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What A Wonderful Way To Start Your Saturday
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Socialist Swine, The Obamessiah, Totalitarians, Useless Swine2:07 PM
The Democrats who “definitely aren’t Socialists, nosirree!” are considering ways of confiscating your 401(k)s and IRAs and put all the funds into a government run “Guaranteed” (about as well as Social Security is “guaranteed”, no doubt) Retirement Account from which you, when you retire, will get your “fair share.”
And so will everybody else, whether they put money aside or not. If they didn’t, they’ll just get what you had put away above your “fair share.”
I don’t have words. Well, I do have words, but there’s not much I can add to LC & IB Nicki’s thorough, detailed evisceration of that heap of Marxist, confiscatory bullshit, so go read that first. This site will still be here when you get back, and trust me: you’ll be sorry if you miss that excellent piece of writing.
Just a few words of warning before you go, though: You will definitely want to put away all potentially throwable and/or otherwise dangerous objects away first, and if you’re on blood pressure medications, you’ll want to make sure that you’ve taken you dose today. Heck, if you’re not, today might be a good day to start.
Back again?
So that’s what you’ve “accomplished”, “dear” 52. Are you beginning to see why some of us might not be all that interested in “making up” with you? You see, what your Dear Leader and his commissars are working on here is nothing other than pure theft of hard-working people’s earned assets. And I don’t really give a fuck whether the thief comes in the form of a goblin kicking in my door in the middle of the night or some nameless Marxist government bureaucracy, my reaction is the exact same. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what I mean by that.
Oh, I know that a huge proportion of you drooling O-bots haven’t put a penny aside yourselves, so it’s not you that Chairman Hussein is going to steal from. “Then they came for the Jews, but I wasn’t a Jew so why would I give a fuck?” And, of course, you’re already salivating over all of those funds stolen at gunpoint from your fellow citizens being dumped in your dumb, lazy, unworthy laps. You immoral cretins disgust me, but I digress.
Don’t salivate too much just yet, though, because you’re not likely to see a dime of Chairman Hussein’s stolen loot. Why is that? Well, if a burglar and rapist were to leave a note on your door telling you that he’d be around next Saturday night to empty your residence and have his merry way with you, what would you do? Say “alright, fine” and do nothing or take precautions?
All of those fine people who have done without and worked their arses off to put a little something aside for retirement aren’t likely to leave their pot of gold sitting in the middle of the living room for when the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers’ thugs come around to collect, you know. At the first sign of that coming to pass, and I’m sure that they’re already pretty close to that point, those owners of 401(k)s and IRAs will start liquidating their assets in a hurry. Why shouldn’t they? They’re not likely to see a dime of them if they leave them there.
Don’t think that’s a big deal, O-bots? Let me educate you, then: Those savings are invested in the stock market. They’re not sitting in a vault somewhere, they’re invested in paper, banks, industries, you name it. When those investors, as people with retirement accounts are properly referred to, pull out their investments, which is what their savings are, the stock market will plummet. Because without their money invested in it, there suddenly won’t be any money out there to fund businesses or, for that matter, your mortgages. Not to mention what it will do to interest rates once everybody loses interest in investing, so have fun if your mortgage is an ARM. It will make the crash of ‘29 look like a mild adjustment by comparison. Don’t believe me? Ask Argentina. They tried the same thing and they had to shut their stock market down to keep it from collapsing. Repeatedly. And it collapsed anyway.
“But that doesn’t matter, because Saint Hope and Change will take care of us! He PROMISED to take care of us!”
O RLY?
How, you colossally cretinous cuntweasels? How, exactly, is he going to pay for it? With what, exactly, is he going to pay for it?
When the economy comes to full, screeching, fucking halt, just what, exactly, do you think is going to happen to his Politburo’s tax revenues? Sure, he could always print more money. Ask the Argentinians about that too. Or, if you can find one, somebody who lived during the Weimar Republic. It’s so much fun when inflation hits a level where you have to use a wheelbarrow to bring enough money to buy a loaf of bread. Sheesh, I can’t wait to see the first $1,000,000 bill with Chairman Hussein’s jug-eared mug on it, mainly because I can’t wait to wipe my arse with it. It will be worth less than toilet paper at that point anyway, so it’s not like I’ll be losing out on the deal.
That’s some mighty potent Hope! and Change!™ you’ve brought about for all of us, isn’t it?
And if you think for a second that us 48′ers aren’t going to remember in great detail who’s responsible for it, then you’re deluding yourselves. But you might as well do that, because otherwise you’re likely to shit your pants when you realize how we might decide to repay you for your “favor.”
