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The SWAT Nazis Done Fucked Up Good This Time
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in "Law" of the Land, Totalitarians, Useless Swine5:23 PM
Another day, another bunch of ‘roid monkey mall ninjas in military gear execute a “no-knock” warrant and end up killing shit (Hat tip Hot Air).
Only this time, the SWAT Nazi apes acted without a “no-knock” warrant, it was a standard search warrant, and after gunning down two supposedly viciously feral and highly lethal labradors (thank heavens no killer wabbits were present or the SWAT-heads would’ve probably called in an airstrike), it turns out that it’s not just any house, it’s the mayor’s house.
Not that that ought to make a difference, but that’s how the real world works. If it’s one of us ordinary plebes having our houses come under artillery fire followed by a bunch of sub-retarded, Small Penis Syndrome SWAT Sufferers™ gunning down everything that moves, nothing will happen. This time, something actually might happen.
And you gotta love them ‘roid raging monkeys and their devotion to duty:
“This crime was compounded by law enforcement when it illegally invaded the Calvo home, tied up the mayor and his mother-in-law, and killed the family dogs,” Timothy Maloney, the family’s attorney, tells the paper. “The Calvo family is still waiting for an explanation from law enforcement as to how this could possibly have happened.”
Taking no chances there, that’s for sure. After all, mom-in-law or the mayor might have gone for the MG42 or the RPGs.
As to how it could have happened? Read the news lately? It happens all the fucking time with those answerable to no one Nazi freaks masturbating to their own power. At least no innocent humans were killed this time. That alone makes for a Happy Ending™ when the gummint Sturmtruppen are involved.
Hang the whole sorry lot of them, then hang the ones responsible for hiring them as well as anybody who failed somehow throughout their useless, worthless lives to teach them how to slit their own wrists.
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Not only that but one of the dogs was running away from the Cops!
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OH Yeah, Foist!
August 8th, 2008 at 5:39 PMUsing
He was probably going for the Mossberg in the bedroom, dontcha know?
If The Stupid™ was a religion, SWAT would make Scientology look like amateurs.
August 8th, 2008 at 5:50 PMUsing
Shooting a Labrador retriever is like shooting a cat. What did they think it would do - LICK them to death?
August 8th, 2008 at 5:54 PMUsing
Jesus, I’m getting sick of going over this, but yes, a certain amount of Blue on Blue casualties are inevitable. For each of the hundreds of successful operations, there are a certain amount of operations that are botched. Those officers involved are idiots and should be arrested but that’s no reason to hate all SWAT the way you do, any more than the fact that friendly artillery sometimes hit friendly troops is a reason to hate all artillery crewmen.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:05 PMUsing
But these particular assholes got some ’splainin’ to do. Oh yes they do.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:36 PMUsing
The excuse I heard for executing the “no-knock” warrant that they didn’t have was that the mother-in-law saw the SWAT coming towards the house and screamed. Then they barged in because they felt that this alert would allow the suspects in the house to either get armed or destroy evidence. But, if they felt like that the entire time, then they should have gotten an actual no-knock warrant. I mean, walking up to the door and knocking, and saying “Sir, Sheriff’s Department, and we have a search warrant” isn’t going to alert those inside to grab a weapon and destroy evidence?
As far as shooting the dogs, only, and ONLY, if they are threatening to attack. Barking, even viciously, no, is not a reason to shoot the dogs, since that is what dogs do. A dog running away, you’re kidding me right. Firing at a dog running away (ie; not a threat) is just sending a round down range to hit a person. Disciplinary action for the officers shooting if it turns out to be a shoot first situation, and civil lawsuits towards the Sheriff’s Department for the illegal no-knock warrant.
August 8th, 2008 at 6:37 PMUsing
What was SWAT doing executing a search warrant anyway? Shouldn’t they be out training to do something that can not be handled by the regular cops?
August 8th, 2008 at 7:07 PMUsing
When these trids get to Hell, they will see nothing but the faces of this family whose lives they ruined. Our Committee has spoken.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:33 PMUsing
And then get really pissed! I’m already hammering my worthless congresscritter and my two Senators over this as an illustration why the drug war needs to come to a screeching halt before any more of our Constitutional rights are shredded and before any more innocent civilians get hurt or killed.
Patton listen up. Blue on blue is combatants shooting at each other. The difference is they are SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER, in other words both parties are expected to be armed. In the Peoples State of Maryland it is of course unpossible that the civilians would be armed. My favorite quote from “Nobody’s Fool” applies here, if you are going to arm morons you have to arm them all. It’s not sporting otherwise.
This, on the other hand, is those who are supposedly sworn to uphold the law and protect the public instead BREAKING THE LAW and TERRORIZING THE PUBLIC. If you have been paying attention, this is becoming all too common. In fact, ONCE is too many times. Just another example where this foolish and insane war on some drugs needs to end. Now.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:47 PMUsing
This particular county SWAT squad has blown it frequently, there are lawsuits in progress and pending from other operations they have blown. They have to be the worst SWAT team in America. Expect that it will take another year or two (depending on how many continuances the county DA manages to get) before the current situation is dealt with.
I’m sorry, LC Patton, but just because mistakes happen does not mean that they should be tolerated. That especially holds for this group, they have repeatedly violated procedure and citizen’s rights on more than one occasion. If I lived in the area and was the unlucky target, the chances are that my dog and I would be dead, my children orphans. As my captain in the artillery (who put in two tours in Vietnam) said, “Friendly fire, isn’t, that’s why we do everything we can to not let it happen.”
August 8th, 2008 at 8:06 PMUsing
Officer 1: “Should we still knock?”
Officer 2: “Nah, she screamed, so obviously she knows we’re police! It’s go time!”
