR, I worked as a producer on three other Conservative talk shows. The hosts were great guys, and while I didn’t agree with most of their politics, we worked great as a team because I helped them keep on their toes.

    BS/MS/BA hOOt

    Am I supposed to be impressed?

    I have some letters too. I can toss them out for you, but it really proves nothing.

    I know people with doctorates who are as dumb as a box of pliers, and conversely those with only a high school diploma who are competent and quite intelligent.

    How’s that piece of paper from Brown Institute working out BJ?

    Dunno, never heard of them until now.

    I was a Jewish guy who went to two different Jesuit schools. Go figure.

  95. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    test

  96. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Secondly, I was living in Israel from 1971 - 1974 and got a little busy over there, because that was something I could wrap my mind around. (maybe you need me to draw you a picture?)

    Ya’ learn something new every day… Didja get to meet Moshe? THAT is who Israel needs in charge.

    I know people with doctorates who are as dumb as a box of pliers, and conversely those with only a high school diploma who are competent and quite intelligent.

    Spot. Fucking. On.

  97. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    That was one weird outage, Dave. I got a “403 error” telling me that I’d been banned and, if I was using their computer, my employers would be informed, among other nasty and nefarious things.

  98. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    That was one weird outage, Dave. I got a “403 error” telling me that I’d been banned and, if I was using their computer, my employers would be informed, among other nasty and nefarious things.

    I will be putting this site in and out of “Maintenace Mode” over the next several hours while I install or upgrade some of the plugins here.

    Now people will have the ability to edit their own comments, as long as they do it within 30 minutes.

  99. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Very cool. Thanks, again, for keeping the place up and running.

  100. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    among other nasty and nefarious things.

    Such as writing the Complaint Department™? 

  101. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Now people will have the ability to edit their own comments, as long as they do it within 30 minutes.

    Hey!!! that will be cool, I won’t have to come to you guys in management to clean up after me no more…. :em72:

    Hey DJ, so you said in your reply to hOOt that you spent some time as a recording engineer….can you drop any names that you worked with??

  102. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    #65 nerbygirl spanks DJ:

    I’m always in awe when I read posts written by DJ. I’m in awe because the posts are always so full of bullshit and propaganda that I’m amazed he has any intellectual capability at all!

    Every post that he made today was full of lies and misinformation. When you get all of your “history” and “facts” from the Democratic Underground, the Daily Kos, and the New York Times, it’s no wonder that you spit out blather.

    I prefer to get straight information from my husband, who has been in the Middle East for over four years now(Including Iraq, DJ), and from History books.

    Just the fact that you stated LBJ started the Vietnam war shows me how ignorant you really are.

    I’m with the other Rotties: PROVE that President Bush lied to get us into Iraq.
    You can’t prove it, because it’s not true.

    #34 LCWil asks the question inquiring minds want answered:

    Alright Dave. I’ve asked before, and this is the last time I’m gonna try.

    Can you point to EVEN ONE FUCKING LIE that George Walker Bush told to get us into this war?

    Crickets chirping, Dave? Well, let’s look at some real liars

    http://www.whosaiditiraq.blogspot.com/

    How many of these self serving buffoons ran away from certainty, just to harm Bush and the war effort?

  103. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    I know people with doctorates who are as dumb as a box of pliers

    In University settings, the vast, vast majority. :em41:

  104. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Hey DJ, so you said in your reply to hOOt that you spent some time as a recording engineer….can you drop any names that you worked with??

    I would rather not, except to say that most were major players in the Seattle Grunge scene of the mid-80s through the late-90s, and once in a while I get called to do some sound stuff for a few who have survived.

    #65 nerbygirl spanks DJ:

    With what, her air-paddle?

    I haven’t had a chance to answer yet, but since you have this burning desire to know, I will drop my site maintenance work here for a moment and comment…

    Every post that he made today was full of lies and misinformation. When you get all of your “history” and “facts” from the Democratic Underground, the Daily Kos, and the New York Times, it’s no wonder that you spit out blather.

    I will bet you a dollar in a “gentleman’s bet” that you probably read DU(I), Daily Kos, and the NYT more than I do.

    You might have noticed that I’ve mentioned I have this neat and fun job that allows me to actually talk to a lot of the law makers, policy makers, and other movers and shakers in this country on a daily basis. It is my job to set up the shows, get preliminary material, and book guests. I don’t need the second-, or tenth-hand information found on any of these websites, when I can get the information straight from the horse’s mouth.

    I prefer to get straight information from my husband, who has been in the Middle East for over four years now(Including Iraq, DJ), and from History books.

    Does your husband get his information from the only “news” outlet over there — FAUX Noise?

    Just the fact that you stated LBJ started the Vietnam war shows me how ignorant you really are.

    I can see where the following might have confused you:

    (Yes, LBJ got us in the war in the first place, but Nixon could have gotten us out immediately, but instead had to escallate the war even further before it was determined to be a lost cause) Me @ 24

    I could probably have been a little more clear. What I was intending to say was that LBJ got us into the war as an actual police action instead of just being an “advisory force”. And he used the Gulf of Tonkin incident to push for the escallation, even though LBJ is rumored to have told SecState George Ball, “Hell, those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish.”

    Alright Dave. I’ve asked before, and this is the last time I’m gonna try.

    Can you point to EVEN ONE FUCKING LIE that George Walker Bush told to get us into this war?

    Well, as I see, Wil put some conditions on the question:

    Don’t try to point to any mistake made by taking someone else’s word, and don’t try the shit that has already been debunked.

    First off, debunked by who?

    Second, Bush has this tendency to hide behind his front men. Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and now Petraeus. (it isn’t Bush’s surge any more, it is General Petraeus’s surge. That way, if anything goes wrong, it is that “Heckofa Job” Petraeus’s fault)

    But I digress.

    Gee, where do I start? Here is a short list, but just about every time Chuckles opens his mouth about Iraq, you can be sure it is a lie.

    WMD — This was the centerpiece for going into Iraq. I know that most of you now want to downplay that significance, but you ignore the fact that this was the theme driven home day after day by Bush AND that “liberal mainstream media”. Notice how there is NOBODY inside the administration even mentioning Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction these days?

    Yellowcake — that was a good one. So good it caused the administration to “out” a CIA agent and a covert program to punish the person who dared to expose the fraud.

    Iraq / 9-11 connection. — Bush still tries to associate the two in all of his speeches. It has become part of a drinking game, because you can count on the fact that each time he talks about Iraq, it is sure to be followed by “September 11th” or “nine-one-one”. It is his way of Catapulting the propaganda. If you repeat a lie and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Goebbels would be proud…

    The fact is, Iraq has absolutely fucknot to do with 9/11. Al Qaeda is in Iraq right now because WE are in Iraq. Oh, I know that you will point out the Al Qaeda “base” in Northern Iraq as “proof” Saddam was hosting them, but you forget that Saddam no longer had control of Northern Iraq because of our No-fly zones and the crippling sanctions we imposed.

    The short answer is going to have to be: The entire administration working in concert with Bush lied us into Iraq.

  105. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ sez:

    I would rather not, except to say that most were major players in the Seattle Grunge scene of the mid-80s through the late-90s, and once in a while I get called to do some sound stuff for a few who have survived.

    ah well, that is a little past my time in the music industry Dave. I worked backstage and stage security for concerts at the University of Colorado…just thought we might have had some mutual contacts.