Think about that. We’re not going to forget and there will be a reckoning, so you’d best get off your dumb arses and start reining your Dear Leader in before he fucks up the country. That is, at this point, your only, solitary hope.
You fucking, thieving, totalitarian, Marxist scum.
Thatisall.
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Wow.
Just, wow.
The hubris of these jokers is sickening. But then again, Reid, Pelosi, and their minions have been salivating for this moment. I truly hope and pray that they think twice about this mistake. Because if they go forward with this idea, the current financial situation will look like the Reagan era.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:36 PMUsing
I read it, shook my head, and read it again. No right to inherit. And let me tell the libs something…when I have been contributing to such plans longer than many of you have been alive, I take it very personally when you piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. Nothing but glorified social security, to be blown by the government in liberal gimme programs. Gives them a license to kill, both literally and figuratively. Big Daddy government. Like folks are doing in spades, buy guns and ammo! Even here in Kalifornia, record gun sales. It gives me hope. It’s scorched earth time, motherfuckers! I’d rather not save a fucking dime or lose it all in the stock market, then let the crash take down the government and the libs with it. For there would be a lot of huntin’ goin on……a LOT of huntin.’
November 8th, 2008 at 2:45 PMAnd one other thought, folks…………
They aren’t even in office yet…..!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are we to wait around with looks of impotent disbelief until we’re completely broken?
This is more than just thievery…….
Folks, the conservative half of America is the last obstacle to the WunWurldWetDream. Obama, unbeknownst even to him, is just the tool for them to break America economically in order to subjugate and control us. It’s not even about ideology. That’s just the New
ReligionOpiate for the M-asses. Which is Zero’s only real function, one which he so vaguely but effectively preaches as he gazes over the horizon, glowing with messianic zeal, into that Brave New World that only he can see blah, blah.It’s all about control, power and money on the grandest scale imaginable. If they succeed, Liberty is gone for a very, very long time, possibly forever. Technology increasingly makes revolution all but impossible once that kind of power is in place.
What more do we need to know? How long till we act? And just what the hell can we do that isn’t merely futile, symbolic… and fatal?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:01 PMUsing
Then the fun will begin Caveman. :em99: :em01:
“The Big O”, “Stretch” Pelosi, Reid & Co. still think we’re too stoopid to know what’s comin’ down the road. The latest market sell-off after their Messiah was declared fuhrer does not compute with them.
Dig your heels in, Rotties. Nasty times are comin’.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:10 PMUsing
Oh look one of your papers admits to biased coverage, but since there aware of that and have admitted it, you can trust them again…..
http://www.washingto.....02895.html
“..The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts. .”
“..The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces (58) about McCain than there were about Obama (32), and Obama got the editorial board’s endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain..”
“..The Post’s biographical pieces, especially the first ones — McCain by Michael Leahy and Obama by David Maraniss — were compelling. Maraniss demystified Obama’s growing-up years; the piece on his mother and grandparents was a great read. Leahy’s first piece on McCain’s father and grandfather, both admirals, told me where McCain got his maverick ways as a kid — right from the two old men.
But Obama deserved tougher scrutiny than he got, especially of his undergraduate years, his start in Chicago and his relationship with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, who was convicted this year of influence-peddling in Chicago. The Post did nothing on Obama’s acknowledged drug use as a teenager..”
So now theyve admitted that you will all start buying them again????
PIGS ARSE!
November 8th, 2008 at 3:17 PMUsing
Military
Coup
NOW!
November 8th, 2008 at 3:22 PMUsing
@ LC Gunsniper:
Followed by a good old fashioned purge and the public execution of traitors.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:28 PMUsing
Missed the other link…
http://voices.washin....._much.html
“..While some will seize on these findings as evidence that the media are pro-Obama, the study says they actually contain “a strong suggestion that winning in politics begets winning coverage,..”
Translated to “Up yours plebs, we know whats best”…
November 8th, 2008 at 3:30 PMUsing
Great. Just great. And if we liquidate our retirement accounts, we take a HUGE tax hit. Either way, we’re screwed.
I think I’m gonna send this to my oldest nephew. He voted for the marxist. I want my nephew to tell ME why it’s okay for the marxist to take his aunt’s and uncle’s and grandparents’ money and give it to HIM.
And he’d better have a real good reason.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:31 PMUsing
Jon the Imperial Hunter sez:
I disagree with you, Jon. I think Obama knows EXACTLY what is going on. Remember how he talked about being a citizen of the world?
