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Which, really, is pretty much a “dog bites man” headline when you’re talking about The Anointed One, B. Hussein Obama.

Barack Obama is to pursue an ambitious peace plan in the Middle East involving the recognition of Israel by the Arab world in exchange for its withdrawal to pre-1967 borders, according to sources close to America’s president-elect.

Obama intends to throw his support behind a 2002 Saudi peace initiative endorsed by the Arab League and backed by Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister and leader of the ruling Kadima party.

The proposal gives Israel an effective veto on the return of Arab refugees expelled in 1948 while requiring it to restore the Golan Heights to Syria and allow the Palestinians to establish a state capital in east Jerusalem.

Ah… So Israel gets to hand over Jerusalem, give up enough territory to basically cut the nation in two, a plan thought up by a bunch of pisslamic tinpot dictators in Shoddy Retardia, the nation that gave us 15 out of the 19 hijackers of 9/11, and all in return for what, exactly?

Oh, the paleosimians promise to be good little simians and not demand the “right to return” they’ve been screaming about for 60 years. And we all know just how wonderfully trustworthy and likely the paleosimians are, don’t we? We’re sure that this new Age of Peace and Unity will last every bit as long as the sea of goodwill that washed over the terrortories after Israel unilaterally and without conditions handed over Gaza to the splodeymonkeys.

What’s not to like? That Hussein, he’ll cut you such a deal, Israel.

55 Responses to “Obameinführer No Friend of the Jews”
  1. LC Aggie Sith Comment by LC Aggie Sith UNITED STATES

    Wow….what a deal!!!!

    A friend of mine painted an oil of the Golan Heights at sunset. He told us he did it because he was sure he would never again see it in his lifetime. I had hopes for him, but now…..

    And why are the Saudis pissing in this pot?

  2. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl UNITED STATES

    And just when are the Israelis going to start the bombing? Hmmmm?
    I’m guessing a few days after Hussein takes power.
    That way this silly little “peace” plan will go straight into the dumpster.

  3. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl UNITED STATES

    Obama intends to throw his support behind a 2002 Saudi peace initiative endorsed by the Arab League and backed by Tzipi Livni

    :em01: :em99: :em01: :em99:

    What a surprise! Everything is moving along according to plan. What are the 78% of American Jews who voted for the marxist gutter rat going to say about it now? Nothing to see here folks. Just keep movin’ along. :em72:

  4. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl UNITED STATES

    And just when are the Israelis going to start the bombing? Hmmmm?
    I’m guessing a few days after Hussein takes power.

    They should start in on Jan. 20, Inauguration Ascension to the Throne Day.

  5. jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery Comment by jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery UNITED STATES

    I don’t confess to knowing much about the geography of that region. What I DO know, based on the following Google earth image, is that if Israel cedes the territory pre-1967, then they will be a much smaller country…..and much more vulnerable.

    the red lines are armistice lines 1949 and 1950, the orange lines are Cease Fire lines alpha and Bravo on the Golan heights…….administered by UNDOF.

    molon lave

    hey all you jewish voters who voted for odumbo……

    any buyers remorse yet?

  6. Unregistered Comment by mindy1 UNITED STATES

    I maybe naive, but I hope the peace plan works, if only because I am so sick of hearing people say it is about the occupation. I think Israel should be allowed to go back if the plan does not work.

  7. Unregistered Comment by mousseman SWITZERLAND

    Dear Jews,

    you voted for me. Unfortunately, I’ve had to shaft you regarding Israel.

    You’ve been had.

    Best Regards,

    B. Obama

  8. LC AnnieMcPhee Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee UNITED STATES

    Israel is going along with this? I sure as hell hope they don’t.

    And they wonder why people kept mentioning the “Hussein” in his name. That sonofabitch.

  9. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun UNITED STATES

    mindy1 sez:

    I maybe naive, but I hope the peace plan works, if only because I am so sick of hearing people say it is about the occupation. I think Israel should be allowed to go back if the plan does not work.

    Mindy,
    Can you point to ONE time that it lasted? If not, why should it now? Attitudes aren’t any different there, from what I can tell.

    Where’s Elchonon? What’s he got to say about this? He’s gotta be thoroughly ticked right about now.