    Thanks for the hard work man :em93:

  106. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Deej, not one of those three “lies” you mentioned are lies.

    WMD - An intelligence estimate shared by EVERY major agency in the world. Fueled by Hussein’s own obfuscations, evasions, and lies. Still has not been proven one way or another. Even Saddam’s own generals don’t know for sure how far along the program was or wasn’t or what was really in inventory or not. Sorry, don’t sound like a lie to me. At worst a misjudgment.

    Yellowcake - Again, an estimate. Espionage ain’t always an exact science. I won’t even get into the whole “outing” bullshit, BC does such a better job than I do.

    9/11 - I still have yet to hear Bush ONCE say Hussein was behind 9/11. Talk about Stalinesque, the left keeps saying over and over and over that Bush blames 9/11 on Iraq, and that is the real lie. Look, I realize W ain’t the most eloquent speaker ever to grace 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. but even little ol me can understand what he’s saying. 9/11 changed the way we have to approach the middle east. We can’t allow the status quo to continue. Our mistake in the past was to go for stability rather than security. Iraq was “stable” through the 90’s. We were “stable” while Bin laden was waging Jihad against us. 9/11 was the result of 50 years of pursuing stability. It was our wake up call that they were at war with us, if nit us with them. Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, but they were part of the problems we had to wake up and face. The same with Iraq. It was the next theater in the war because if we stopped at Afghanistan, the festering ulcer of Islamofascism would still remain. Trying to plant a democracy in the region is the STRATEGIC plan to eventually defeat the hajis. Rather than play whack a mole for the next century, do something to wipe out the ideology. Isn’t that what liberals preach Dave? Don’t just throw criminals in prison, but attack the reasons why they are criminals, IE in libtardia not enough gubmint programs, but I digress.

    Sorry Dave, Wil asked for one LIE, not accusations of incompetence.

    BTW, loving the edit feature. How the hell do you close it? In any case, keep up the good work DJ, we really appreciate all yer technical voodoo.

  107. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Weird outage Dave. Where did the italics come from?

    Gee, where do I start? Here is a short list, but just about every time Chuckles opens his mouth about Iraq, you can be sure it is a lie.

    WMD

    Well, so far, we have Saddam’s OWN intelligence agents telling us they were there, and taken to Syria (in the trucks of the leftists best buddy, Russia). We have Satelite photos of the Russian trucks pulling out of known weapons facilities just before the invasion. We have 500 plus chemical weapons that have been discovered so far by Allied forces. We have Biological Weapons facilities (seven so far) discovered. Reference samples of both Smallpox and Anthrax have been discovered, along with a brand new strain of botulinin.

    Saddam could have avoided all of this unpleasantness by just accounting for the WMD’s that he has used in the past, or has admitted to. But, no, that’s too fucking difficult. He aserts he doesn’t have any, and that’s good enough for you.

    Every intellegence service in the world INCLUDING SADDAM’s thought there were WMD’s in Iraq, so at most, even if none had been found, the assertion might have been a mistake, not a lie. (You do, of course, understand the difference, right?)

    That covers Bio and Chem weapons. All that’s left is nuclear, which brings us to the third leg, starting with the

    Yellowcake:

    Tons and Tons and Tons. How much do you want? Also, don’t forget the 1.77 metric tons (3800 pounds) of partially enriched Uranium. Oh, you mean NIOER yellowcake, right?

    Well, the fact is that if Joe Wilson would have left the fucking titty bar and actually looked for EVIDENCE, he would have discovered what the British MI6 reported - that Saddam had been TRYING to acquire yellowcake from AFRICA, which every spy in the entire western world already knew.

    Of course, that completely blows off the question of what exactly Iraq needed machinable Explosives for. Just to refresh you memory, there is only one known use for them - making Nuclear Weapons.

    The short answer is going to have to be: The entire administration working in concert with Bush lied us into Iraq.

    No, Dave, no one lied us into Iraq. But there are a shitload of liberals, cowards and communists trying to lie fast enough to get us out.

    Put down the kool-aid, Dave and see someone about the BDS. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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    Either preview sux, or this is all gonna disappear when I hit “submit”.

  108. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Anyone seen my car keys?

  109. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    An intelligence estimate shared by EVERY major agency in the world.

    Actually, our own intelligence agencies had problems with what the Administration was asserting. The administration deliberately discarded any estimates that didn’t fit into their scenario.

    The CIA and other intel agencies had staff leaving in droves because the intel was being cherrypicked. Rumsfeld created his own intelligence team because he was “unhappy” with the intelligence he was receiving. It wasn’t telling the story HE wanted told.

    Cheney and Libby used to go over to the CIA to browbeat analysts to come up with intelligence that would support their pre-conceived idea of an Iraqi invasion.

    You’ve been suckered into the idea that our intelligence agencies were all on board with this crap, when in reality, they knew next to nothing.

    The most we had was the bluster of a cornered despot whose tough talk was more of a preservation of his skin from his own people, than a viable threat to anyone else outside of his tiny hunk of real estate we allowed him to be.

    Well, the fact is that if Joe Wilson would have left the fucking titty bar and actually looked for EVIDENCE, he would have discovered what the British MI6 reported - that Saddam had been TRYING to acquire yellowcake from AFRICA, which every spy in the entire western world already knew.

    Oh, I see you are right, they did find Yellow Cake in Iraq:

    Actually, the 500 tons of yellow cake uranium had been sitting at the nuclear research center of Al—Tuwaitha for over a decade, under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency. EVERYone knew THAT yellow cake was there, and it was accounted for. The Yellow Cake Uranium that Bush and Company were referring to had been referenced as a NEW attempted acquisition by a series of documents that wound up being forgeries. THIS is what Joe Wilson was exposing: the fact that the documents were forgeries, and that Saddam had NOT been trying to obtain new shipments of Yellow Cake.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself why the Bush Administration hasn’t brought up the Yellow Cake issue since it was proven to be false. You would think that they would be falling all over themselves to show how “right” they were.

    Instead, they’ve changed the subject.

    No, Dave, no one lied us into Iraq.

    Most people in this country have finally realized that the Bush Administration is the Real Gang who Couldn’t Shoot Straight. They also know now that we were lied to.

  110. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    They also know now that we were lied to.

    Again Deej, what freakin LIE? You haven’t shown one single solitary instance of deliberate deception yet. Stop playing Stalin. You can repeat that mantra all you want, without proof we ain’t buyin’ it.

    Actually, our own intelligence agencies had problems with what the Administration was asserting. The administration deliberately discarded any estimates that didn’t fit into their scenario.

    What agencies Dave? The same ones that delivered the same estimates to the Clinton administration? How is that one administration can “cherry pick” the same intel that another believed, and it’s called a liar. As far as discarding estimates, which ones in particular? Kind of a broad statement ain’t it? And there are times in the intel biz where you will have conflicting info. Some times you have to make a decision which is probably more accurate. You’re ascribing an omniscience to the government, like they know all and see all. Sorry it don’t work that way in the real world. If it did we wouldn’t have estimates, we would have statements.

    Cheney and Libby used to go over to the CIA to browbeat analysts to come up with intelligence that would support their pre-conceived idea of an Iraqi invasion.

    They did the same with MI6, FSB (the former KGB), Mosad, the French DSGE, etc ad infinitum?