Pretty tight logic there.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:10 PMUsing
Or, they could have waited until the homeowners (as far as they knew, armed homeowners) stocked up and met the entry team with shotgun blasts. Yeah, that’s the way to go.
Sorry, but being a cop for 14 years, I despise this Monday morning quarterbacking. They frakked up, yes, and they should pay for it. The problem is that after all of this second-guessing, the next team may hesitate, and pay with their lives.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:29 PMUsing
These jackbooted thugs are no different than the fucking losers from highschool who became policemen so they could get their rocks off by having former classmates call them “sir” when pulled over for a speeding ticket. They are also the same gestapo that will be the individuals coming to take your guns when they decide to(Heller be damned). I’ve heard some talk radio hosts claim that most police would refuse to take a person’s guns — yeah, just like they wouldn’t invade an innocent person’s house wearing masks (conveniently) and with guns raised and throw grandma on the ground and shoot the dogs.
What kind of sick, cowardly fuck do you have to be to shoot two dogs that are clearly NOT attacking you? When did Michael Vick join the PG County Police?
There has been passing talk of revolution in this Country on this and various other conservative forums and blogs. Should it ever come to that, remember who would be on the enemy’s front line — these same fucking “Nazi’s-in-Blue”; just like the cops in New Orleans after Katrina.
I personally have never met a cop who was more interested in protecting the public or an individual’s rights
than he was in imposing his own will on other people - guilty or innocent. This shit happens way too often for me to consider this country a “Free” country. In this case, the cops only fucked up because their VICTIM happened to be a mayor.
I’ve sent my sentiments about Prince George’s County’s “finest” to Sheriff Michael Jackson at
sheriffinfo@co.pg.md.us
Others might do the same
August 8th, 2008 at 8:48 PMUsing
From my POV it is not that the SWAT people fucked up. Hey, -it happens-. What bothers me is that LEOs do dumb shit. shit that would get you or I put away for -years- and walk out of it with a slap on the wrist, if not a promotion!
The problem is that The LEOs have -no accountability- they can do whatever they like, and get away with it. And on some level they know it. Which is why they dont seem to be to concerned about fucking up.
Honestly, this kind of raid planning is -pathetic-. and frankly, garuntees a fuck-up.
but again, it is not the error that is the problem, it is the lack of -response- to the error.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:21 PMUsing
How fucking hard can it be to make 100% sure the door you’re about to kick in is the right one???
Instead of a heavily armed fishing for profits expedition, do your fucking job and investigate, verify that there is illegal activity going on and then act.
The war on (some) drugs will never end as long as there is so much profit in it for law enforcement.
Wyatt, Sig94, and any other LEO’s here, I am not trying to be disparaging to you and all the other Flatfoots out there every day, beating the streets. Y’all do some of the shittiest work there is to do sometimes, and I’m proud of y’all for doing it. Hell, I was an MP in the Guard (never went anywhere or did anything other than drills, shooting -16’s and 1911’s and drinking beer…), but this kind of shit is way outta line.
How often do you ACTUALLY need a police force that has the weaponry to take over most 3rd world countries??? How many innocents have these SpecOps wannabe fuck-knuckles killed and terrorized in their pursuit of profit??? How many more will be killed before somebody snatches these assholes up by the short and curlys??? And that goes for the shit-wit judges that hand out the warrants based on thin to none evidence…
August 8th, 2008 at 9:22 PMUsing
No hatred for cops (although I will treat them with a certain amount of suspicion), and I don’t want them second-guessing themselves in a “hot” situation, but the lesson here is KNOW WHO YOU’RE EXECUTING THE WARRANT ON. I can’t believe this isn’t part of the procedure. Before my profession’s equivalent of “doing battle”, I find out everything I can about opposing counsel and the judge. It would take what, 2 minutes to find out who lives at the address you’re serving the warrant on? This kind of stupid should hurt.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:23 PMUsing
I am now hearing people on the street saying it was time to start killing these assholes. My feelings sympathized with them, yet reason does not. I did make the effort to differentiate between twat teams and pee dee officers as best I could. I don’t want the public thinking all cops are this way, for I have several cop friends, they most assuredly are not. This whole scenario stinks, someone needs to have their ass hung out to dry big time.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:36 PMUsing
Hey Drug Warriors this is all your fault. If you support the war on drugs please shoot yourself in the head and we can end all of this bullshit. If you are a gunless Drug War supporter please jump off a building or somthing as this kind of shit is all your fault please take reponsibility for your weak minded goverment worship. Oh yeah fuck Nixon the facitst fuck who let the damn DEA loose on the country. Oh and fuck Hoover to just because I hate him and all the fed fib scum of all kinds that he inflicted on us. Bring back the 9th and the 10th amendments and end this bullshit.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:36 PMUsing
Oh my GOD!! ARMED Homeowners??…. Here? …. In the United Socialist States of Amerika?? How could such a thing be tolerated? It might lead to the confusing situation where a small army of armed, masked men burst into a citizens home without reason and a citizen actually defended his home, his family and the lives of the family dogs.
Monday morning quarterbacking? Are you fucking kidding me? Are these the kind of police tactics YOU use? It’s not a fucking football game, ASSFACE!!! Nobody but the cops were involved in the planning of this collossal fuck up and terrorizing of innocent citizens. Are cops who break the law and unjustifiably harrass and terrorize the public, and (on more than one occasion) kill harmless dogs somehow immune to criticism
now? The criticism can only come AFTER THE FACT OF THIS NAZI-STYLE RAID!
In the next case just like this one where the team doesn’t get its facts straight, has no need for a “no-knock” warrant, bursts into an innocent citizen’s home, terrorizes him and his family, and shoots his family pets for no reason — they will DESERVE TO PAY WITH THEIR LIVES.