November 8th, 2008 at 3:32 PMUsing
@ Cheryl:
I think it might be time to liquidate my stocks and stock up on cd’s…both here and abroad.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:33 PMUsing
So, now we learn that 401Ks are increasingly risky investments.
The following “securities” are looking more and more attractive:
45ACPs, .308s, .223s, 7.62×39s, and all the others
I still pray that our government will not become tyrannous — but I have fear in my heart.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:50 PMUsing
Well, if we liquidate our stocks and holdings, the economy will tank. Big time. And what will society do? Scream for MORE regulation of course!
I’m sorry I sound so fatalistic, you guys. But frankly, the 42 that voted for McCain would have gotten the same bullshit. This isn’t about the election per se. And it isn’t about Obama and the Democrats per se. This has been going on for a while, and every last fucking politician in Washington is loving it, because crises are job security, and the more critical the situation, the more they can take control.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:55 PMUsing
Guns are said to be an excellent investment……maybe some pretty gold and silver coins…..and some lead bullets. If Barky has designs on global governance, a la financial slavery……
November 8th, 2008 at 3:58 PMUsing
@ LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun:
“Remember how he talked about being a citizen of the world?”
I mean that Zero is a True Believer in his own messianic bullshit and a narcissistic megalomaniac to boot. That makes him a wonderful tool and sock puppet for his ‘handlers’. I also think he could go ‘off the reservation’ (approved agenda) pretty easily. Oh, he’s all One World and all… he just doesn’t know who really pulls the strings or that their plans lead not to Utopia as he may envision it.
Or how fast they’ll cut him down if that fits the agenda. And, most frighteningly of all, it just might. If they can’t succeed through ‘his’ policies, if our resistance and resolve are enough to stymie them, what better way to destroy us than through a race war precipitated by his assassination, while our enemies gloat and take advantage? Martial law, confiscation, internment camps, real factional warfare, paranoia rampant, hording, economic disaster, the military split between those who will and those who won’t… foreign troops?
What a mess. Whether he does or he doesn’t really know….
November 8th, 2008 at 4:20 PMUsing
It looks like it ain’t going to happen. The socialist think-tank wonk who was pushing this plan has been thrown under the bus by Miller, the rep running the committee in question.
Apparently he got a clue when Cavuto started grilling him about stealing peoples 401k funds on Fox.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:26 PMUsing
Kristopher, LC sez:
For now.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:28 PMUsing
Kristopher, LC sez:
No, they’ll just devise a plan to incorporate it gradually. Quisling effect.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:30 PMUsing
Possibly … but it was good that they were fool enough to get their ass’s burned by supporting the whole package for a day.
We should see more of these gaffs in the future … the community worker retards in congress are completely clueless about what motivates and angers working people.
These stupid fuckers wanna turn the burner all the way on under the frog cooker.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:34 PMUsing
November 8th, 2008 at 4:35 PM
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DOG HERE….. HEY YOU DUMBASS HUMANS! GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD GEAR ON STRAIGHT!
How much fucking ammo do you think you can carry? You live in a armored bunker with multiple shooters, cleared fields of fire? How long do you think your little doggy houses would last under a coordinated assault. yes barterable items are good. But dammers, what in the fuck good is a thousand rounds of ammo if you only have five 30rnd mags?
How many of you have a ballistic vest?
How many of you have load bearing equipment (LBE)
How many of you have multiple magazines for your fire arms?
Spare parts?
ballistic helmets?
Gas Masks?
A good LARGE FIRE EXTINGUSHER?
A reliable hand held WATER FILTER?
I read a lot of people preparing for a end stage battle, yet you havent shown a modicum of interest in engaging in battle that needs to be fought NOW. No you are spending money on GEAR.
Two days ago a thread was created asking.. what was the correct tactic to use to begin to repair the causes of what we face today … NARY A RESPONSE FROM MOST OF YOU SUPPOSED “LC’s” NOT A HINT OF WILLINGNESS TO USE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO US TODAY TO BRING OUR POWER TO BEAR. Instead I get “buy more guns & ammo” and oh “they’ll be sorry if they come for me” WHAT UTTER BULLSHIT.
NOW IS THE TIME TO UNITE ! TO ASCERTAIN WEAKNESSES! TO PRESSURE EVERY ENTITY AVAIALBLE IN A CORDINATED MANNER.