    Rumsfeld created his own intelligence team because he was “unhappy” with the intelligence he was receiving. It wasn’t telling the story HE wanted told.

    Maybe he wanted second opinions. Maybe he wanted independent corroboration. If he had operated off of sole source info the libs would be screaming about monopoly of information, shutting out other voices etc. Ala Cheney’s soooper sekrit energy commission meetings right?

    What’s next Dave, you gonna be a 9/11 truther next? Talk about being suckered.

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    DJ:
    Your retorts are always the same: Factless, and baseless.
    Why don’t you talk to people who are actually on the ground, fighting to preserve YOUR freedom instead of spitting out the left-wing rhetoric (which has become the rhetoric of Al-Quaida) and do something positive for us all.
    You chit chat with politicians? WOW, you must be a REAL insider. Hey, I lived in Hollywood for a while, so that must make me a Producer or Director.

    Talk about your “knowledge” to my husband, who has negotiated 4 kidnappings in the last 2 years.
    Oh, yeah, I’m sure you would have known about it… Wait??? It wasn’t in all of the AP reports???
    No WAY, DJ would have KNOWN!!!! You mean that there are important things happening in Iraq and Afghanistan that DJ doesn’t know about? NO WAY!!!!!!

    You don’t know anything about what is REALLY going on over there, you stupid asswipe, and you never will. But keep on blathering about how much YOU know, because we ALL find it so insightful.

    You’re so brilliant, DJ. “Talking” is the way to negotiate peace with terrorists. Hah! That’s the biggest laugh of the century. Do you know that in Farci(sic), there IS NO WORD FOR NEGOTIATE?
    Nope. I bet you didn’t know that. Because in the Middle East you either Conquer, or lose.
    There is no negotiation.

    But Bill Clinton won a Nobel Prize for his useless effort to do JUST THAT: Negotiate.
    What was the result? NOTHING. That’s what lefties love to honor: talk, with NO result.

    In my opinion, you are honestly the biggest idiot to contribute to this website. And since the PC users constantly seem to complain about having problems with this website, I don’t think you do a good job at what you claim to be such an expert at: hosting a website.
    (I don’t have any problems, but then again, I own a Mac).

    You don’t know the HALF of what is going on over in Iraq, moron. I do. I get it first hand from someone THERE.
    You will never hear about it in the media, because the good news would cause the lefties to lose the election. You WANT to lose the war so that you can win an election.

    I pity your ilk. Your kind will be the end of this country.

  112. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Nevermind…I found them.

  113. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Why don’t you talk to people who are actually on the ground, fighting to preserve YOUR freedom instead of spitting out the left-wing rhetoric (which has become the rhetoric of Al-Quaida) and do something positive for us all.

    Well then, that would let YOU out.

    I have talked to people on the ground, both currently and those that have come back — many in not the same condition they went over in.

    Talk about your “knowledge” to my husband, who has negotiated 4 kidnappings in the last 2 years.
    Oh, yeah, I’m sure you would have known about it… Wait??? It wasn’t in all of the AP reports???
    No WAY, DJ would have KNOWN!!!! You mean that there are important things happening in Iraq and Afghanistan that DJ doesn’t know about? NO WAY!!!!!!

    Here is a clue for you: If we weren’t futzing around in Iraq, there wouldn’t be any kidnapping negotiations to do, would there?

    Perhaps you haven’t paid attention when I’ve said Afghanistan is where we should be and should have been all along. Iraq was just George Bush’s agenda, and has been long before he became president.

    Iraq never has been about the “global” war on the tactic of Terror. PNAC had been scheming on this since the early 1990s, and how they were somehow going to create a Conservative Utopian Middle East Democracy, where Iraq would be the great model.

    I can’t help it if you are a gullible person who blindly believes that this administration didn’t lie your husband over there. The evidence is all over the place but you have to open your eyes to see it.

    Now don’t get me wrong on this: My beef is with the policy, not the people who are forced to carry it out.

    You don’t know the HALF of what is going on over in Iraq, moron. I do. I get it first hand from someone THERE.

    And my dad can beat up your dad?

    Don’t expect me to bow down to you just because you think you have the golden ear over there. You aren’t the only one who knows people “on the ground”. There are just as many opinions over there as there are here — even from those “in the know”.

    The difference between me and you is that you only listen ot ONE person. I listen to a LOT of people over there, and I have heard a LOT of differing opinions based upon region and what they are doing.

    The thing is, I question the policy of Iraq. Too many people warned against it, yet we did anyways.

    In my opinion, you are honestly the biggest idiot to contribute to this website.

    Since I am a gentleman, I won’t convey what I am thinking about you right now.

    And since the PC users constantly seem to complain about having problems with this website, I don’t think you do a good job at what you claim to be such an expert at: hosting a website.

    Perhaps you would like to step up and do it then? I mean, you have been talking out of the side of your neck for quite a while now, step up to the plate.

    (I don’t have any problems, but then again, I own a Mac).

    Wow, I am impressed. That just confirmed just about everything I needed to know. You are a silly person who paid too much for a computer that does so fucking little.

    Never mind that we have to actually specially code web pages so that your computer can actually render them.

    I pity your ilk. Your kind will be the end of this country.

    My kind? Sheese! Melodramatic much?

  114. Tsubaki Shijuro Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro

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    >War is a political decision, too important to be left to the Generals.

    If so, then it’s waaaaaaaaay too important to be left to politicians, and if only politicians and generals are in the running for making the decision, I’m going with the generals, who actually might have a brain and have had practical experience doing something other than picking my pocket.

  115. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I’m going with the generals, who actually might have a brain and have had practical experience doing something other than picking my pocket.

    Okay, then go with this General:

    The departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is expected to advise President Bush to reduce the U.S. force in Iraq next year by almost half.

    Yes, I know he is ‘departing’, which is probably why he is saying what he is saying now.

    Pace’s recommendations reflect the views of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which initially expressed skepticism in private about the strategy ordered by Bush and directed by Petraeus before publicly backing it.

    According to administration and military officials, the Joint Chiefs believe it is of strategic importance to reduce the size of the U.S. force in Iraq to bolster the military’s ability to respond to other threats, a view shared by Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    That must have caused a temper tantrum from the Boy King.

    Bush did not nominate Pace for a second term as chairman, and Pace will leave at the end of next month.

    Bush wants a “yes” General — a sychophant, and Pace wasn’t going to be that person.

    Bush has gotten rid of every general who had a differing opinion from his. This in itself should tell you something.

  116. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    DJ
    I have a Mac–please don’t beat me

    Nerbygirl
    It seems to be a foreign concept to you that people can favor different approaches and still want to win the war and have the troops come out okay. No one on this board wants to lose the war: that’s a horrible thing to say. Our soldiers (your husband) are fighting for our democracy–that includes the right to express different opinions.

    Crunchie
    Bush, 9/11, Iraq–not said directly, BUT

    In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.
    Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was “personally involved” in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

  117. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    TS

    Remember the starts in Afghanistan and Iraq? The decision to go to war was made by the politicians. The Military was told what the immediate objectives were and to go do it.

    Those goals were reached in record time, and the Military said “What next?” The politicians, lawyers, Ambassadors got involved and we ended up with Tora Bora, Fallujah, Baghdad’s Green Zone, etc.