  10. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun UNITED STATES

    mousseman sez:

    Dear Jews,
    you voted for me. Unfortunately, I’ve had to shaft you regarding Israel.
    You’ve been had.
    Best Regards,
    B. Obama

    With all due respect, Mousseman,

    I think that should be signed B. HUSSEIN Obama

  11. LC FORGER - Imperial Blacksmith Comment by LC FORGER - Imperial Blacksmith

    Israel could withdraw to Pre-1967 fuckin’ KANSAS, and the rags would still wanna see ‘em DEAD.

    They should tell The Noob, “Fuck Off and die, strong message follows.”, and kick the shit outta the paleosimians, hizzbolla, lebanon, Iran and any other fuck knuckle in the area while W. is still in office and they have any hope of US backing them up.

    :em98:

  12. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    Hey the “fall” action has already started (in case anybody hasnt see it yet) rockets are flying into Isreal and Airstrikes are landing on little piggies. Funny, this shit didnt start again until about a week ago… co-inkydink? Isreal needs to carpet bomb a buffer zone.. just lay fucking waste. KILL THEM ALL. Some freaky shit… one of the requirements of revelation is that a major ally “turn thier back” on Isreal. …. Shit! I’de go help em if I thought they’de take me…

  13. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

    Am I the only one that was certain by nightfall on Nov. 4 that the Isrealis were no longer giving us good intelligence and that they immediately started plans for the glassing over of Iran, which will almost certainly take place in just a few weeks. I figure we’ll be lucky if they call Bush when the planes are in the air…just out of courtesy, you know.

  14. LC Aggie Sith Comment by LC Aggie Sith UNITED STATES

    @ Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur:

    Am I the only one that was certain by nightfall on Nov. 4 that the Isrealis were no longer giving us good intelligence and that they immediately started plans for the glassing over of Iran, which will almost certainly take place in just a few weeks

    No, you were not the only one. As for Israel, I think they will play along until Obama’s inagurated/crowned, before they hit Iran, hard. Bush has always been a strong supporter of Israel, and they will give him the courtesy of not striking until he can no longer be blamed. I’m pretty sure they will wait until they can test Obama. And I can’t wait…..

  15. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg UNITED STATES

    Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur sez:

    Am I the only one that was certain by nightfall on Nov. 4 that the Isrealis were no longer giving us good intelligence and that they immediately started plans for the glassing over of Iran, which will almost certainly take place in just a few weeks. I figure we’ll be lucky if they call Bush when the planes are in the air…just out of courtesy, you know.

    Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve been clamping down on what they share with us for some time now.
    We haven’t really had their back for some time now - too many times we’ve asked them to stand down, be patient, etc. It should be apparent to Israel that after Jan. 20 we won’t have their backs at all. For them, it’s not a choice of whether the world will condemn them (it always does already), it’s a choice of whether to survive or not.

    When it comes down to it (soon), I’m sure that they are going to do whatever they have to re: Iran. The Israelis are tough SOBs. Personally, I’d rather go into battle with 20 of them at my side vs. 200 Arabs.

  16. Tallulah Comment by Tallulah UNITED STATES

    They should never have given back the Sinai peninsula, let alone all this other territory. Sure as shit should keep the West Bank. That’s a third of the damn territory. And the Paleos were supposed to be in fucking Jordan: they already have the lion’s share of the terrain there.

    And as Netanyahu said, if you have the Hamas ruling half of Jerusalem, the Jews can’t live in the other half. The apes would be killing them all the time. And with this idea, Tel Aviv is in rocket range.

    If I were the Israelis, I’d elect Bibi, tell the US under Hussein to sod off, and start locking and loading and taking territory BACK. Seriously. Every time they’ve taken the apes on, they’ve kicked their asses into the Med.

    This “idea” is to crowd the Jews into the “Auschwitz borders.” Bastards.

    As for the Useful Idiot Jews who voted for Hussein, they’ll find some way to blame US for the debacle. Turds.

  17. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik UNITED STATES

    @ Cheryl:

    What are the 78% of American Jews who voted for the marxist gutter rat going to say about it now?

    For them, just seven little magic words. I used them on Novembre 4, I’m sure you all know those seven words, and can chant them with me now, if you want.

    I

    told

    you

    so,

    you

    fucking

    fools.

    The very same message for all the miscellaneous eurocatamites, whose turn will come soon enough.