THERE IS A LOT MORE TO SELF DEFENSE THAT PHYSICAL REACTION. WE STILL HAVE THE INTELLECT, THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE, THE ABILITY TO FORMALLY ORGANIZE, AND TO FIGHT THIS WAR ON THE FIELD THAT ITS BEING FOUGHT ON. THIS IS NOT A SHOOTING WAR! THIS IS A CULTURE WAR….. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER HUMANS… OR ELSE I POOP ON YOU ALL! :em12:
November 8th, 2008 at 4:36 PMUsing
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LC FORGER - Imperial Blacksmith sez:
BINGO!! You quoted Mencken! I think I may add you to my internet harem!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:43 PMUsing
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
DOG, you are always and forever my furry canine love!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:44 PMUsing
TT. I think I gots ya on all counts. Sorta like a deployment with the tools locker full. But I can’t speak fer the surrounds. We need C3 with peoples who have no idea what command, control, and communications really means.
Stand fast!
November 8th, 2008 at 5:47 PMUsing
@ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:
Ya know, when His Darthiness warned about the blood pressure meds, I wasn’t expecting to have to consult a vet! :em01:
But you are 100% dead on.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:48 PMUsing
Allow me to quote from Marx:
That’s Groucho Marx. :em93:
November 8th, 2008 at 6:21 PMUsing
Oh, and it looks like the “Light Worker” has decided to throw the mandatory community service crap under the bus as well … says that Young Pioneer membership will be voluntary.
Not sure how “voluntary” it will be, but it looks like his advisers are telling him to turn the heat down on that frog pot.
Too bad … more colossal screwups like these would make our task of booting the morons in 2010 easier.
November 8th, 2008 at 6:33 PMUsing
Oh, I’m sure jugears is just warming up in the on-deck circle.
His presidency is going to be an interesting watch much the same way seeing a vehicle careening out of control is interesting. At least until it’s careening at you. :em72:
November 8th, 2008 at 6:57 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
And since he’s getting his inheriatance early, no need to have him in the will. . .
November 8th, 2008 at 6:58 PMUsing
We need to help these turkeys keep screwing up, stomping on their peckers, making the populace see them for the clueless sorts they are………..Troy is correct, many of us have prepared for what we think may be coming. But what can we do about it now? To perhaps prevent the necessity, for example? At this point in time I seek to spread doubt, uncertainty, not to mention anger, to promote gun ownership with others. I’ve converted three people so far…they all love their guns. Once they understand the feeling it can convey, they are then our allies. We can all communicate with our elected officials….for all the good it may do. But not doing so will convey acceptance of the status quo. And that we must NOT do. Many of us have quietly prepared for a siege, I have…..but what have we done to prepare for a fight? Both psychological and if necessary, physical. I am going to give that a great deal of thought……..ideas?
November 8th, 2008 at 7:31 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
But in the Wackiness we can believe in thread we see the first hints that he is not so much a citizen fo the world as a citizen of the galaxy, and now president-elect thereof. :em95:
November 8th, 2008 at 7:39 PMUsing
LC_Salgak sez:
Ooooh…good point, Salgak. I’ll be sure to mention THAT to him, as well. Cause as soon as Bambi is done with my folks, there won’t be nothin’ left to inherit later.
And MINE is going to my children (what’s left, anyway). :em12:
November 8th, 2008 at 7:53 PMUsing
Ok just out of interest does America have any sort of death or inheritance taxes??
Australia used to have them and they were so hated once they were removed no party (bar the loopy greens) has ever raised them again.
Obama is chucking an effective death duty/inheritance tax on the middle class by taking half of the money remaining in you pension after you die It wont affect the “Hollywood” style wealthy, but it will halve the money you can leave to your kids/loved ones.
Fuck that stinks. Call it what it is, a death tax, and see how quick he turns face.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:16 PM:em72:
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November 8th, 2008 at 8:20 PMUsing
Frollickingmole, we have that, we call it a death tax, and they don’t give a damn.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:25 PMUsing
I have been a lurker at this site for three years and today I pledged my loyalty to the realm in exchange for citizenship. This bullshit with the 401K’s and IRA’s could be the flashpoint that pushes this “cultural” war to the next level. I’ve worked hard my whole life, served my country honorably for eight years active duty, and never asked for one dime of help. Now, I’m 18 months away from being able to enjoy the fruits of my labors, and this cracker-assed cunt thinks I’m going to let her have my piggy bank? In the words of Charleton Heston “From my cold dead hands” BEYOTCH
November 8th, 2008 at 8:32 PMUsing
You guys are late!!! LOL I covered this back on the 26th of OCT.