    The pols didn’t say “stop”, but started insisting on ROE’s that just don’t work in a combat zone. Decisions like letting the population keep their personal AK’s so their pride wasn’t hurt. Hell, they could keep them, but if they are walking down a street with one, they should have been considered a combatant and shot on site.

  118. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    PC

    that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was “personally involved” in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago

    Maybe that’s just because of where they got their info…or that 45% of the population shouldn’t be let out of the house under any circumstance without a nanny.

    I have never heard anything that made me link saddam to 9/11. Did I believe he might have looked the other way re AQ in northern Iraq, yes. I think he just kept an eye on them and as long as they didn’t screw with him and made trouble for us, he’d tolerate it.

  119. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DJ
    I have a Mac–please don’t beat me

    I won’t hold it against you. I can’t help it if Mac consists of somewhere around 2 percent of the market, and is really only good for specialized tasks.

    (they are great machines for sound and for publishing, but that is about it.)

    It seems to be a foreign concept to you that people can favor different approaches and still want to win the war and have the troops come out okay. No one on this board wants to lose the war: that’s a horrible thing to say. Our soldiers (your husband) are fighting for our democracy–that includes the right to express different opinions.

    Well put, PsychoChick.

    This is the problem with people like NerbyGirl. They take dissention and twist it around so that you are “dumb”, a “traitor”, “you want to lose”, etc.

    No, just the opposite. We don’t want to start something that we have a very little chance of “winning”.

    Yes, we shocked and awed our way through Iraq in a few short weeks. It was spectacular, and we got to see it in all its glory with Geraldo making finger drawings in the sand. We were mighty, and we had all the big balls on.

    But the boy king never had a follow-up. We had a narrow opportunity to win the hearts and minds, but we blew it.

    We blew it because we took the jobs away from the Iraqis and gave them to contractors, who in turn imported cheap labor from other third world countries to do the jobs that Iraqis have done themselves for years.

    We disbanded the military and infrastructure jobs because they were held by former Baathists. (never mind that in order to get a job in Saddam’s Iraq, you had to be in the party)

    We cared more about the oil than we did about getting water and electricity going. By ALL accounts, (NerbyGirl), electricity and water are on less now than at any time leading up to the US invasion.

    There has been a lot of comparisons made between bringing democracy to Japan and what we are trying to do in Iraq right now. In fact, President Chuckles quoted “one historian” in a speech on Wednesday as he tried to link how both were the same.

    The historian was quick to say otherwise

    In Japan, we left the government intact. We left the security aparatus in place. We let the people work the jobs they had during and prior to the war.

    In Iraq, we wiped out the government. We took away the security aparatus, and gave the jobs to people other than Iraqis.

    Iraqis want us to leave, yet we are building the world’s largest embassy, along with twelve permanent bases. They are already suspicious of our true intents there, yet meanwhile we are trying to get our puppet government to turn over total control of the Iraqi oil and its profits to a few major oil companies.

    I had to get back to you on this one:

    Do you know that in Farci(sic), there IS NO WORD FOR NEGOTIATE?

    Sure there is:

    But it is a concept, very similar to barter — which is something they have been doing for thousands of years.

    Here is the problem with people like you. You make this assumption that Iraq and Iran are this backwards stone-aged civilization, when in reality, they have been doing this stuff for thousands of years longer than we have. We own a lot of our knowledge and civilization to Iraq and Iran. We didn’t invent it, we got it from them.

    Right now there is a brain-drain of Iraqi refugees leaving Iraq. It is estimated that roughly ten percent of the entire Iraqi population is now living outside of the country — most of them being the skilled labor force of doctors, lawyers, engineers, construction, ect.

    If you think that we don’t have to talk to these neighboring countries in order to find a solution to the troubles in Iraq, then you are a very dense person.

    It is time for bed.

  120. Tsubaki Shijuro Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro

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    >This in itself should tell you something.

    Yes, that politicians shouldn’t be in charge of wars.
    Thank you for making my point for me.

  121. Tsubaki Shijuro Comment by Tsubaki Shijuro

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    >In Japan, we left the government intact. We left the security aparatus in place. We let the people work the jobs they had during and prior to the war.

    Well…no.
    We hung some of them and “gave” them a new constitution. What was left intact was essentially just the mid-level bureaucracy–the paper-pushers. We disbanded their military, took away their ability to kill people and break things effectively, and had already killed a lot of their police force before the end of the war.
    And, a large percentage of those jobs people had worked during and prior to the war were no longer in existence, since much of the country was flat. There was also a huge influx of foreign companies that came in to take part in the rebuilding. (That’s why they got all new stuff, while companies in the U.S. were still using machines that had been sitting in their factories since 1903.)
    Early post-war Japan was a very lawless and dangerous place, except where the U.S. military had a significant presence. On a daily basis, normal people stood in ration lines (if they hadn’t already starved to death, chased thieves out of their houses, and other than having to deal with as many terrorists as the Iraqis do (though there were certainly plenty), were in a much worse situation than Iraq is right now.

    But, no, Iraq and Japan are not the same. The Japanese certainly had negative elements of their history and culture that contributed to the war, etc., but in general they had not developed the culture of death and insanity that the Islamofascists have been establishing so wholeheartedly since Mohammad first started brutalizing people. There were certain factions in Japan that were like that, but in general, modern Japanese before and during WWII were an educated, refined, and civilized people. There had already been popular movements since the 19th century to establish liberty, so the wide-spread desire was already there with the non-politician/non-military citizenry.

  122. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Amendment VII

    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Obviously, $20 in the late 18th century was worth much more than it is today.

    So two questions:

    1. Was inflation something the Founding Fathers were farmiliar with? (Had the economies of the world at that time been relatively stable and unchangeable?)

    2. Could this minor flaw in the document be used by America Hating Gun Grabbers to redefine the wording in the 2nd (or any other part of the Constitution)?

  123. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    BJ Allyn does his best lying shit-weasel away from the question. It’s only what I expected, Dave. BDS is a terrible disease. sucking terrorist cock is worse. DJ Allyn is an enabler of the next holocaust and totally ignorant of history.

  124. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Ten-Ten @ 122

    I was looking at this very Amendment last week when Aaron was told he didn’t have the right to a jury trial to contest a speeding ticket. The ‘value’ was the penalty involved of over $100, and apparently the burden of proof has passed from the government to the defendent.

    The ticketing officer no longer has to appear in court, so the defendent has no right to face his or her accuser.

    BJ Allyn does his best lying shit-weasel away from the question. It’s only what I expected, Dave. BDS is a terrible disease. sucking terrorist cock is worse. DJ Allyn is an enabler of the next holocaust and totally ignorant of history.

    I wonder, do people like you always talk in slogans or the catch phrases of the day?

    Bush Derangement Syndrome? Krauthammer coined that phrase because Howard Dean had a theory that the Bush administration had prior warning from the Saudis of the 9/11 attacks.

    It was a hunch, based upon the fact that the only plane allowed to fly out of the country immediately after the attacks was the plane with key Saudis and the bin Laden family.

    Is this paranoia any different that the BCDS or the HCDS you constantly see here at this site?

    But hey if you want to psychoanylize someone from afar, Dr. Justin Frank has already done Bush I figure if Charles Krauthammer and “discover” a syndrome based on a hunch Howard Dean might have, and former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist can make a medical diagnosis by watching a video tape, then a pschoanalyst who is currently working in the field can do the same with President Bunnypants.