  18. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun UNITED STATES

    LC Aggie Sith sez:

    @ Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur:
    Am I the only one that was certain by nightfall on Nov. 4 that the Isrealis were no longer giving us good intelligence and that they immediately started plans for the glassing over of Iran, which will almost certainly take place in just a few weeks
    No, you were not the only one. As for Israel, I think they will play along until Obama’s inagurated/crowned, before they hit Iran, hard. Bush has always been a strong supporter of Israel, and they will give him the courtesy of not striking until he can no longer be blamed. I’m pretty sure they will wait until they can test Obama. And I can’t wait…..

    Aggie,

    I agree with you. Bush has been a staunch ally of Israel from the very beginning. It would be a slap in the face to him for them to strike now. I, too, think they will wait. They’ve put it off this long…another two months won’t matter.

  19. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun UNITED STATES

    I have a liberal friend who says that we are all overreacting where Israel is concerned, and that not only do American JOOOOOOOS not give a flying fig about Israel, neither do most of the ones who live there.

    He lived there for a few months, so of course, as a liberal, he’s the “expert.”

    He also says that her firepower is way overrated. I don’t know one way or the other, but I sure hope he’s wrong.

    I’m waiting to read what Elcho has to say. I’d put more stock in HIS opinion.

  20. LC Fei Long Comment by LC Fei Long UNITED STATES

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    He also says that her firepower is way overrated. I don’t know one way or the other, but I sure hope he’s wrong.

    Fucking is! Wrong, that is.

  21. Unregistered Comment by mousseman SWITZERLAND

    @ LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun:

    Barack or “Barack Hussein” is just the embellishment of getting shafted.

    Just imagine the difference up your behind is between an elephant male implement, and a rhino (not RINO) pecker, whether “Hussein” is visible or not on the signature of that imaginery letter.

    In other words, this is irrelevant: The guy is a liberal do-gooder, an appeaser like Chamberlain, and a wimp, and will probably turn to theft on January 21, after he’s held all the inaugural speeches, and made sure all his Chicago ‘colleagues’ got a job in DC.

    And ontop if it he’s probably the biggest liar POTUS you ever voted into office, apart from being communist, and an empty suit.

  22. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    A Liberal Friend? No, I only have Liberal aquaitances.. they are expendable…. that is utter nonsense that Isreali’s living in Isreal dont really care about it…. just a downright stoopid thing to say… Well Skye… at least you know who to shoot first and TAKE THIER SHIT.

  23. Jon the Imperial Hunter Comment by Jon the Imperial Hunter

    “Obama intends to throw his support behind a 2002 Saudi peace initiative endorsed by the Arab League and backed by Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister and leader of the ruling Kadima party.”

    Oh, good… Tzipi the Pinhead has found a new home! In the Liberal Surrender Party of Israel.

    When Dear Zero backs Arab plans for Israel, what more does anyone need to know about where his sympathies and intentions ‘lie’?

    Cry The Beloved Country

    Theirs and ours.

  24. Unregistered Comment by doubleplusundead UNITED STATES

    So, when does the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers make Jimmuh Carter Ambassador to Israel?

  25. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

    He also says that her firepower is way overrated.

    How do you overrate a couple hundred nukes? To consider the ramifications of the Samson option would serve the Iranians well.

  26. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    I dont know which would be more insulting… backing the “arab” based “peace” plan or if he sent Jimmah Cahtah as an “Ambassador”. I dont think they’ll stand for either…..

  27. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

    Time for the….killer rabbit!!!!

  28. mayim Comment by mayim CANADA

    You’re forgetting something. The Israelis are incredibly, incredibly tough, with one of the finest militaries on Earth. If the “Palestinians” piss them off too much, it won’t MATTER how much land they’ve ceded: They’ll just take said land back! And, in the process, lots of “Palestinians” will die.

    Remember, Israel has been smaller than it is now before. And they still won every war that the Arabs started against them… and that was WITHOUT nukes and a modern military.

    So, either this concession will actually, somehow, manage to work and finally bring about peace– or, far more likely, the “Palestinians” will keep blowing themselves up, will overstep their boundaries, and then, BOOM!, Israel takes back all that land overnight.

    I wouldn’t worry. The IDF can take care of business quite well. Quite, QUITE well.

  29. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg UNITED STATES

    mayim sez:

    You’re forgetting something. The Israelis are incredibly, incredibly tough, with one of the finest militaries on Earth. If the “Palestinians” piss them off too much, it won’t MATTER how much land they’ve ceded: They’ll just take said land back! And, in the process, lots of “Palestinians” will die.
    Remember, Israel has been smaller than it is now before. And they still won every war that the Arabs started against them… and that was WITHOUT nukes and a modern military.
    So, either this concession will actually, somehow, manage to work and finally bring about peace– or, far more likely, the “Palestinians” will keep blowing themselves up, will overstep their boundaries, and then, BOOM!, Israel takes back all that land overnight.
    I wouldn’t worry. The IDF can take care of business quite well. Quite, QUITE well.