They ain’t kidding about it either, Jim Mcdermott and George Miller are the two Donks that are in bed with this Ghilarudi cunt, and it is gaining traction if they are now holding hearings.
Here’s the nutty professor that dreamed this whole Money Grab scheme up…
If they even draft a bill, passing it or not is irrelevant, If they even draft a bill the right should IMHO either march on D.C. or go on a nation wide strike. No I am not kidding.
I’ve long thought this over, The right has economic power, there is no doubt in my mind we fuel the economy at a rather disproportionate level than the left, after all we have jobs.
48% of the country stops showing up to work and the economy already faltering and the government already bleeding rivers of red ink will grind to a halt. 900 pt drop in the DOW? Try sending the fucker to 4000, and see what happens. It will be chaos.
What are the banks the credit card companies the government going to do? Put 48 Million people in Jail, repossess 48 million homes and cars? And do what with them?
I estimate 2 months with productivity and GDP at almost a dead stand still and we’ll see a coup in DC maybe not military but the communist that have weaseled their way into the halls of power could very well be doing the Nylon Rope Dangle…
November 8th, 2008 at 8:38 PMUsing
Fucking politicians. I have two words for them.
Fuck yourselves.
Strong message to follow.
Same for you 52 jackasses.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:43 PMUsing
Hands off my retirement!!…
That would be for the Democrats.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:48 PMSeems that a couple of the D.C. critters have decided to do away with the slow train and our ever increasing slide into socialism and head straight for 100% Grade A communism, one of the state controlling every aspect …
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November 8th, 2008 at 8:50 PMUsing
Good points all. Keep blogging. If the net is the media of today and the future, make damn sure anybody you talk to stays informed. Stock your hunker/boogie supplies, stay very low profile visually, and be viral on the net. If we can keep the leash tight enough(sorry DOG), and the light bright enough that TEH ONE can’t piss on your table leg without everyone knowing how it DIRECTLY affects them, we may make it to 2010/12 intact. But it’s for damn sure going to need a lot of people holding spotlights.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:57 PMAnd I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that the coup option isn’t being seriously discussed by somebody in the right place to work it.
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Cis, I think this is the sort of venue Dog was talking about above when he refered to taking action in the Here and Now. I do not know how you could get wide-spread disemination of information for planning purposes. Strikes are really only effective if they are widly supported and their goals clearly delineated. This is not meant to Poo-Poo a good idea, but merely to provide a launch pad to help get your idea off the ground. :em02:
November 8th, 2008 at 8:58 PMUsing
Hephaestus-forger of steel sez:
Understood and I fully understand that most of the 48 million “conservatives” will simply not do it. They’ll cry about “personal responsibility” and “Ethics” and god knows what else.
It’s a pipe dream at best. But hey, it’s my pipe dream, a guy can dream can’t he? :em98:
November 8th, 2008 at 9:05 PMUsing
@ LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder:
“I fully understand that most of the 48 million “conservatives” will simply not do it. They’ll cry about “personal responsibility” and “Ethics” and god knows what else.”
I dunno, CiS. If conservatives are given to truly understand what’s at stake (as in, through your heart) this might be more possible than you think. Start that ball rolling downhill now. It wouldn’t take the whole “48″ and a bunch of the “52″ might realize that they’re getting gored as well.
First really good idea short of Armageddon I’ve heard so far.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:32 PMUsing
Jon the Imperial Hunter sez:
Too many Sheeple out there Jon, they haven’t yet suffered enough. In time it’ll start building momentum, maybe, but I think right now the whole right side of the aisle is in utter disarray and the average American is still not ready for something like this, it’s too “radical” they are too comfortable with the way things are, and they are way too slow to realize what is coming down the pike for what it is.
A Semi truck loaded with Socialism.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:11 AMUsing
Here we go again…
…I recall that one of the trial balloons the Democrats floated in the early days of the Clinton Administration was a proposal to take “excess funds” from private pension plans and “invest” them in public works projects. That got shot down in a hurry when people realized what might happen when they retired and opened up their IRA and pension accounts only to find a bunch of government IOUs…
This is the same stunt, but on a much larger scale. With, of course, the difference being that under this plan the .gov will force folks to surrender their 401Ks and private pension plans and fold them into the existing bankrupt Social Security system, so they can be looted directly.