    You have to understand, I don’t dislike Bush, I don’t hate him. I just think he is inept, inarticulate, disinterested, and totally wrong for the job. If he were in management of a company, he would probably be let go. He has failed or been bailed out of virtually every business venture he’s ever been in. Even his time with the Texas Rangers was subsidized by other people’s money. Yet he is touted as this great ‘business mind’ with his Harvard and Yale degrees. (barely average at best, btw)

    Bush is a puppet, whose masters are jumping ship. Prior to 9/11, his approval rating was steadily declining and only got its jump on 9/11.

    Now look at his approval ratings — 28 percent approve, and almost 70 percent with BDS? :em99:

    Note the small bump in approval at the beginning of the Iraq invasion, and then the steady decline since, once people started to realize what a tool fool Bush really is.

    Let’s contrast that with Bill Clinton’s approval ratings, shall we?

    Notice the contrast? Clinton winds up getting impeached by a Republican majority in the House, and his approval ratings are almost as high as Bush’s disapproval ratings at the very same time in his term.

    What does all of this prove?

    It proves that us Liberals have been right all along:

    Bush is an idiot and most certainly the wrong person for the job.

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    DJ sez:

    Notice the contrast? Clinton winds up getting impeached by a Republican majority in the House, and his approval ratings are almost as high as Bush’s disapproval ratings at the very same time in his term.

    Not sure what all of this means man, but it shouldn’t surprise anyone that clintons poll numbers were high during that time. Think back, the media (yes the eeeeeevil Republican corporate media) did their utmost to carry the water for clinton, they made the House impeachment managers out to be nothing short of intolerant nazis…intent on a coup. In fact, the word “coup” was used by many democrats to describe what was going on. The word was used in countless interviews on cnn and the other msm outlets. It was designed to give clinton maximum approval ratings, and that’s why the vote in the Senate went the way it did…everyone read the manipulated polls and got scared for their jobs.

    now, I’ve been suckered into polls twice…once during the impeachment hearings and once during the current Iraq war. When asked about whether I supported the impeachment of clinton, I asked the pollster “Do you mean if I support his impeachment on the current charges?, why no I don’t” I always thought that the whole perjury investigation was a diversion from more serious investigations that Starr was about to launch. Investigations about technology transfers to N. Korea and the receiving of campaign contributions from China etc….but I wasn’t allowed to detail my answer as such. The pollster put me down as a No vote.

    Same with the Iraq war poll, I was asked if I supported the war in Iraq. This was 2 years ago when we were playing nice in our warfighting…I said that I didn’t support the WAY the war was being fought…the pollster said she would put me down as a don’t support vote and that’s when I hung up on her.

    What I’m saying DJ, is if you want to rely on polls to firm up your arguments you’re doing your intelligence and the merit of your arguments a HUGE disservice. Polls are manipulated, agenda driven, edited packs of disinformation. We as a nation would be much better off if we didn’t take them so seriously.

    And any politician that relies on polls to determine their actions in office should be cast adrift in the Potomac River. We have a representative government, our politicians are elected to represent the views and concerns of their electorate. Even though they often lose sight of that duty, it should be all the polling that is required.

    What does all of this prove?

    It proves that us Liberals have been right all along:

    Bush is an idiot and most certainly the wrong person for the job.

    According to which poll man?

  126. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    A quick spell check notice:

    In the Site Membership block on the top left? Privileges is spelled wrong….there’s no D in it
    :em98:

    or so the polls say….. :em95:

  127. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    What is it about polls that make them so very important to liberals? That is, when they appear to SUPPORT their argument, of course.

    Mr. Allyn, I had a president that governed based on opinion polls. He was an ass. Opinion polls prove nothing, except perhaps how uninformed much of the American public is, and how gullible when it comes to swallowing our media’s spin.

    Moving on.

    You know what? I’m getting almost as tired of the,

    “Bush deliberately led people to believe that Saddam was responsible for 9/11,”

    bullshit as I am the, “Bush lied,” bullshit.

    When you use hindsight to accuse the president of, “lying,” there is one little, but quite significant, flaw. Presuming he was, indeed, presented with evidence, prior to the Iraq invasion, that contradicted the, “status-quo,” of intelligence that had been floating since the first gulf war, you are left with proving that BUSH KNEW THAT THE CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION WAS CORRECT, and ignored it in order to go to war.

    Proof please. Your believing it isn’t proof.

    Besides, based on the obvious fact that there were numerous OTHER reasons that Clinton made ‘regime change in Iraq’ United States Government Policy, in 1998, and there were numerous OTHER reasons in the AUMF, your WMD argument really doesn’t mean shit, D.J.

    Read all those statements posted above that were made by those Democrats, DJ. Were they all fooled by idiot George W. Bush? Did idiot George W. Bush cook all that international intelligence?

    I’m so bored with the, “Bush lied,” crap.

  128. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    What does all of this prove?

    It proves that us Liberals have been

    . . in charge of the media all along. Hell, we knew that already.

    Ya wanna look at polls? How about Congressional approval? Bit lower than Dubya’s. Handling of the war? Congressional approval is lower than the margin of error. Congressional DISAPPROVAL is setting new records.

    Dave, I’m still waiting on a single LIE.

    I have my problems with the President, as I believe has been made adequately clear. The war has been handled wrong from the beginning, to include the explainations for going in the first place. That, however, was a bad sales job, not a deliberate lie. The Illegal Alien problem and immigration issue has been a total clusterfuck.

    But the “Bush Lied” meme is bullshit.

  129. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    FIANLLY got that in without the Site Mainenance screen popping up! Yay!

  130. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    It proves that us Liberals have been right all along:

    Now there’s a leap that’d scare hell outta’ Evel Kneivel.
    Still aint heard a single thing ‘cept polls to back up the old talkni’ points.

    The saudi story is old crap

    There aint no qualifyin’ some non-pro evaluation by if=thereforin’ non relevant comparasons,
    But even with the fractured veracity,,in a liberal’s mind,,it all falls into the durable evidence category sufficient to conclude that “they had it right all along.”

    If I tried to get drunk enough to understand all that, ‘couldn’t face monday.

    Well, after all I’ve heard this week, it sure doesn’t mesh at all with what we heard at go-time., The before and after go-time video of their decision to attack Iraq,, have a little hoot at liberal war-cries and sabre rattling…snikker. Its,,just ,,so,,hollow.

    There is no way in hell Dubya could have gone to war if the dems didn’t want him to.
    It was a trap, they knew all along they’d jump ship, turn coat, blame it on Dubya.

    It’s their war, and they’re just too stupid to know how to fight one.

  131. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Think back, the media (yes the eeeeeevil Republican corporate media) did their utmost to carry the water for clinton, they made the House impeachment managers out to be nothing short of intolerant nazis

    Hmmm, that must have been that parallel universe you were in, because through the entire Clinton terms, the press gleefully reported each and every little faux scandal the Republican operatives could think up.

    But if the impeachment managers appeared to be intolerant nazis, it probably was the way they were acting.

    But hey, one of those former House Impeachment Managers now says that Bush should be impeached now.