YES, I SAID IT. I MEAN IT. And if fucked-up, power-drunk assholes with badges decide they’re going to burst into MY house without knocking, announcing, and presenting a warrant, going terrorize MY family, and going kill MY dogs, I guarantee at least one of them WILL pay with their lives before they UNJUSTLY shoot me down like my dogs.
Monday morning quarterbacking? Fucking retard.
August 8th, 2008 at 9:51 PMUsing
I’m surprised the article didn’t mention - the man whose house was raided is MAYOR of the town.
Shouldn’t the police know who the MAYOR is?
August 8th, 2008 at 10:26 PMUsing
Damn good thing it was dogs running around in the house and not children. As fast as these idiots opened fire they wouldn’t have been able to know the difference until it was too late. Wonder what the response to THAT would have been?
The Keystone Kops could have done a better job than these morons.
Why the hell did they wait until after this clueless fuckup to screen the home and the occupants?? :em98:
August 8th, 2008 at 10:35 PMUsing
they call it a “special operations team”. so now we have a bunch of S.O.T.s running around shooting dogs.
August 8th, 2008 at 11:31 PMUsing
Sorry guys. I’m sure there are some honorable people out there who are law enforcement, but I personally think they do more harm than good.
After all, they will NEVER be there on time to save you from anything. You have to save yourself from the goons out there. All they do is come and clean up afterward, and not very good at that half the time either.
Last winter, we had a crazy kill some young people at a church building. We live .8 miles away and got the reverse 911 call 3 hours later. Fat lot of good THAT did. Maybe if they had been a bit quicker, someone would have seen him and prevented him from killing the girls at another church in the Springs. Not to mention it would have been nice to know a murderer was on the loose.
Start adding up the zealous cop/prosecutor who framed the wrong person, the no knock (or not) raids on the wrong houses, the off-duty cop who gunned down a guy because a cigarette bounced off of his car while he was driving, the cops that shot and killed mentally-disturbed teenagers with knives, and you have an un-Constitutional problem.
And I don’t know why we have any traffic laws. Cops of any kind are NEVER around to enforce them. People do whatever they want to. I say take down all of the speed limits, stop sign and lights, and let people work it out. It can’t be any worse. Make all of the residential intersections round-abouts, much more efficient and fewer accidents. And then you don’t have to pay for the cops who aren’t doing anything anyway.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:56 AMUsing
You’ve obviously never driven in Kuwait. You’d think twice before making that statement. Trust me.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:11 AMUsing
The people who are defending the tactics of the polis here may note that it was the polis who put the drugs on the porch.
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clicky
August 9th, 2008 at 7:02 AMUsing
I like cops! :em04: One of my oldest friends is a Captain in the local PD. I’ve never had a really bad experience with then on either side of dealing with them, uncomfortable maybe, but I always understood when they treated me a little unfriendly even though I wasn’t guilty (they don’t know me), and I’ve been treated exceptionally kind in bad situations.
Remembering the shootouts with the Symbionese Liberation Army back in 1974 and the North Hollywood Bank robbery in 1997 I fully understand why SWAT exists, but to justify the expense of keeping a specialized unit around, IMO, they use them, too often, in situations where they are not necessary.
This though was a total FU. 35 pounds of marijuana wasn’t going down the toilet in one flush and better communication with the local PD would have indicated that the Mayor wasn’t likely to draw down on them and that the real suspects were the Fed-Ex guy.
Slightly OT, but could someone explain to me the dollar amounts of drug busts? :em02:
In the linked stories I heard that this case netted 417 pounds of grass with a dollar value of 3.5 milliion. That works out to $525 per ounce. Must be some good shit. :em95:
August 9th, 2008 at 9:35 AMUsing
i think the biggest problem here was the police rushed in where there was no need. they had the drug package until they (the police) delivered it and could have taken the time to investigate their target before hand. Maryland apparently does not have a “No-knock” law but when the Mother-in-law allegedly screamed the police could assume it was a cry for help and break in without knocking to rescue her.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:17 AMUsing
Work it out? WORK IT OUT?!!
You stupid motherfucker, kindly explain to me how a mid-fifties female who just had her Camry t-boned in the middle of an intersection by a lifted F250 occupied by three drunk 25 year old males is supposed to “work it out”? People like you, and your inability to understand or comprehend what kind of hell the anarchy you so gladly call for would actually be like, are why I continue to consider Libertarians to be a large group of whining children, undeserving of a seat at the table where the adults are trying to have a conversation.
You want to get rid of all narcotics laws? Fine. Good for you. There are plenty of places in this world where that legal state currently exists or exists de-facto (Amsterdam comes to mind immediately). Might be fun to visit every now and then, but I wouldn’t want to live there. Neither would you, because it’s a crime-ridden shithole.
As history has demonstrated time and time again, people in the absence of law do not form cooperative collectives to aid their neighbors. Instead, they steal everything they can get their hands on, rape, murder, set things on fire, and ingest narcotics until they OD on them. Welcome to humanity. So glad you could join us.
After twelve years in law enforcement with two different agencies, I’ve learned that the people who bitch the loudest about cops are also usually the people who have the least comprehension of what their sheltered lives would be like in the absence of cops.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:39 AMUsing
Puddle Pirate
You’re so right. They usually form a police force to make sure the safety and values of the community are upheld.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:52 AMUsing
Bein’ Our Best Buddy can often mean being the first casualty.
But, a good Dawg wouldn’t have it any other way.
Well done, Pups.
Your alert bark was enough to scare them into resorting to establishing total fire superiority.
Their fear of you was that intense.
Imagine if ya’ll had actually attacked.