No wonder Urkel wants a “civilian national security force” as powerful as the existing US military establishment…
November 9th, 2008 at 12:31 AMUsing
@ LC Wes, Imperial Mohel:
“No wonder Urkel wants a “civilian national security force” as powerful as the existing US military establishment…”
I think that’ll take a long time to come to the place where it would actually give them the muscle to just do… whatever. Imagine cutting the military 25% and then trying to implement another entity that costs four times as much. Couple that with recruitment and
trainingindoctrination (the details of which would leak and frighten any one with an amoeba sized brain) and it just seems unworkable.He’ll just have to be satisfied with the pubic skools for his first three terms. /sar.
After watching this
‘election’auction, I wouldn’t be surprised.I’m hoping that the Hitler Youth would be the straw the camel is dreading.
And btw Wes… Urkel
Bwaaahahahahahaha!
November 9th, 2008 at 12:45 AMUsing
I can’t take credit for the “Urkel” reference, Jon…I think I first saw Obama called that over at Kim du Toit’s blog.
…It’s still funny, though… :em99:
November 9th, 2008 at 1:25 AMUsing
He’s already fucking up. A LOT! Not even a week after the election, and even his side are wondering what the hell they’ve done. Let me simply say, “Oops” don’t plug a bullet hole. We keep direct pressure on the wound until the medical staff gets in place to fix the damage.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:27 AMI’ve got all my gear(well, more MREs wouldn’t hurt), and I’m ready for whatever. As I said, be ready to do what must be done. Get your hunker/boogie shit right, stay as close to invisible publicly as you can, and go viral on the net.
Palin/Jindal 2012!
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TT,
In answer to your “Do you Haves”, YES. Now to the next part, I would think that we would need a public forum to discuss non-contiversial subjects. From our side this would be the equivilent of the DU.
I know that term will make many puke but, come up with a better name. If someone out there will do what DJ does on this site, I will build the server underneath the thing. Whats one more server in the living room?
Can we discuss one point, we have derided BDS as a mental disorder. Have we ever thought about the fact that it was in the end an effective tactic. What will ours be?
TT, I will be happy to have polite discourse with you on this at any time but, as for responding to further rants. Sorry, I am busy planning my own actions.
If you want to talk privately its OldDog at olddog dot name. And yeah thats my cold address.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:31 AMUsing
If you can stomach it, here is a link with the entire hearing….You might want to gouge your eye balls out with a rusty sppon or stick a nail studded 2×4 into your ear before hand it will help you prepare for the pain.
Miller, Ghilarducci, Weller, Orzag, Dennis Kuncnich, and assorted others …for over 2 hours of testimony and circle jerking.
I watched it ….all of it. Someone please call the Jack Daniels production division, tell them to ramp it up..I’m on a plane in 12 hours….I think I am going to need it when I hit the USSA. :em98:
Basically it boils down to a witch hunt of 401K,s Caterwauling about the loss of government revenue because people get tax breaks, and that you, I and millions of others are just too god damn stupid to manage our retirement accounts.
Ghilarducci went so far, and I quote, to say when questioned by Chairman Andrews
“The government can do it better than any other financial entity” :em38:
November 9th, 2008 at 2:30 AMUsing
Here’s one action we can take. Got this from Newsmax today. This is Michael Reagan’s organization. Go to ReaganAction.com and see the list of actions they plan to take.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:52 AMUsing
Michael Reagan’s idea is to have a citizens’ army of people to respond and pelt Congress and the What House with letters, petitions, and emails when they try these schemes. And he has a list of more things they intend to do. He expressly says he doesn’t want to just have a website where the editors bemoan the state of affairs but don’t actually DO anything about it.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:53 AMUsing
LC Old Dog SFC USA (RET) sez:
conservative underground. see you at the C.U.
November 9th, 2008 at 8:30 AMUsing
For a good primer on how a new political organization may (and should) be founded when an existing one has marginalized itself into irrelevance, simply review how and why the Republican Party was founded in the first place.
In the 1850’s, the Whig Party was fast sinking into desuetude and nonentity. They had no worthwhile principles or platforms that had not been confiscated by the other side, and they were fundamentally a weary and shopworn “me-too” party that was fast fading from the scene. Crises threatened to tear the nation asunder, and neither Whigs nor Democrats could or would address them effectively. A new organization was needed.
To be effective, the new organization had to have a key platform that would not be pilfered, and the Republicans had it in their crusade against slavery. This was not the only plank in their platform by any means, but it was the reason for their existence, and the reason they achieved first relevance and then success. It enabled them to muster the existing anti-slavery forces in the north and west, including such men as Abraham Lincoln, and thus confront their foes with significant opposition almost overnight.