    Here is an excerpt from our transcript:

    Bob Barr, on The Thom Hartmann show

    [2007/07/26 10:22:34] Bob Barr: Our civil liberties, our right to privacy, are disappearing before our very eyes…

    …the unabashed way our political leaders are playing on our fears to increase military powers…

    The remedy? The vice president and the neocons have worked their way into the top echalons of power.
    One: Take advantage of the new leadership in Congress, like Patrick Leahy…who are in a position to conduct oversight hearings…against the Department of Justice, against the illicit, unlawful surveillance of citizens. Especially that…The Democrats neet to change the laws. The ACLU deserves our support. This kind of thing takes a long time.
    Two: Get the people in power to support the Constitution.

    [I ] support an inquiry into the issues, like FISA issues especially, which are the most serious potential grounds for impeachment. They have violated federal laws… perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Now before you bring out that BDS wagon again, let me say that I am strongly against impeaching Bush or Cheney. I want to keep them around as long as possible, because they will do more to elect a Democrat in office than any ad campaign.

    I see Alberto is jumping ship now. Another “heckuva job” going home to “spend some time with the family”.

    I expect Dick Cheney to be one of the next ones to leave — bowing out for “health reasons”. That way Bush can slide Rudy into the job.

    Mr. Allyn, I had a president that governed based on opinion polls.

    Which was why he had such high approval ratings — he did what people wanted. Duh.

    He was an ass.

    Because he didn’t do what you wanted. Again, duh.

    Look, I didn’t care for a lot of what Clinton did. He was too much of a corporatist, and so is his wife, Hillary. He could smile at you and give you what you think you wanted, but at the same time distract you while he slipped some other crap past you.

    But he was no where near as inept and dangerous as the low beam we have occupying the position now.

    Yes, Clinton lied about having sex. He lied to a Grand Jury that was looking into just about everything Ken Starr and the rest of the Republicans could think up. The Starr report lists eleven points where Clinton lied about his affair with Monica Lewinski.

    Yes, it was stupid. The whole fucking “scandal” was stupid. Furthermore, it was none of our business.

    Most people in this country were against impeachment, unlike now, where a large portion would like to see both Bush and Cheney impeached.

  132. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    . . . and we see Bob Barr in a position of power with the Government, right? This is the same Bob Barr, former Congressmen from Georgia that was being attacked as such a nut case only a few years ago, now being cited as an Authority by one of the people who so hated him just a short while back. Curioser and curioser.

    Yes, Clinton lied about having sex. He lied to a Grand Jury that was looking into just about everything Ken Starr and the rest of the Republicans could think up.

    And what got him in trouble (and cost him his law license in his home state of Arkansas) was lying to the Grand Jury investigting his CIVIL sexual harrassment of Paula Jones. A Sexual Harrassment complaint he eventually settled by pleading guilty and paying Ms. Jones roughly $800,000.

    That was why he was impeached. Not for Ken Starr’s allegations. Not for sex. Getting his dick wet, and with whom, is none of our business, but violations of his sworn oath as, among other things, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States, IS our business, and should disqualify him from holding any position of trust in our Government.

    As I believe was pointed out a few days ago, The Mafia doesn’t lie to Grand Juries. Bill Clinton plead guilty to doing exactly that.

    Just another liberal lie that the left can’t let go of.

  133. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    BJ, where’s that lie, Graphman? Oh, let’s look at the democrat cockbreaths who were duped by BOOOSH!

    http://www.whosaiditiraq.blogspot.com/

    Are you going to asnwer LC Wil’s question, or not?
    Bwaaa, haaaa, haaaa….

  134. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Mr. Allyn, I had a president that governed based on opinion polls…Which was why he had such high approval ratings — he did what people wanted. Duh.

    Great leadership there. How about actually leading instead of pandering. Leading and doing the right thing are often very unpopular (like being a real parent). :roll: :em98:

  135. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Well I’ll give your sorry ass credit for one thing BJ…you sure stirred up the shit…of course with your head being filled with that material, my guess is, is wasn’t hard….3 days away, and 7 pages of BJ bashing…got to love it!

    hOOt

  136. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    . . . and we see Bob Barr in a position of power with the Government, right?

    Are you saying he is not allowed to have an opinion on this, considering he was at the center of the last impeachment, and somewhat of an expert at it?

    This is the same Bob Barr, former Congressmen from Georgia that was being attacked as such a nut case only a few years ago, now being cited as an Authority by one of the people who so hated him just a short while back.

    Are you saying I hated him? I didn’t agree with him, but I didn’t hate him. I don’t agree with you a lot of the time, but I certainly don’t hate you. Heck, I even like you.

    Just because I do or don’t agree with him doesn’t mean he isn’t an “authority” on what is or isn’t an impeachable offense.

    I only brought it up because I found it to be interesting that a person who was involved in one impeachment already, is now calling for it again. THAT is the curious thing.

    Do I agree with him now? Not necessarily. I think that there should be more investigation before we start throwing around accusations for impeachment. We got bupkis right now, and you don’t impeach on bupkis.

    Besides, what would be the point, anyways? By the time it ever got to the point of impeachment, the man would be out of office already. THEN, once impeached, it would never make it through the Senate.

    It would be an exercise in futility. Continue with the oversight hearings.

    was lying to the Grand Jury investigting his CIVIL sexual harrassment of Paula Jones

    Actually, the Grand Jury was part of the Ken Starr investigation. He lied there too. The Paula Jones incident was a sworn deposition.

    Both investigations were related because both were fueled by Richard Mellon Scaife, Susan Carpenter-McMillan, the Landmark Legal Foundation, R. Emmett Tyrrell and various Wall Street Journal editorial writers.

    (and you complain about George Soros?) :em99:

    A Sexual Harrassment complaint he eventually settled by pleading guilty and paying Ms. Jones roughly $800,000.

    As I recall, her case had been dismissed, and she was in the US Circuit Court of Appeals, and Bill Clinton decided to buy her off without admitting to wrong doing, just to make it all go away. He probably thought it would be cheaper in the long run than to have it drag through the courts for a couple of more years — especially since his wife was eying the Senate seat in NY.

    but violations of his sworn oath as, among other things, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States, IS our business, and should disqualify him from holding any position of trust in our Government.

    You didn’t have your coffee this morning, did you, Wil?

    Clinton was not the Chief Law Enforcement Officer. That would be the Attorney General.

    But I am glad you touched on this. Let’s fast-forward to the present and immediate past, shall we?

    Scooter Libby.

    Here was a man that was convicted on four counts of lying to law enforcement, and the Grand Jury.

    The fact that he wasn’t charged with any other crime does not negate the fact that he lied in the investigation. That would still be a crime all by itself.

    You screamed bloody murder that Bush didn’t pardon Scooter, and instead only commuted the sentence. (for now) Apparently, the Federal Sentencing Guidelines are too tough.

    Then we have an actual Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, who is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the country. He has been caught lying under oath several times in front of Congress. Even the Republicans in Congress want to see him go.

    Now I guess he is leaving in mid-September.

    Bill Clinton plead guilty to doing exactly that.

    Actually, it was contempt of court, and doesn’t require a plea, only a finding.

    But yes, a lie is a lie is a lie.

    Clinton should have just come clean immediately and taken the wind out of the sails. He would have gone through a small depression in his polling, but certainly would have recovered.

    Should he have been impeached? Sure — if you apply the same standard all across the board.

    Well I’ll give your sorry ass credit for one thing BJ…you sure stirred up the shit…of course with your head being filled with that material, my guess is, is wasn’t hard….3 days away, and 7 pages of BJ bashing…got to love it!