Salute.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:18 PMUsing
Puddle,
We’ll grant you your points about the thin blue line. As other posters have mentioned, society asks LEOs to do an absolutely shitty job. But I must part ways with you concerning the war on (some) drugs. Nixon declared this war and formed the DEA, and people kept on using. The feds and many states upped the penalties for using and selling again, and again, and again. People kept on using. The Reagan administration introduced asset forfeiture… and people kept on using. Jack-booted thugs armed with firepower sufficient to invade a sovereign nation invade homes to rid society of this “scourge”… and… people… keep… using… drugs.
At each step along the way, we’ve succeeded only in tearing progressively larger chunks out of our Constitutional rights in the name of a policy that’s been no more effective than Prohibition was. There’s a fine line between my protection of society and your police state. For me, the choice is clear: This is one war than needs to end NOW, before there’s no Constitution left to shred. I’m not saying we should legalize these things, but it IS long past time to recognize that the war on (some) drugs is an abject failure.
The argument you make — that anarchy would be that much worse — does nothing to excuse or defend the SWAT team under discussion here, even though you’re right. Those lucky bastards must have some form of immunity from criminal prosecution under Maryland state statute, or the hapless mayor’s wife and her mother would be talking about quite a bit more than civil litigation. Elsewhere, these thugs wouldn’t be so lucky. Here in Colorado, as Peace Officers, all LEOs are every but as subject to the law as anyone else, even during the performance of duty. The officer or officers who shot the dogs would be charged with suspicion of felony cruelty to animals. The idiot who led the operation and accelerated the situation into a no-knock raid? Suspicion of felony home invasion. As usual, the cops and their lawyers would plea-deal the cruelty down to a minor misdemeanor and the invasion to a low-grade felony with no time served. Still, that would be enough for their chief to fire their asses forthwith, with no appeal possible. The loss of state certification and the felony arrests would be sufficient to ensure they never work in law enforcement, anywhere. This sorely needs to happen in Maryland as well.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:43 PMUsing
I’ll make no excuses for this particular SWAT element, Don_M. None at all. Having worked SWAT, I know a tactical fuckup when I see one, and this most certainly qualifies. Poor operational planning, very very poor decisions made concerning use of force. Inexcusable decisions, some of them.
However, a number of prior posts have already covered that angle in-depth, and I have little to add in that area that has not already been said. What irritates me is when people take a grievous fuckup such as this as an excuse to have a field day of tough talk and cop-bashing.
Police officers are not alien entities grown in vats by Halliburton, we’re people just like everyone else. We try as best we can to do an incredibly shitty and dangerous job (which continues to get worse as society continues to collapse), and we’re certainly not in it for the money.
I’d appreciate it if some people would keep that in mind in the future before engaging in another round of hollow posturing and mental masturbation.
August 9th, 2008 at 2:57 PMUsing
I’ve often wondered why the comments threads to posts like these have a tendency to devolve into “either you defend anything law enforcement does or you’re a cop-hating scumbag!” type “arguments.”
If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times: There are very, very few professionals I admire more than cops. They don’t get paid all that well, they work ridiculous hours, they expose themselves to danger constantly in order to keep the rest of us safer than we’d be without them, they have to deal with some of the most nightmare-inducing, disgusting, evil crap that mankind has to offer, not to mention dealing with cleaning up the mess afterwards and they get to leave their homes every day not knowing if they’ll ever see their families again. Yet they keep on keeping on. Sheepdogs, cleaning out the stalls of the House of Horrors of “civilized” society while the rest of us bitch and whine about a flat tire or a rainy Sunday afternoon.
And that, more than anything else, is why I hate and despise fuckups like the TWAT morons in this article with the fire and passion of a thousand suns. It isn’t “just” the constant stream of reports about those Nazi assholes terrorizing, injuring and, all too often, murdering people in cold fucking blood because they’re on a power “high”, it isn’t “just” the fact that, thanks to them and their para-military (I say “para” because not even the most hardened actual soldier would think about doing what those fucking mall ninjas do on a weekly basis) “exceptions” to the rules that everybody else has to follow, the 4th Amendment means diddly fucking squat anymore.
It is because they, every time they commit another violent crime like this one, taint the reputation of, good work of and public trust in the majority of their colleagues who now, thanks to a bunch of ‘roid monkey rump rangers with an extra Y chromosome, have a much harder row to hoe.
And what makes me even more furious about this shit is that even when they’re caught fucking up monumentally, they face little to no consequences.
Remember Abu Ghraib? I think we can all agree that the crap that went on there didn’t even come close to the level of abuse that happens at your average boarding school. I mean, panties on the heads, barking dogs and playing around with electrical wires in the absence of actual power sources? Give me a fucking break. We can all also agree that it’s bloody hard to feel in the least bit sorry for the murdering fuckwads that were subjected to said treatment. That’s not the point. The point is that perception is everything and, thanks to that handful of drooling fucks in uniform, our work winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people was made one heck of a lot harder, and we all know how bloody hard it was to get anything positive done about beating down terrorists in Iraq until we gained the trust of the average Iraqi. See “Surge, The” and “Anbar Awakening” for a description of what can be done when you do have that trust.
Thankfully, this was the armed forces and not city hall, so the guilty parties were promptly investigated, prosecuted and sentenced. If they’d been wearing a SWAT uniform, they’d have been placed on paid administrative leave for a couple of weeks while the city stonewalled any attempts at bringing them to justice. After that, they’d be back in uniform kicking in doors and shooting up innocents quicker than you can say “Stasi.” Or how about Lon Horiuchi, the murdering SOB FBI sniper who cold-bloodedly murdered Randy Weaver’s wife Vicki without even a whiff of justification or cause? What was his punishment? None, that’s what. They tried to prosecute him for manslaughter (when first degree homicide was really what he was guilty of), but the Feds immediately claimed jurisdiction, moved the suit to Federal court and threw it out the window immediately. As far as I know, that fucking pig is still sucking precious air, something that can’t be said for the woman he murdered, Vicki Weaver.