If it can be done once, it can be done again.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:02 AMUsing
oopsie, conservative underground is taken. oh well thats my brain fart for the day taken care of. :em02:
November 9th, 2008 at 9:30 AMUsing
Tallulah sez:
I guess I am more than a little disapointed that more LC’s didnt engage in the thread and profer a similar idea. DOGS rant was designed to tickle those that hadnt considered there is more to equipment than BEANS and BULLETS. I have my kit and its primary consideration is the boogie side of the equation. The hunker down portion is only concerned with Civil Unrest and regular goblins. There is no way I could defend against a coordinated assault by professionals with proper gear. Thankfully, we have bit of time to aquire the items most needed before they are prohibited. But I beleive that while doing that, IT IS THE PRIMARY DUTY OF EVERY PATRIOT TO ACT within the system and expend great effort to FIX the problem. And I agree whole heartedly with Michael Reagans approach… but pressuring the POLS isnt enough, there is still the corrupt media (thay have admitted thier bias), there is the corrupt Academia, etc. etc. That need address.
I believe that NOT participating in this process makes the non-participant PART OF THE PROBLEM….not part of the solution.
So I guess what I am looking for within this (a community I take great pride in being allowed to participate) is a AFFIRMATION by each individual that they are going to expend effort (outside of preparing for physical battle) to reclaim OUR COUNTRY AS OUR FOUNDERS ENVISIONED IT.
THIS IS AMERICA!
November 9th, 2008 at 9:46 AMUsing
Troy, that self-same action that Michael Reagan mentioned for the pols is also applicable to the media. Let everyone YOU know hear the mistakes they make. Same action. Once you prove the media bias, and point out where they are directing their bias in the truth, this will lower their sales. NYT “junk stock” for example.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:01 AMUsing
The best way to deal with the media is to hit em where it hurts. Their sponsors. Every business that you see being advertised on the newsies, write em and tell them that you will no longer support their business until they either put pressure on the media to turn their asses around, or pull out their ads. Money or lack thereof speaks volumes these days. So what if you have to start buying generic spaghetti sauce or start making it from scratch? So what if you have to start buying the cheapy toilet paper. By the time Obamination gets through with us we’ll be lucky to get junk mail to wipe our asses with.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:08 AMUsing
A few thoughts to throw into the mix.
1) The preparations to either hunker down or boogie are indeed on point. And indeed, none of us alone is going to be able to withstand a full out assault. The next question that brings up though is: If an individual cannot stand against a tyrannical government using military force on its subjects, what will you do if you see either a SWAT team or the Civilian National Defense Force attacking a neighbor down the block? Or across town? Across the state or country?
2) Political actions are indeed necessary and vital. But in a time when we have no real certainty that there will ever be another real election in this country; we are left with the situation where the new Nomenklatura can propose and do anything with absolutely no downside. They could propose and pass the full bore scrapping of the Constitution and its replacement with the old Soviet constitution in an afternoon. Every one of those politicians [both Democrats and RINO's] and apparatchniki would then go home, safe and secure in the knowledge that they and their families would still be feasting, be warm, comfortable, and protected so long as they avoid contact with us peasants. Like Animal Farm, some are more equal than others. In the absence of a surety [and maybe even a possibility] that they can be voted out, how do we impose a down side to being a tyrant or a lackey thereof?
3) Once Hussein Pasha creates his version of the SA, the Civilian National Defense Force, how do patriots react? And I don’t mean en-masse, but personally. It is going to be staffed by what to us old buggers would be “youth”. How do we react to them when we see them on the street? How do we react, when it is someone we know who joins? Family perhaps.
How do we make it the social norm that CNDF members under whatever guise are subject to public contempt? How do we make it the norm that they will be resisted at every turn? How do we make it the norm that no one wants to join, and that if they try to draft or coerce members, that it is resisted even harder than the Left resisted the draft? How do we make is certain that they be seen publicly as the agents of tyrants that they are?
I don’t have a whole bunch of answers to put out here. I will leave the questions to be discussed quietly in the privacy of homes, among friends, and surely in more secure forums than here.
LC Subotai Bahadur
November 9th, 2008 at 10:47 AMUsing
@ LC Subotai Bahadur:
Im willing to bet that you have your thoughts on numbers 2 and 3 and I would like to hear them.