    Right on every account … EXCEPT … “either this concession will actually, somehow, manage to work and finally bring about peace.” There will never - NEVER - be any real or lasting peace in that area of the world until the prophecies in the Book of Revelation are fulfilled.

  30. mayim Comment by mayim CANADA

    BigDogg sez:

    There will never - NEVER - be any real or lasting peace in that area of the world until the prophecies in the Book of Revelation are fulfilled.

    I guess that means “never”!

    I still say that the Allies should have given us Jews Montana instead of Israel. Much nicer land and MUCH nicer neighbours.

    On a more pertinent note, like I said, no worries. My Israeli cousins can kick anybody’s arse; they don’t need the POTUS, the POTUS-elect, or anyone else to do anything for them. :) It doesn’t matter what Obama says or does; Israel will survive and thrive. If the past 60 years have taught ONE lesson about Israel, it’s that.

  31. Unregistered Comment by kermitthetoad UNITED STATES

    @ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:

    Here here. But in reality, they have GOD on their side. They don’t need us anyway. If it’s HIS will, theres nothing we can offer.

  32. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg UNITED STATES

    mayim sez:

    I guess that means “never”!
    I still say that the Allies should have given us Jews Montana instead of Israel. Much nicer land and MUCH nicer neighbours.
    On a more pertinent note, like I said, no worries. My Israeli cousins can kick anybody’s arse; they don’t need the POTUS, the POTUS-elect, or anyone else to do anything for them. It doesn’t matter what Obama says or does; Israel will survive and thrive. If the past 60 years have taught ONE lesson about Israel, it’s that.

    Actually, having studied the subject for nearly 10 years now, I would guess that it means that you will see it occur within your lifetime. You may choose to disbelieve in such things, but are you informed enough to know what events will signal that your disbelief is wrong?

  33. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson UNITED STATES

    I guess that ends the US alliance with Israel.

  34. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience UNITED STATES

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    mindy1 sez:
    I maybe naive, but I hope the peace plan works, if only because I am so sick of hearing people say it is about the occupation. I think Israel should be allowed to go back if the plan does not work.

    Mindy,
    Can you point to ONE time that it lasted? If not, why should it now? Attitudes aren’t any different there, from what I can tell.
    Where’s Elchonon? What’s he got to say about this? He’s gotta be thoroughly ticked right about now.

    I’m in miami shopping new guns…

    Mindy1,
    There are 275,000 israeli’s known as “settlers” myself included, this does not include israeli’s living in the golan, jerusalem and many other areas.

    Have you ever been to the west bank? I lived 6 months in the shithole called gaza, there were 18 jewish settlements.. a garden of eden paradise.

    Settlers are the most idealogical people you can possibay dream of.. think american pioneers.. they started out living in tents in the sand.. they put 250 official settlement and over 150 outposts (some as large as 50 families)

    Try what ? you want to destroy kiryat arba ? the kiryat arba bloc has 10,000 jews on LEGALY OWNED LAND!!!

    In fact, the muncipility of kiryat arba owns square miles that are either empty or lived on ilegally by arabs..

    Jews have lived in hebron for thousands oif years!!! I can show you the tree abraham lived under!! where he had his tent, where the convenant was between im and god.

    I live a 10 minute walk from the cave of machpela, resting place of adam, abraham, isaac, jacob. eve, sara, rebecca and leah…

    These scumbags of arab’s call it the ibrahami mosque! never minbd that herod built a HUGE structure there 2,000 years ago.

    King avid rued in Hebron for 7 years.. jesse and ruth are buried there, david’s general abner son of ner is buried there.

    The ancient jewish cemetary which the arabs vandalize continusly and destroyed in 1929 contains the burial places of over 10 VERY important jewish religious rabbi’s of the past 500 years.

    The ashkenazi burial ground also has very significant grave sites.

    There are over 20 property’s ilegally lived in by arabs that were owned by jews prior to the 1929 massacre.

    Ever heard of the 1929 massacre? arab mob’s butcherd 67 jews and maimed 69 others, raped dozens of women and pillaged jewish homes, houses of worship..