    Where would you be without me, hOOter? You’d just be one tiny turd floating around just trying to stink enough to be smelled by someone.

    BTW, do you call yourself hOOt, because you are just one big boob?

  137. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Clinton was not the Chief Law Enforcement Officer. That would be the Attorney General.

    Actually, The President, as head of the Executive branch is legally the boss of the AG, and therefore the highest Law Enforcment Official in the Country. This has been affirmed by the Supreme Court, the most recent time was during the Civil War, IIRC.

    Then we have an actual Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, who is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the country. He has been caught lying under oath several times in front of Congress.

    Where? Again, a difference of opinion does not constitute a lie, and members of our August Senate intentionally misconstruing two seperate conversations, from two seperate occasions, does not manufacture a lie. Muller was talking about one (still classified) program, and Gonzales, another. That was not news over a month ago.

    Even the Republicans in Congress want to see him go.

    Some do, yes. As a matter of fact, I’m no particular fan of his, either, but I would imagine that this is for somewhat different reason than your’s. Personally, the Texas Old Boy network is a bit thin. I know roughly a hundred people who would have been much better qualified, including several *gasp* Democrats.

    That has nothing to do with my personal dislike of a good man being smeared for no good reason. I don’t like him, but I have no reason to dislike him, particularly either. He is a decent Human Being, doing what is, on a good day, a nasty, unappreciated job. He deserves our sympathy for the shit he has had to put up with, not our approbrium.

    Actually, it was contempt of court, and doesn’t require a plea, only a finding.

    Bill Clinton did indeed plead guilty, to the civil offense of Contempt of Court. The specification was lying to a Grand Jury investigating the allegations of Civil Discovery deficiencies in the Paula Jones Sexual Harrassment Lawsuit, and during the discovery phase of that lawsuit.

    Forgive me, please, if I shorthand too much for the benefit of the audience we seem to draw. Such things are not intended to be an insult to your intellegence, only to make it easier to understand for those who follow . . .

    Are you saying I hated him? I didn’t agree with him, but I didn’t hate him

    Ok. I thought it was something I remembered you saying a long while back, but then, they say that memory is the first thing to go. I’ll take your word for it, but there are sure a lot of people on your side of the aisle that do. I’m glad you are not one of them.

    I don’t agree with you a lot of the time, but I certainly don’t hate you. Heck, I even like you.

    I don’t hate you either, my brother (even though, I am sure that some part of the audience is awaiting spilled blood), and I truly enjoy the time we spend debating, as it is both educational for me, and helps me in my attempts to understand your side of the aisle.

    ======================

    Too many subjects for one post . . .

    Dave, someday, we will both have proof of the truth or lack of for all of this debate. Some day, we will both stand before the Tester of All, and we will know for certain all the answers we seek. Until then, I enjoy the debate, and hope you do as well.

    Go with God, and be Well, my friend.

  138. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Where would I be BJ? Enjoying and living life, what’s your sorry excuse? You bitter, flacid fool.

    And b-t-w, the reason you didn’t join, you are a gutless fuck, no matter the war or situation, you would be hiding, as always behind the nearest whore’s skirt…nothing more, nothing less, you know it, and I know it…therefore anything you say about Vietnam or Iraq doesn’t mean squat….does it?

    hOOt

  139. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    hOOT
    He strongly implied he fought in Israel.

  140. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    U-Haul

    Since this is an open thread, I wanted to mention an investigative report on U-Haul (LAT). Apparently they tend not to maintain their trucks like they are supposed to, but sign off like they did. They promise trucks when there are none available in that area, and have been very unhelpful to people having problems with them on the road.

    I hope to die in this house and never move again, but if you have to, they sound like a horrible rental company.

  141. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Actually, The President, as head of the Executive branch is legally the boss of the AG, and therefore the highest Law Enforcment Official in the Country. This has been affirmed by the Supreme Court, the most recent time was during the Civil War, IIRC.

    From the Office of the Attorney General:

    The Judiciary Act of 1789 created the Office of the Attorney General which evolved over the years into the head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government. The Attorney General represents the United States in legal matters generally and gives advice and opinions to the President and to the heads of the executive departments of the Government when so requested. In matters of exceptional gravity or importance the Attorney General appears in person before the Supreme Court. Since the 1870 Act that established the Department of Justice as an executive department of the government of the United States, the Attorney General has guided the world’s largest law office and the central agency for enforcement of federal laws. [Emphasis Mine]

    Nixon tried that argument also — and failed.

    The power of the President in legal matters is the power of hiring and firing, not the power of superseding his legal judgment for that of the Attorney General, which is the Chief Law Officer.

    Muller was talking about one (still classified) program, and Gonzales, another

    Except that his recently released notes backs up Mueller and Comey’s version of events.

    Now I know you aren’t going to like the source I am about to give you, but frankly, I will never find a Right-wing source that will highlight the lies.

    But here are six of the major quoted lies, complete with the proof of the lie.

    This isn’t an opinion piece, you can easily look up every fact Paul Kiel used to point out the lie. I have no problem going to NewsMax or WND to view information if I can use it to find corroborating sources, so you should have no problem finding back up material for what he wrote.

    Some do, yes. As a matter of fact, I’m no particular fan of his, either, but I would imagine that this is for somewhat different reason than your’s. Personally, the Texas Old Boy network is a bit thin. I know roughly a hundred people who would have been much better qualified, including several *gasp* Democrats.

    Actually a lot do, and exactly for the reasons I am talking about.

    I agree, there were a LOT of people much more qualified for the job. Hell, you are probably more qualified than Alberto. I shudder to think that he was once on a short list for the Court. (which tells you what a great mind George Bush has. Harriet Meyers, and Gonzalez?

    Bill Clinton did indeed plead guilty, to the civil offense of Contempt of Court.

    I hate to break it to you, but when a court issues a civil contempt citation, it means that the court has already found you to be in contempt, and all that is left to decide is what the penalty — if any — will be.

    A civil contempt citation does not carry a conviction, but it can carry fines and in Clinton’s case, his law license suspended.

    It would have been different in a criminal contempt charge. The defendent would have the right to a trial, and would have had a conviction if found guilty.

    But no, he never pled guilty to any crime, nor was he convicted.

    I did an interesting little experiment, because I keep hearing Conservatives say Clinton was convicted

    I Googled the following:

    “Bill Clinton pled”

    It brought me three results, all three of them from Right-wing sites: The Volokh Conspiracy, Wide Awakes, and Free Republic. The last two even said he pled guilty to perjury and obstruction, which he was never charged with, although he could have been.

    “Bill Clinton pleads”:

    Five hits there, but none are connected to his legal troubles.

    “Bill Clinton convicted”

    This was the fun one. Fun in the sense that there were a lot of people asking if he had been convicted of perjury, and others who insisted that he had been convicted in the House of Representatives, but not removed from office by the Senate.

    Obviously, there are a lot of people who think that if you are impeached in the House, then you are “convicted”. They don’t understand that impeachment is very similar to an ‘indictment”, and that to be convicted you have to stand trial in the Senate and be convicted. Clinton stood trial, but was acquited by one vote.

    The specification was lying to a Grand Jury investigating the allegations of Civil Discovery deficiencies in the Paula Jones Sexual Harrassment Lawsuit, and during the discovery phase of that lawsuit.