2) I dont think that scenario is likely at all, but it is brain candy so I will respond like this. Do you really think that there wouldnt be a response to this scenario by our own military? And by this I mean from a historical perspective? In the last calamity (the civil war) where did the majority of both sides draw thier leadership pool? If Im not mistaken it was from the military academies, West Point, VMI, etc. etc. Or should I rephrase that to be “effective” leaders. Would those “instructors” of today not have a similar response?
3) as to the proposed Civilian Defense Corp. How could this possibly be justified from a perspective of need and economic investment? I can tell you that shit wouldnt fly here in my small town. I can also tell you that I have the skill sets necessary to infiltrate early on to get a good “boots on the ground” assesment. From there it is a matter of determining the best way to undermine the process locally. In the initial phase of any organization there are many ways to apply “pressure”. Finally in regard to this, it is my plan to write to every congress person (with emphasis on the republicans) to ensure that they understand how VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED to this type of organization I am.
4) It is my understand that you are a retired LEO in the region of the “front range”. I have a very very close friend that was a LEO in Greely, Johnstown and a couple of other places who also spent a number of years attached to a local DEA task Force…. so if you peformed in that area.. let me know …. we may have mutual aquaintances.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:22 PMUsing
Civil Defense Force sounds so much better in the Original German :Schutzstaffel. And when armed, simply Waffen SS. Originally unpaid volunteers, eventually in direct competition for funds and supply with the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine.
I am afraid that, as has happened so many times before, a flashpoint will start a civil conflagration before any side is ready to initiate a coordinated, effective campaign. An incident will occur, whether political, legal, involving violence, imprisonment or theft, that cannot be ignored or let go by without response. There will be thse outraged few who will act instantly, as they must, and the counter-offensive by the Gov’t will draw ever more “rebels” into the fray. This could expand to consume the whole nation. This need not be a violent confrontation. Could be a grand legal battle. But it could be a nasty, ugly armed fight for survival.
Best to prepare as fast and as much as possible to have as good an organization in place as possible before some dumbass hits the Reset button.
Has anyone else considered an alternative print media? Small, limited circulation local papers focused on scrupulously researched factual articles? It would have to contain mostly local stories of general interest, not be a political rag at all, to attract readership. When a readership and reputation are established, expand the format a bit, but always remain scrupulously unbiased and factual. Your readers will come to realize that, while the NYT is a propaganda birdcage liner, the Local News Paper will give them the real skinny on any given topic, showing the truth, warts and all, about any and every public figure.
I’m seriously considering it. That’s something I can do, I can afford, and will reach people who don’t know what the Anti-idiotarian Rottweiler is.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:20 PMUsing
@ Special Ed, Half-Vast Conspirator:
I like the idea… and could even downsize it. Leaflets….. Store Bulletin Boards, church parking lots. etc. etc. Just a little bit at a time… spoon feed em… famer co-ops….”community” centers. Selective Target Audiences….. me likee!
November 9th, 2008 at 1:43 PMUsing
@ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:
Sorry Troy,
I worked for the State, not a local department, and was in the southern front range area. Yeah, I have some of my own ideas for the responses, but they are not for communications in the clear.
By the way, here is something to get your knickers in a knot on a Sunday morning. In Topeka, Kansas, they are demonstrating for a Barack Obama National Holiday.. It seems to be being organized out of the McDonald’s restaurant chain [or at least approved by it] and the General Manager is listed as a contact number. One of the less violent reactions to Hussein Pasha would be to spread the word on this, and a) call for a boycott of McDonalds by those of us in the 48% and b) burying their corporate HQ with complaint letters and emails, along with as much publicity as possible. Possible positive effects [noting that in reality a boycott would not put them out of business, but hopefully would be noticable as another thing hurting their bottom line during the economic crash] would be a) putting corporate America on notice that sucking up to Hussein Pasha may not be a good thing, and b) the concept of wanting a national holiday for the Chosen One would strike most Americans as being arrogant in the extreme. Not a game changer, but plugging away as part of the long war., and c) low grade effect, if the chain has to start worrying about having a pro-Obama image, perhaps they may hesitate over advertising in MSM outlets known for worshipping The One. Every tiny shove pushing the MSM over the cliff is a good thing.
LC Subotai Bahadur
November 9th, 2008 at 1:47 PMUsing
Well, well, time to write McDogmeats a letter……….
November 9th, 2008 at 1:54 PMUsing
This will do to start…
November 9th, 2008 at 2:04 PMThere are those of us not sharing your zeal…say about half of your customers.
Give it some thought…………
A former customer…..
now to get eloquent….
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