If some morons in law enforcement think that it’s proper for them to operate under a more violent version of military ROEs (let’s face it, most of what the TWATs get caught doing on a depressingly regular basis would never pass muster in the actual military), then would it be too much to ask that they face military-style justice when they fuck up? Hey, any sort of justice would work, because we’re seeing fuck all in that department right now.
The thing is, every time a fuckup like this happens people will notice. And when the consequences to the fuckuppers end up being best summarized as “none whatsoever”, people will notice TWICE. And every single time their disgust, distrust and fear of uniformed officers will grow and grow and grow. Tell me how THAT is supposed to help law enforcement do their jobs?
Circling the wagons around those power-crazed psychopaths isn’t helping the rest of their fellow officers, it’s doing the exact opposite. And that, my friends, will eventually lead to true anarchy.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:04 PMUsing
Puddle Pirate
They’re not?! Holy shite man!! I gotta go get me tin foil hat adjusted, I’m getting bad signals!! :em01:
On a serious note, thanks for protecting and serving, these SWAT guys in MD screwed the pooch (no pun intended) big time. I’m of the mind set that There’s going to be mistakes, it’s the cost of living in a society comprised of laws.
Was this avoidable? Maybe, I think probably it was, there’s just too what seem to be glaring mistakes made here.
Like others, I feel for the faithful hounds but folks, we need to remember, dogs can be weapons, thank a true drug dealer for that, and if they even so much as flinched I can see them taking them down. In the end the main objective is human life and getting your ass home to your own at the end of the shift sans bullets stab wounds and or teeth marks. Lets be honest, a 90+ lb Pissed off Labrador “our children” or not poses a significant threat to those it may attack.
Lastly ….in the end no matter how many times a cop makes a mistake (and I feel they truly are far and few between), rational thinking adults know what a shitty job it is that you guys do day in and day out and, dare I say it, we admire your dedication.
At least I do, So Thanks! :em04:
August 9th, 2008 at 3:23 PMUsing
It’s always the same cup of Kofi Annan.
If the son of a socialist MP gets beaten up by 4 Albanian thungs, left half dead, the socialists scream for more police, preferably with the same power as the Gestapo.
If the police gets a socialist MP’s son in an illegal protest (which usually, the commies use to commit lots of vandalism), they scream criminy and want LESS police, with no power for stylish takedowns and usage of firearms against armed protestors.
At least in this neck of the woods, if the SWAT screws up big time, they can be made liable for criminal offenses and usually get fired after trial. The bad thing is the taxpayer still has to foot the restitution bill.
August 9th, 2008 at 3:31 PMUsing
Whomever patched up my leaky garbage scow of a post @ 34…THANKS.. :em69:
August 9th, 2008 at 3:53 PMUsing
Talk about being cluefucked.
So it’s assumed by the SWAT guys anyone who picks up that package must KNOW what’s in it and by the act of taking it inside the residence, they have committed a CRIME worthy of getting their door kicked in, their pets shot, and having to look down the barrells of automatic weapons?
Somebody remind me again how SWAT is saving Western Civilization from the evil dread of pot smoking by organizing military style raids on homes like this?
So it’s 32 pounds of pot? There is no way you flush 32 pounds of pot, so the no-knock can’t be justified by “We had to get inside the house before they destroyed the evidence.”
What evidence or intelligence did they have that anyone in the house was heavily armed? That would be the other justification for a no-knock: “We had to get inside there with our 6 or 7 fully automatic weapons before the home owners got to their own weapons.”
This entire raid is an example of monumental FAILURE at the command level.
August 9th, 2008 at 4:44 PMUsing
and if all this isn’t bad enough, here is an update from last December when a different group of thugs screwed up. they are getting medals for not running away when the homeowner defended himself.
August 9th, 2008 at 6:44 PMUsing
Screw it. I have written paragraph after paragraph and deleted it all because it simply boils down to this:
One AW SHIT cancels out a thousand ATTABOYS.
Shot at and missed, shit at and hit.
August 9th, 2008 at 6:53 PMUsing
And very well put too, Sig. Nails it in one. Which is why fuckups like this one make me so horribly, seething, spitting nails mad that I can’t hardly see straight. Every time those sub-double digit IQ morons fuck up, they cancel out years of hard, honest, brave work done by the rest of you.
And when their superiors react with absolutely no meaningful consequences at all, the damage is multiplied by at least a hundred.
Everybody fucks up every once in a while, that’s called “being human.” But most of us, when we fuck up, have to pay the piper afterwards, which is all well and good and exactly as it should be. Not only is it fair, it also serves to show that bad decisions have consequences and that prior planning prevents piss poor performance and, therefore, is something to be embraced in order to avoid those consequences.
August 9th, 2008 at 7:42 PMUsing
Somehow I’ve never had that problem. There always seems to be a member of law enforcement around when I’m being a bit hard on the loud pedal.
Getting rid of traffic laws is not a good idea. Traffic laws and signals are needed to at least regulate traffic flow, if for no other reason.
Which is why I’m not a Libertarian any more, although I still share some of their ideals.
I want to decriminalize the possession and use of and instead arrest those who commit crimes to obtain the drugs, or arrest those who hurt someone else while under their influence. Mostly I want to see seizure and forfeiture laws done away with because said seizure and forfeiture usually happens without due process and getting your stuff back is difficult if not impossible. If it’s cash you can just forget it.
I’ve been to Amsterdam. I wouldn’t exactly call it a shit-hole, but I’d rather be here than there for lots of reasons. At any rate, have you been to Detroit lately?
Amen Brother.
Tell it to the (Haditha) Marines (who also did an incredibly shitty and dangerous job and are definitely not in it for the money). No apparent crime committed, but all eight of them had to go to prison while enduring criminal investigations where they seemed to be presumed guilty instead of being presumed innocent. Chances are these SWAT members won’t face prison while being investigated, and will likely get off with some sort of administrative hand-spank even though they have violated the law.