    You want us to give the land to THESE animals??????????

    Occupation my ass, what reason did they butcher 67 jews in 1929? the british were the ruling power then.

  35. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience UNITED STATES

    BigDogg sez:

    mayim sez:
    I guess that means “never”!
    I still say that the Allies should have given us Jews Montana instead of Israel. Much nicer land and MUCH nicer neighbours.
    On a more pertinent note, like I said, no worries. My Israeli cousins can kick anybody’s arse; they don’t need the POTUS, the POTUS-elect, or anyone else to do anything for them. It doesn’t matter what Obama says or does; Israel will survive and thrive. If the past 60 years have taught ONE lesson about Israel, it’s that.

    Actually, having studied the subject for nearly 10 years now, I would guess that it means that you will see it occur within your lifetime. You may choose to disbelieve in such things, but are you informed enough to know what events will signal that your disbelief is wrong?

    Israel will survive if they grow a pair…

    I have a cousin in Egoz golani (google it) it stands for anti gurrila and deep cover ops.. its an extreme commando unit, have a buddy in palsar golani.. its like delta forcce.

    I know dozens of guys that were in the toughest commando squads that would lay their lives down no questions asked.

    Paratrooper, golani, duvduvan (assasinatin squad) naval commando, airforce commando.. you name it..

    If israel lets the dog’s loose, the arabs have 48 hours tops till they are history.. My cousin is fluent in 6 weapons, has 5 parshoot jumps, can navigate any territory, survive 2 weeks min on his own in the wilderness.. kid can hit anything..

    What can the arabs do? what would they do if israel dropped 10,000 commando’s behind enemy lines ? guys expert at killing, blowing things up?

    Not to mention that there are tens of thousands of reservists that would fly in.. israel has the largest pool of fighter polits, they can fly 5000+ sorty’s per day.. they can have planes running 24 hours a day..

    Most israeli civillians would respond to the call…

    All settlement in the west bank have very sophisticated security forces that work with the army, I know there are at least 1,000 highly trained volunteer security guys that were not in the army yet are on par with a US army force.

    BTW the israeli army does not have anywhere NEAR all the weapons in the country!!

    Soldiers take so much shit home, its safe to say that there is 10% extra weapons, ammo, munitions etc., than what the army has..

    Heck, I personaly had 1,000 rounds in my jerusalem apartment that everyone took as sovuneers.

  36. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik UNITED STATES

    mayim sez:

    You’re forgetting something. The Israelis are incredibly, incredibly tough, with one of the finest militaries on Earth. If the “Palestinians” piss them off too much, it won’t MATTER how much land they’ve ceded: They’ll just take said land back! And, in the process, lots of “Palestinians” will die.
    Remember, Israel has been smaller than it is now before. And they still won every war that the Arabs started against them… and that was WITHOUT nukes and a modern military.
    So, either this concession will actually, somehow, manage to work and finally bring about peace– or, far more likely, the “Palestinians” will keep blowing themselves up, will overstep their boundaries, and then, BOOM!, Israel takes back all that land overnight.
    I wouldn’t worry. The IDF can take care of business quite well. Quite, QUITE well.

    In the past. yes. And most impressively. But not any more I fear. Still on paper yes. But paper balances of forces and bean counts do not mean squat for actual outcome, or only slightly more than squat. I hate to remind you of the Olmert’s recent Lebanese “triumph”, but the truth is that it did not go at all well for Israel. It appears to me that Israeli military success has had far too many failures and frustrations for 26 years now. It all seems to have started in 1982 when they got bogged down in the Beka’a Valley incursion - stalled at Beirut and eventually withdrew. Since the IDF seems unable to win anything more than a small skirmish.
    Don’t gimme that stuff about capacity, and coulda, shoulda, woulda.
    Yes, they coulda and shoulda. But coulda, shoulda, woulda don’t count nest to a didn’t.

    Some months back I was having an email discussion with LC Nicki on this very subject, and she is also very worried that the IDF seems to have “lost it”. I’d bet heavy that they could recover their old style and capability. But that would require addressing their real problems, not just improving their already overwhelming air-air kill ratios. Israel’s problem goes straight to the very top - to their senior political and military leadership, which no longer have a willingness eithr to take casualties, or even worse, to inflict them. I’m inclined to guess that the alliance with America has not been good for Israel. Their government has become badly infected with a case of the “Washington Shakes”.
    Right now, I’d really like to get the input from our two Imperial Amazons, Nicki and Princess Natasha.

