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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!
With heartfelt thanks for your service!! :em04:
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 PMUsing
What a great summation.
With deep and heartfelt gratitude to the Troops… the Best that have ever been.
Good to see you posting again, Sire. Hope you’re completely your healthy and irascible self!
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 PMUsing
Fine. We won. America is the greatest nation in the world. Victory is ours. I and all my ilk were wrong, we’re morons we admit it. So can the troops come home now?
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 PMUsing
No.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 PMUsing
You forgot the part about how you and your ilk should never again be in a position of power.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 PMUsing
Since when have liberals cared about the troops? Or is it a ploy to have them able to define the effort as a failure after leaving too soon?
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 PMUsing
yes you are morons, and you conducted yourselves in a most repulsive manner for the last 8 years…….
and yes, you were wrong….and your ilk’s refusal to acknowledge ANY success in this global war encouraged our enemies and got a lot of Americans killed that may not have died if we presented a united front against them.
So I thank you, the families of our honored dead thank you, and our troops thank you.
thank you
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 PMUsing
Jaybear….. :em01: :em01: :em01: :em99: Touche’….my friend.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 PMUsing
@ Interpretive Clog Dancer:
Why don’t you prove you’re sincere and humble in your new understanding of your complete lack of comprehension of, well, anything at all and…
Shut the fucking fuckity fucking fuck UP already???????
You and all your “ilk” should crawl under a rock, stick your thumbs in your mouths and suck it like the infants you are.
Fuckin’ airhead utopian appeaseniks will get us all killed.
L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter sez:
Too bad his “ilk” just elected one ‘their’ own. Too bad these children can’t recognize a racist, Chicago trained, thug supported Marxist demagogue when they worship one. They’ll be just as screwed (or more so) as the rest of us and will never be able to admit it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 PMUsing
Because you want them within spitting distance?
Get bent. :em72:
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 PMUsing
Added the link on my company’s site. And anyone who doesn’t care for my politics can
kiss my pasty white assgo buy from someone elseGod Bless Our Soldiers and THANK YOU for a job well done!
:em04:
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:42 AMUsing
thanks troops I wish you well :em04: :em04:
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 AMUsing
To my brothers and sisters in Iraq :em04:
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 AMUsing
Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:
whats the rush? lets get the troops back from Germany, Japan, ect. before we worry too much about Iraq.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 AMUsing
Victory? Cool! What did we win?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 AMUsing
@ Muzzy:
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 AMSee post #7 for your prize.
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We won a middle finger? I’m not sure that was worth it.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:09 AMUsing
Muzzy sez:
Listen, you little twinkletoes cocksucker, YOU didn’t win a fucking thing, and never will. It’s the men and women in uniform, and the leaders with a big enough set of balls to do the job that are the winners, not whining, puling pussies that run to mommy when things get too tough for ya.
Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:
No, and for reasons you and your “ilk” will never understand. It’s still a war out there, asswipe, and you and your shit for brains, communist dickheads fail to realize YOU’RE ONE OF THE TARGETS! The followers of the RoP(iss) don’t give a good G-ddam about your feel good, everyone needs a hug, buy the world a Coke bullshit. All they want is your head on a pike or sticking your ass in the air 5 times a day “praying” to the moon god, nothing more, nothing less.
And before you think about having your “target” closer to home, let me remind you, this ain’t the 60s/70s. Me and my service partners WILL kick the living shit out of you if you feel the need to spit on or curse us. One thing, you’ll never see it coming. See, Special Operations is what this whole thing is about…
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 AMUsing
Try sticking it up your nose and see if it works for you. (what’s this “we” crapola?)
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 AMUsing
@ Muzzy:
YOU didnt WIN Shit. As a matter of fact YOU did nothing but attemt to undermine the whole process and in doing so provided a morale comfort to an enemy that doesnt distingush you from US. Yet you live under the blanket of security that WE provide. You have been provided your LIFE… although your actions havent earned it. SO maybe you should be thankful for that and stop being a fucking smartass on this subject. When was the last time your subway blew the fuck up? When was the last time one of those cool double decker buses blew up? You know why they havent? Its because WE have been keeping THEM occupied elsewhere.. so YOU can walk the streets in relative security..
So maybe .. just maybe Mr. Fucking Smartass you should extend a bit of fucking gratitude to those that sacrificed so you can be a condescending FUCK.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 AMUsing
It’s not an unreasonable question. By what metrics do we measure victory in Iraq?
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 AMUsing
Muzzy sez:
if you mean yourself and your tapeworm, nothing. if you mean the United States and our allies, WE won the job of doing it again whenever WE are attacked.
same as in Germany, France, Italy and Japan. oh, and England. :em95:
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 AMUsing
Muzzy sez:
A stable democratic government in an area not noted for such.
A functioning economy, with a stable currency.
A country ruled by law, and not the whims of a despotic dictator.
Did I miss anything?