Law enforcement people don’t get to deal with the general public at our very best, that is an undeniable fact and I can say for certain that I don’t have the disposition needed to be a quality LEO. But this illustrates that some LEO’s don’t have the disposition needed to be a quality LEO, either. They are in the minority, and they give the rest of you a bad name. All the better reason to see them punished and fired.
August 9th, 2008 at 9:01 PMUsing
Fuck you.
I’m old enough to remember when the entire raison d’etre wasn’t cop safety, it was citizen safety.
The SWATification of police work is insane, counter-productive, wrong-headed, and perverse. It is also one of the primary signs of a police state - in which the lives of police are considered more valuable than the lives of citizens.
It’s a tough, dangerous, dirty job. But that’s what it is. If you can’t do it without feeling you must carry out your duties behind an armored car and a small army carrying high-powered military weapons, then get the fuck out.
I’ve said that one of the prices we pay for having an effective death penalty is the acceptance that, on very rare occasions, society will kill and innocent man. Well, one of the prices we must pay for having a police force that puts citizen safety first, before their own, is that on rare occasions, a cop will lose his life in the line of duty. At least they know it going in. But bottom line: I no more believe in the notion of running public safety on the idea of “if it saves one cop’s life,” than I believe in the idea of running the whole country on notion of “if it saves one life.”
Fifty years ago, cops carried .38s and walked beats. Now they ride in smoked glass cruisers, carry military weaponry, and behave more like an occupying army than protectors of the people’s safety. Yeah, yeah, drugs gangs, blah, blah, blah. Fifty years ago, there wasn’t a got-damned War On (Some) Drugs, either.
Which was the primary cause of this latest deadly fiasco. And will probably be the cause of many, many more, because Americans have forgotten how to behave as a free people.
August 9th, 2008 at 10:55 PMUsing
And sad to say, what was once a honorable calling is rapidly degenerating into organized, governement sanctioned banditry. Before you deny it, how many police departments have a line item in thier budget for ‘projected forfieture’? You know, the estimate of how much they will make on the stuff they take because they -think- you might have broken the law? You dont think that -someone- is the department is tasked with making sure that estimate is met? That, my friend is theft.
Sir Robert Peel is spinning in his grave…
To clarify, it is -not- the fault of those who take up the shield. They have chosen to swear to uphold the law. No matter what stupid, half-assed, crack-brained law the local legislators come up with… And cities and towns, and states -do- abuse the primary function of the police. They use LEOs to pick our pockets to pay for things that we -do not want-, and are not willing to pay for. This too, is not the LEOs fault.
What -is- the fault of the men in blue, and -solely- your fault, is this.
You do not police your own. Don’t make noise at me that you do. We -see- it. When the morons who shoot up a -legal- law abiding immigrant’s house & family -by mistake-, get a medal for it, this sends a message.
The message us ‘civilians’ hear is this “We dont fucking care. If we fuck up, tough shit. If one of ours shoots up your house, your dog, your wife, -tough shit-. We can do anything we want to you, and if you dont like it? -tough shit-.”
Every day we read on the net, or see in the papers about another SWAT fuckup, or another drunken cop beating up a bartender, or some -other- appalling level of misbehavior. It is not the act that upsets us. It is the fact that in the -vast majority- of these cases, the LEO -walks-. And not for -little- things either…
A man who shoots a cop by accident during a SWAT raid is looking at life without parole -if- he surives to be arrested. A cop who shoots an -innocent- civilian dead, will half the time -get a medal-.
If these fuckwits were listed as “fired, pending prosecution” there would be much rejoicing. But they wont be. They’ll be on paid leave for a bit, come back, get promoted, and go about thier lives as is nothing had happened. You can claim other wise, -but we never see it-.
What made the Nifong incident so newsworthy is not that it happened, but that, for once, someone was held accountable. Granted that incident is not so much about LE as juducial, but they are part and parcel of the same problem.
If you want the public to trust and respect you again, start cleaning your house. Find these idiots in your own department ( trust me, they are in your department. ), and hammer them. Mercilessly, Loudly, and -Publicly-.
[Rougetek, I tweaked a couple of things which I think you meant to put in there. Apologies if I overstepped. -The Management™]
August 9th, 2008 at 10:56 PMUsing
Sad, but oh so true. Make us your slaves, but feed us.
Another thing that made the Duke LaCrosse rape scandal newsworthy is that the three suspects got an apology by the state DA and a declaration that they were innocent of all charges. Not just “not enough evidence to prosecute” with the accompanying dark cloud over your head forever, but “not enough evidence that a crime has actually been committed” and a declaration of INNOCENCE for the three boys.
Nifong is now twisting and squirming in the hopes he can shield at least some of his assets in the ongoing civil suits. Unfortunately, the accuser walked. She should have been nailed in a civil suit as well, and prosecuted criminally for bringing up charges that were false.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:34 AMUsing
When Bill Quick throws out an F-bomb…….
I think you for the …to a wall… part
August 10th, 2008 at 8:54 AMUsing
ok, that post barfed.
**forgot** and the b :em98: quote
August 10th, 2008 at 9:01 AMUsing
Can someone explain how children can give permission to police to enter a home while their mother showers? And once they are in, why do they always shoot the dog?
Damn Labs, they are always so protective.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:28 AMUsing
When I was younger, we had a cop who felt it was his job to harass all the “long-hairs” in town. Didn’t matter if they weren’t breaking the law. He was a big, fat, hillbilly, redneck bully, and the whole town knew it. He would beat the crap out of some of them, and get rewarded.