    Perhaps you should read this

  142. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    interesting

    Border patrol seizes money without cause, won’t give it back.

    Thoughts?

  143. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Another topic. Total Lunar Eclipse tonight. Pacific time, totality is from about 3 AM to 4:30 Am.

    Here’s a link that will give you a link for your U.S. time zone. The rest of you will have to figure it out, though I did read that the Philippines will suffer heavy cloud cover.

    Total Lunar Eclipse: August 28, 2007

  144. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SoCal
    awesome! Thanks for mentioning it–I’m still reading the paper. I’ve been trying to go to bed earlier–now I have the perfect excuse to stay up until 3 AM.

    Seagoon
    haven’t been able to think of any logical reason for stealing that money, unless they assume that any large amount of money is drug-related. Evil bastards?

  145. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Where would I be BJ? Enjoying and living life, what’s your sorry excuse? You bitter, flacid fool.

    And you say that I’m the one that is bitter? :em99: Am I keeping you from enjoying and living life?

    I don’t need an excuse — I am fine. You are the one looking for excuses as to why your life is so rotten.

    I am curious, cOOtch, what is your preoccupation with male genitalia and whether it is hard or not?

    And b-t-w, the reason you didn’t join, you are a gutless fuck, no matter the war or situation, you would be hiding, as always behind the nearest whore’s skirt…nothing more, nothing less, you know it, and I know it…therefore anything you say about Vietnam or Iraq doesn’t mean squat….does it?

    For someone who insinuated that he had a BA, a BS, and a MS, you don’t know much about run-on sentences, do you?

    I chose not to join because I didn’t agree with the policy. I wasn’t drafted because my lottery number was high enough I didn’t have to go. I can’t help it if the only choice you had was to enlist or go to jail. (Okay, I am guessing there, but given your “conversation” up until now, what else do I have to go on? I doubt seriously you chose to enlist because you felt a noble cause. Most likely, if you weren’t drafted, you really had no other options.

    Still, not my problem, and I could care less.

    AND, as Psychochick just told you, I was otherwise involved in something much more important.

    I also go back to Israel on a fairly regular basis. I have been to Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, too. I have seen a lot of this stuff up front and personal. A couple of years ago I lost my favorite Aunt and a close friend in a suicide bombing while she was on a bus.

    I have friends who happen to be Palesinians. I have Arab friends, Islamic friends, and even Catholic friends. I am Jewish by birth, but non-practicing.

    You talk tough, but do so from behind a monitor. Maybe you don’t realize how silly you sound, or maybe you are to dense to care.

    Try not to think about me so much, and maybe you can figure out how to live with yourself and enjoy the life you are missing.

    Putz.

  146. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    haven’t been able to think of any logical reason for stealing that money, unless they assume that any large amount of money is drug-related. Evil bastards?

    If this trucker can come up with around 27K worth of legitimate invoices that need to be paid, he should get his money back ASAP, and the government needs to prove the expenses aren’t legitimate, innocent until proven guilty and all. I can see putting a hold on it, but a year’s wait would put him out of business.

    Besides, isn’t drugs go north and cash goes south the way it usually works?

  147. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    SoCal, that was my thought- hell, as far as I’m concerned all he needs to do is swear out an affidavit that the money was his alone.

    Money is not contraband without hard proof of criminal involvement.

    Bastards.

    Oh, and DJ- I’m glad that at least you understand that defending your homeland (or the home of your family) comes first.

    Where I went to school it’s called having your priorities right, and is generally regarded as a good thing.

  148. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    On a tech note, my comments just locked up for about an hour…

    Any reason DJ? The comments would reject with an error box, then the page wouldn’t refresh for an hour…

  149. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Methinks Deej was playing with the server.

    It’s a nice slow time for the Rotties off the West coast, but for me, it’s prime time. We need to get more monies diverted to Tech Wizardry and relocate him to Tibet, so his “middle of the night” futzing doesn’t get me on the phone with my cable company. :em93:

    (I know just try another site and see if it loads, but it always when I post a great comment and am waiting for acclamation of my insite to the core of the problem that this seems to happen.)

  150. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    you think you have time issues, SoCal- it’s just before 5pm here- and the eclipse is beginning….

  151. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Nope, I gave the times for totality PDT, not start and end, plus I gave a site for those here in the U.S. to get the time, and stated that the rest of you would have to do the figuring on your own.

    You did make me get up and run outside, ya bastard. :em99: Now I gotta have another beer and cigarette to calm down. Still 1 hour five till total.

  152. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    seagoon
    What brought that article to your attention? Do you normally check out that paper? Or do you guys have a sizable database of relevant articles at any given time?

  153. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    You did make me get up and run outside, ya bastard.

    hey, you should have seen the little flag by my name… though I envy your timing, because it’s going to be a pretty drab eclipse at 6pm China standard.

  154. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    PC
    You get enough of nuts like us reading the intertubes, you find interesting and diverse info.

    seagoon

    though I envy your timing, because it’s going to be a pretty drab eclipse at 6pm China standard.

    For once in my life, I’m in the prime position for one of the celestial shows. My boy and I are going out back and looking through his telescope. He’s 18, so this is close to one of those last father son things before he’s always off with his fiends to enjoy something like this.

  155. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    PC, let me introduce the daily rotten, all the news you never need…

  156. psychochick Comment by psychochick

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    seagoon
    I figured that was pretty straightforward to get info on. I was curious about the cross-border money theft article.

  157. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    I know, I got it assbackwards, and have edited to reflect that.

  158. psychochick Comment by psychochick

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    seagoon
    oh dear god. I have this combination of strong revulsion mixed with intrigue. I’m glad I asked you.

  159. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    Lunar eclipse is well on its way. Better get out there and take a look. :em95:

  160. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    dailyrotten is great!

  161. WayneB Comment by WayneB

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    Dang it - my wife told me the eclipse was going on, but I didn’t get out of bed before the moon was gone behind the trees (EST - 6AM).

    U-Haul

    Since this is an open thread, I wanted to mention an investigative report on U-Haul (LAT). Apparently they tend not to maintain their trucks like they are supposed to, but sign off like they did. They promise trucks when there are none available in that area, and have been very unhelpful to people having problems with them on the road.

    Things like this are highly dependent on the locality. I’ve used U-Haul trucks for myself and others at least a dozen times over the past 20 years, and never had a problem. On the other hand, I’ve had good experiences with a number of companies who had gotten bad reports elsewhere. Even the local Post Offices are pretty good.

  162. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    Any reason DJ? The comments would reject with an error box, then the page wouldn’t refresh for an hour…

    Ummmmm.

    Hmmmmm.

    *scratch* *scratch*

    Nope, no reason I can think of, except this server at Hosting Matters has been getting slower, and slower…

    It is too early in the year for archiving, and I really don’t think that’s the problem.

    This site is on a shared hosting service where there are probably up to 750 other web hosting accounts stuffed on a server all sharing the same resources.

    I have a FIOS, a cable, and a T-3 line and it loads slowly on all three of them.

  163. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    Thanks DJ, could also be my current location and the corporate server…

    But it was odd, I usually have no issues other than slow load times.

  164. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    Of course, you can see how much faster this site loads on MY server.

    I created a copy of this site, including all of the data up until NOON Pacific.

    So much nicer when it isn’t on a shared hosting plan, isn’t it?