    And I’d also like to recommend War Online, to those LCs who can either read a bit of Russian, or extract information from maps and numbers despite a curious language.

  37. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik UNITED STATES

    @ LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience:

    Thanks for your two replies. Before anyone gets a chance to misinterpret, I want to clarify that my post @36 is fundamentally in agreement with you. Israel still has the capacity, but does it have the will? At the level of the individual citizen and soldier, I am certain the will is there. But at the level of the politicians and senior commanders….? I hope I’ll be proven wrong about my worries.

  38. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg UNITED STATES

    @ LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience:

    I agree completely with the premise that Israel can take of itself … as I stated earlier on. My only disagreement with Mayim’s assertions was that there can be any real or lasting peace in that region. The IDF can and probably will kick the shit out of various Arab factions over the coming years, which will lead to a quiet, “peaceful” period of time during which the Arabs will regroup and re-arm. As far as I am concerned, however, the only way to lasting peace in that region has already been foretold in prophecies written thousands of years ago.

  39. Unregistered Comment by mindy1 UNITED STATES

    @ LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience:
    I get what you mean, I guess I just have some idealism in me which has yet to be knocked out by cynacism. I do agree, I think Israel can take care of itself, and I wih it well, but I am constantly frustrated by the lack of peace, and still wonder what causes it. I do believe Israel has the right to self defense, but my naive idealistic self still hopes that one day self defense will not be needed.

  40. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    mindy1 sez:

    but I am constantly frustrated by the lack of peace, and still wonder what causes it.

    Overall the answer is … its due to the Human Condition. In this particular cicumstance its primarily due to religious intolerance practiced by Islam. Pretty easy to understand and you can add to that, the area has been “contested” forever historically. If they (the Islamists) would stop being such intolerant assholes, there could probably be peace.

  41. Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob Comment by Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob UNITED STATES

    Since I have another tedious (yes, tedious, because I hate the M4) day at the range tomorrow, I will make it short. It appears to me that Israel is falling into the same trap the US has, when it comes to fighting the enemy. Both of these great countries are tying their mighty hands behind their backs. They give more and more concessions to the enemy… Why? Is the stupid rot of “equivalence” to blame?

    I’d like to think that Israel is just giving jihadnik swine enough rope to hang themselves, but that seems more and more like wishful and mistaken thinking on my part.

    It sickens me to see how meek and almost suicidal the most civilized countries in the world are becoming.

    LC Rurik, thank you for the awesome link. I will read the material tomorrow. Should be a lot of interesting information there.

  42. Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob Comment by Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob UNITED STATES

    mindy1 sez:

    I am constantly frustrated by the lack of peace, and still wonder what causes it. I

    Let me be crude and simplistic here, for a second… As long as there are a bunch of dirt-scratching retarded apes who value blowing themselves up en masse and slaughtering “infidels” , above a productive, civilized, HUMAN life, there will never be peace.

  43. LC & IB Tiberius Comment by LC & IB Tiberius AUSTRALIA

    I am constantly frustrated by the lack of peace, and still wonder what causes it.

    Even cruder and simpler - islam

  44. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи UNITED STATES

    tedious, because I hate the M4

    Aw…don’t hate!

    Perforate!

    There’s any number of us here who can help you shed your aversion to this fine battle implement.

  45. Terrapod Comment by Terrapod PERU

    The INSANE are now running the world and I don’t fancy the Alamo solution. Anyone have a sanity serum with airborne delivery mechanism? I’m in the market for it. Or two dozen nuclear missiles, theyll do in a pinch.

  46. Terrapod Comment by Terrapod PERU

    I have one particular thought about the timing of Israel’s raid on Iran. They need our tankers in order to air refuel over the Med as close to Iran as they can get without detection in order to be able to reach target and have enough fuel to return home. I don’t see them landing in Turkey when out of fuel after pulling off this stunt. Maybe they could land and refuel in Iraq but that too is unlikely.

    It is for this reason that I would see them making the raid on Jan. 17 or 18 latest, that way the order for the tankers can be given by the present admin at the very last moment. The bush admin can stonewall for 2 days then it does not matter any longer. Just my logic on this. We shall see if they pull it off.

  47. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    Terrapod sez:

    It is for this reason that I would see them making the raid on Jan. 17 or 18 latest, that way the order for the tankers can be given by the present admin at the very last moment.