He came after my brother one day. Fortunately for my brother, my dad was a well-known attorney in town, so Ray just screamed at my bro a bit…never laid a hand on him, that I can recall.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:32 AMUsing
Mope, an officer in the comments string of that article did an excellent job of addressing your question. Better than I could, so I’ll simply reproduce his comment here.
That pretty much covers it.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:53 AMUsing
Puddle Pirate-
Indeed.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:06 AMUsing
And if that citizen is trying to cause trouble for that neighbor? Pissed off because neighbor threw a rock at the citizen’s cat? Mad because neighbor chewed out citizens unruly child for pulling plants out of the flower bed? Neighbor called the cops because citizen was having a rowdy party at 2 am. the week before? Just simply take the word of citizen and go busting into neighbors house on a verbal tip with no verification?
Oh that makes me feel safer already.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:57 AMUsing
Making knowingly false statements to the police is a crime too, Mrs. M. That’s the check and balance.
And, if you think it through, I’m pretty sure you’d want police to be able to enter a house based on the word of a citizen.
It’s called 911. And most people seem to think it’s a good idea.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:13 PMUsing
To: ‘the management’
Re: comment #43
Looks fine from here… I dont see anything there that I didnt mean to say…
August 10th, 2008 at 4:42 PMUsing
Sweet Christ this bullshit flying out out out of every self righteous asshole armchair expert just don’t ever stop do it?
And who the fuck is this Bill Quick? Listen shitstain, I carried a .38 Special from 1974 through 1990 when we were so outgunned by the assholes coming up from NYC that we had to upgrade to something better than a damn peashooter. You go shoot some fucked up dealer who just shot the lead cop coming in through an armored door - shoot that little prick three times (one of those rounds hit him in the nuts - down and to the left - the cop was scared and jerked the trigger) then have to goose pile him and he still has a loaded gun because those .38’s just pissed him off. Freakin’ idjut - I’d carry that damn S&W 500 if they’d let me. The muzzle blast alone would blow the SOB’s nuts off! I’d carry a farking CRUISE MISSILE if they’d let me!
Shitheads like you would rather see us carrying the 168 gm full lead roundnose that FUCKING BOUNCES OFF THE SKULLS OF PEOPLE. Yes, it happened to a buddy of mine shooting at a suspect before we finally went to the .38 Police+ loads in the early 70’s. He shot the sonuvabitch downtown and the asshole kept running. Found the farkin’ round on the damn street.
Other than Level II soft body armor (P.A.C.A.) I was never in a bullet proof ANYTHING. Other than a night stick and Mace - that was the extent of my high powered assortment of weapons. And that is basically what most guys are wearing today. Smoked glass cruisers? What the fuck you smoking? EVERYONE is driving cars with sun protection treatment right from the factory!Try to buy a used car without it!
Get this straight through your thick fucking skulls. SWAT is special tactics meant for high threat tactical situations. 99% of the more than 4,000 PD’s in this screwed up country DO NOT HAVE A FULL TIME DEDICATED FUCKING SWAT TEAM!! Only the large departments have that shit! They are the only ones who can afford it! Most of these guys work the road like everyone else and get called in when the boss thinks they are needed.
AND A NARCOTICS SEARCH WARRANT IS A HIGH THREAT TACTICAL SITUATION! Feel free to take the aforementioned text and get a fucking tattoo of it on your thick sloping forehead. The cops should have known it was the Mayor’s house? Well… mebbe they did and mebbe they didn’t. Only thing I know is that our narcs were talking about OUR fucking mayor being involved with coke dealers back about 25 years ago. Or take Detroit’s Mayor? Give that asshole the benefit of the doubt? What the hell is wrong with you people?
The worst scenario is caused by this: POOR PLANNING PROVIDES PISS POOR PERFORMANCE. Yeah the cops fucked up. Big time. The dogs got whacked. Grandma got roped. Daddy Mayor shat hisself. But this ain’t Nazi Land where this sort of thing is SOP! Here in the Landofthefreehomeofthebrave this is the exception, not the rule! ‘Cept mebbe if Obama gets elected…
Get the fuck over it! When you fuck up the worst thing that happens is someone’s fucking toaster oven burns the bagel or the MS fucking WORD spell checker isn’t used or the condom breaks!
Do cops fuck up every now and then? HELL YEAH!
Is this a perfect world? HELL NO!
Do politics enter into the equation? HELL YEAH! AND IT DON’T MATTER IF IT’S EAST ARMPIT, IDAHO OR NYC!
Are the municipal fiscal managers and top cop executives thinking about what an admission of guilt will do to the jury pool when the law suit hits? HELL YEAH!
Do people cover their asses when they are wrong? HELL YEAH! ALL THE TIME! EVERY TIME!
Do people do bad things and not get punished? You gotta be kidding…
Where the fuck is the surprise??? You people must be fucking delusional or something. Thirty-five years I got in this business and the shit never ends.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:54 PMUsing
Thanks, Sig. I was planning on getting around to addressing Bill Quick’s utter failure to understand the on-the-ground reality of law enforcement in 2008, but couldn’t get my blood pressure down enough to type complete sentences.
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August 10th, 2008 at 5:31 PMUsing
Ok, I’m a little calmer. Thanks Puddles. And that coke Mayor I was referring was arrested by the feds in 1987 and did federal time for bribery and corruption.
Everyone’s POV is influenced by their life experiences. God made us that way. What we do as LEO’s is kinda different and it forms our lives, how we think, how we react … I can remember my wife chewing my ass out royally because I was upset with her and I talked like she was some street bimbo.
I am hesitant to kick someone’s ass over how they perform their jobs unless I have some experience in it or what they do is soooooo egregious that only a fool (or criminally insane) could ignore it. But I can see the situation where the dogs are whacked. Dogs are used by some dealers. The guys taking down the door are cops, not veternarians, and we cops typically aren’t the brightest bunch sometimes - especially where our hearts are going pitty pat because IT’S SHOW TIME and that door has just gotta go down.
I am not excusing Ruby Ridge or Waco or any other clusterf**k where people are hurt or worse; that is inexcusable and those responsible should be prosecuted. But even in light of those incidents, not every fed is an asshole - with very few exceptions the feds I have dealt with are very decent, competent people.
Despite what some of you might think, I have never met a cop who intentionally wants to hurt an innocent man, woman or child. Quite the opposite, we take the job to prevent violence and bloodshed. And as pissed off as any of you are about this thread and the one after it (No Bad Deed Goes Unrewarded) keep this in mind, no one in these incidents was killed or injured. No cop busted a cap on a civilian.
Anyone of you could do much worse than those cops by hoisting a few too many and then driving home… in the opposite lane at 80 mph. Where’s your outrage at DWI related traffic deaths? There’s over 15,000 of them every year. I don’t recall ever seeing a thread about that here.
Just sayin’
:em98:
August 10th, 2008 at 6:32 PMUsing
I think if you run from a cop you deserve the beat-down you get. If you swing at a cop you deserve a hot lead injection. I think that sometimes cops spend too much time talking and not enough time shooting (when you tell someone ten times STOP OR I’LL SHOOT you’ve said it about nine times too many IMO). I think that cops who patrol the streets and get to deal with the assorted “citizenry” have the patience of saints and I thank God they are there.
With that said, I think cops that bust down the wrong doors and invade homes had better BY GOD have their ducks in a row. And when things go wrong, they should be held accountable and not just to IA. There are way too damn many Tacticool Commandos when you get so many stories of the door getting broke in at 3AM to the wrong damn house on a tip given by a known criminal for some BS that is obviously not well investigated.
In Chesapeake VA a man’s house had been burgled. He had some Japanese maples in some pots on his back patio. The burgler was caught and told the cops about the guy who had “pot” plants on his back patio. The cops executed a no-knock raid and got shot at, and one of them was killed. The homeowner was caught with a small amount of pot (so he was a user, not a dealer) which he was not even prosecuted for, he is (last I saw) in jail for killing that detective. This is just one small example of why these things need to be investigated a bit further than some criminal trading info for time off a sentence. One fly-over by the police helicopter to take a good picture of the plants would have done it, and I’m sure that at least one police helicopter exists in the Tidewater area. I sure saw enough of the damn things when I was stationed in Virginia Beach.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:00 PMUsing
Puddle Pirate
I used to, until the one day I NEEDED them and got chewed out. My car had died on the interstate, and I had traffic whizzing past me at a gazillion mph. I called 911 to request help.
I gave my location (I was LOOKING at the exit sign). Dispatcher told me I was wrong. I told her I was LOOKING at the sign. She again told me I was wrong, and told me to just calm down and tell her where I was.
I TOLD HER WHERE I WAS AND THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THE SIGN.
She never did believe me. I said..forget this and left my car in the middle of the interstate until a cop came to investigate a separate accident. He was able to get the car started for me. No way I was sitting in the middle of the interstate with a jerk for a dispatcher calling me a liar.
August 10th, 2008 at 9:42 PMUsing
Well, fuckwit, I’m older than you, smarter than you, and a former police dispatcher/911 operator for the city of San Francisco, you frustrated SWATzi.
And I know exactly how fucking stupid cops can get. I’ve had to listen to enough of their fuckups on the channel. And about half of all cop fuckups stem from their paramilitary Rambo attitude.
You ever actually shoot anybody, dumbass? If you’re like most cops, the answer is a big, fat, no. And most of you are lousy shots in the first place - like your buddy. He was aiming for the suspect’s head??? They teach you that at the academy? Further, he was shooting at a fleeing suspect? Why? What was the guy suspected of? Running from a cop? A charge of resisting arrest for committing the dreadful crime of resisting arrest?
The truth is, you testosterone-addled moron, that that 168 grain roundnose is more than enough round for 99.999 percent of the violent situations the average cop will ever face in his entire career - especially if he happens to know how to, you know, properly use his weapon. 35 years on the force, huh? All that tells me is that your Sergeants were even dumber than you are, if your notion of doing your job entails carrying around near-nuclear weapons.
I know it would never occur to you that maybe there’s some other way to get at the Demon Drug Dealers (and why we are waging a holy war against Some Dope is fucking beyond me, but that’s a different rant) than ramming a battlewagon through their front door. That’s the general line of thinking that brought us Ruby Ridge and Waco. Which is yet another rant.
We don’t hire drunks and charge them with preserving the safety of the public. Not on purpose, at least. Your personality makes you sound like an exception, though.
As for you, Piddle Paddle, bring it. I’ll cheerfully smear you into a smoldering grease spot, too.
I think you need to find a nice police state to live in. I hear Putin is welcoming immigrants. You’d probably like it there. You could find a nice former KGB thug who’d let you suck his dick as much as you wanted.
This is America. Cops are people just like the rest of us, not gods - not even in their official capacities.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:12 PMUsing
What I am saying is that you don’t win arguments with police officers on the side of the road. That’s what we have courts for. Therefore, if you want to run and endanger the citizenry you need to get your ass kicked. If you take a poke at a cop you also need an ass kicking. Especially if there is backup right there, and the dashboard camera is rolling. I think that stupidity, especially blatant stupidity, should be painful and occasionally fatal. There would probably be a damn sight less stupidity if it was, and actions have consequences.
And I think you need to eat a whole bucket of fuck. You obviously didn’t read any more than the first paragraph of my statement. If you are out and about, blatantly fucking up in public, you deserve the attention that you are going to get. Otherwise you deserve to be left the fuck alone.
Apparently someone who isn’t too quick. Or maybe he’s much too quick. YMMV.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:08 AMUsing