    I agree. I’m sure Israel has contingency plans for any conceivable situation, but there’s no doubt that any attempt without our support, overtly or covertly, will be immensely more difficult and less likely to achieve worthwhile results.

    They know they’re not going to get such support from the pali-loving Obambi Administration, so they really have to pull it off before Jan. 20th if they’re to have any hope of lasting success.

  48. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    It is my uneducated perspective that the Isrealis need more than out tankers to really complete the objective. Optimally they “need” our stealth technology to “clear a corridor” of approach for strike aircraft. I beleive without it, they have to factor a certain number of casualties to the endeavor.

    It is my hope that this is Bush’s parting gift to the world. The region would be a helluva lot safer for the immediate future if the Irans drive to aquireing Nukes would be curtailed. They have said repeatedly that would like to see Isreal destroyed. The analaogy I use is that someone says repeatedly that they want to kick your ass…. how many time do they have to say it before you beleive they are going to try to kick your ass? Layer that with Irans ongoing attempt to de-stabilize the region and its ongoing support of Hamas and company, and there is NO reason to believe that Iran will not try to destroy Isreal. They are already doing it by proxy… why wouldnt they do it overtly? Especially if they think they have Russia & China’s support by way of OIL.

    As I said if Bush does this now.. we will ALL be safer, and he has an “out”. Let Obama practice his foreign affairs skills… its the gift that keeps on giving!

  49. Terrapod Comment by Terrapod PERU

    I think Israel’s strike on Syria, the one that no one wants to talk about, that destroyed a nuclear facility that did not purportedly exist (and now definitely does not exist), has already proven that the IAF can overcome Soviet era defense shields and overfly hostile territory.

    The problem with Iran has always been distance given the weight of the GBU or maybe MOP’s they will be carrying. I agree with LC T Troy that it would be a good parting gift to the world by the present administration. Israel and the U.S. have nothing to lose on this one and everything to fear if it is left unresolved into the next administration.

    The hail of rockets from Gaza into Israel since the 5th of November kind of makes clear what these pinhead a_holes think of “negotiation” and talk. The only thing that gives respite for a while is serious destruction of their infrastructure and manpower.

  50. Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob Comment by Princess Natasha, Resident Crazy Cat-Lady and Alcohol Snob UNITED STATES

    DдrтH бдкфи sez:

    tedious, because I hate the M4
    Aw…don’t hate!
    Perforate!
    There’s any number of us here who can help you shed your aversion to this fine battle implement.

    Actually, today, after sending numerous rounds downrange, and repeatedly getting tiny little tight shot groups right where I wanted them to be, I began to like it. I still think it’s too high-maintenance a weapon, and way too sensitive (hell, a mosquito landing on the barrel will knock the shot group all to hell), but I love the size and the weight of it. With the stock collapsed all the way, it feels like it was made for me.

  51. LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician Comment by LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician

    Personally I prefer this lovely combination. If I had the money, *SIGH*. This is rather attractive as well. This one is even more dreamy for it’s intended purpose!

  52. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    Me… I hopin for the standardization of 6.8 myself….. thatsa niiiice!

  53. Tsar Lazar Comment by Tsar Lazar UNITED STATES

    @ LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician:

    Alas, here in the PRC I can only DREAM of owning such a fine weapon (sigh).

    A question for those out there more knowledgable on the subject than myself:

    I recently purchased an aperture sight for “Stefan,” my Serbian M 59/66. What research I did suggested that aperture sights allowed for faster target aquisition, yet upon trial I found that I did better with the standard issue three-ball “night sight” that Stefan already possessed.

    Is it a matter of practice, or is it a matter of optical effect? I wear corrective glasses, but I wouldn’t think that would alter my ability to aquire and track.

  54. LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion UNITED STATES

    I think that the problem may be that you are bringing your eyes to your sights vs. sights to your eyes.

    Eyes on target at all time.. bring firearm up into your field of view (maintaining visual contact with your target) as the firearm enters vision aquire front site (blurring your target) and then align your rear site.. this may help. And yes, of course changing sights requires an adaption and practice.

  55. Unregistered Comment by Angie Smith UNITED STATES

    Israel knows that they will get little support from Obama and his band of illuminatis even though he chose Rahm as part of his cabinet. I think the raid will happen shortly before President Bush leaves office. The recent rockets into Israel shows you what the Palestinians think of negotiating with them. I hope when Israel shows their might that they take out most if not all of the infrastructure.