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 AMUsing
wait, now i understand your confusion Muzzy.
we dont use metrics. we use feet and yards. :em02:
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 AMUsing
Retired Spook, MSgt, USAF (Ret) sez:
i knew there was a reason we still had troops in England
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 AMUsing
I do believe the metrics were stated in the link, Muzzy. Remember … Reading Is Fundamental.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 AMUsing
TROY
Don’t expect these pussies to understand where you’re coming from. They have been effectively indoctrinated and neutered by the socialist ideologues they worship. If the enemy was in our streets, they would be the first to bring them a latte’ from Starbucks and serve it up on the white flag of surrender. Having their asses in the air 5 times a day excites them hoping they’ll get “lucky”. The only way they will begin to understand our way of thinking is to experience first hand the carnage sown by their masters. They don’t understand history and haven’t experienced horror to the extent their masters are capable of. They align themselves with the puling pussified pissants (libruls) out of fear of retribution. Cowardly and conniving cunts like these it is our duty to defend (until they show themselves for the traitors that they are) as they don’t have the ‘nads to defend themselves. Their condescension is rooted in their lack of understanding of simple basic tenants like patriotism, honor and duty. Who can blame the ignorant that have been maliciously indoctrinated? How can we expect gratitude from the ungrateful simply because they don’t know what they have to be grateful for. Muzzy and his ilk will be the first to come crawling (asses in the air in search of a new master) when all they take for granted has been taken from them. Until then, I intend to ignore their bleating the holier-than-thou mantra and accept them for what they are. Weak-minded cowards willing to appease any master for the reward of recognition and acceptance has a huge price to pay when one surrenders their freedom for the illusion of peace and comfort. True peace (as history has demonstrated time and time again) will be delivered by the point of the sword.
Try not to get all worked up by the skirt-clingers. Sure, they’re fun to ridicule, but they don’t even know when their being singled out as vapid little non-entities. A small part of me just feels sorry for them.
D’
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 AMUsing
A very, very small part, Fmwoods. Myself? I simply hold them in contempt; for in the social scheme of things, they prove worthless, contributing little but opinions, or indoctination, rather than action, regular lord of the flies types.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 AMUsing
Comment by Retired Spook, MSgt, USAF (Ret)
Cool. Now we’re getting somewhere. Quick follow up question: Is the integrity of Iraqi society such that, were we to leave tomorrow, these three things would persist in our absence?
L.C. Hilljohnny
Okay, that one get’s an LOL :em02:
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 AMUsing
Muzzy:
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 AMI seem to recall that you had a British flag next to your avatar in the past. Are you from England? Or was it Canada?
Just curious.
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Yeah, I’m from England. I’m not sure what happened to my little Union Jack emblem.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 AMUsing
I thought you were from England.
Hey, I’m with you, Muzzy.
I think we should pull out of Iraq right now. And after we pull out of there, we should pull out of Kuwait, Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, and of course, good ‘ole England.
Oh, and everywhere else we are defending freedom around the world.
Bring all the soldiers home! Close all of the bases worldwide! We’ll let you fen for yourselves.
And when those Russian tanks come rolling into your town, you can pick up the phone and call us for help.
I’m sure our future President will be happy to “talk” the enemy out of your backyard.
You Brits are such ungrateful asses. I wish we’d let the Germans destroy you in World War II.
It would have saved us all from listening to your constant complaining
By the way, Muzzy, my husband is British. Grew up on bases around the world, as his father was a British Diplomat.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 PMHe never wants to set foot in your country(no longer his) for as long as he lives.
And now I know why.
Using
Let’s take up a little collection to get Muzzy a binkie. The next troop I meet on the street and in unitorm will be tendered an invitation to partake of the Nectar of Pestalozi St.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 PMUsing
nerbygirl wrote:
Wouldn’t it be more sensible to decide these things on a case by case basis?
The Russians have Hovertanks?!? We’re doomed (in the most comically awesome way possible).
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 PMUsing
@ Muzzy:
Muzzy sez:
Right now, I’d say it’s a toss-up. Give it two years to take root, and I’d say yes. A lot depends on whether or not we can keep Iran and Syria out of the game. Given the incoming dog-and-pony show I’d say it’s probably an even-money bet. Which is about where I’d place the odds on these things persisting in England over the next two or three years,
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:32 PMUsing
LC Curmudgeon Imperial Bard
That would so not look good on me.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 PMUsing
D’oh. I read that as bikini.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 PMUsing
Muzzy-
I came back from my second tour in Iraq right as the surge was starting (Dec 06). At that time the Iraqi government and security troopies were starting to come online and get with the program. The surge bought them time to get themselves where they needed to be. To answer your question, YES. If we left tomorrow, Iraq would remain much the same as it is now. Gradually the Iraqi security forces would continue to ferret out the troublemakers and eventually there would be no bombings, et al. The longer we stay there, the more icing is put on the cake or the sharper the edge on the blade (take your pick) for the IZ gov and troops. I recomend that you start doing your own research, and start that at the Mudville Gazette. A great online resource for what is really happening in the IZ and the Stan.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 PMUsing
Um, Muzzy … have you ever heard of heavy lift air transports? They DO carry tanks …
Not to mention minor things like landing craft. Think Normandy and you get the idea.
Lastly, my own personal feeling is that England won’t fall to a conventional arms invasion. It will die from within, sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism. Afraid to stand up and actually expect civilized behavior from Muslims, amongst others.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 PMUsing
I’ll say this again, I believe that this declaration of “Victory” is a little premature. We are well on the way to winning this thing and it’s almost over, but not quite. I prefer to err on the side of caution, remembering the lessons of early winter 1944 when the Allies thought the war would be over by Christmas….
That said, I thank God that we have the best and brightest serving in our military. They have done an historic job in this fight, often going unrecognized and ignored by a propagandist media more interested in bringing down a president than giving these heroes the glory and praise they have so richly earned.
THEY are what make this nation great, not some bureaucrat or some jugeared president elect
THEY are the ones who have secured the right for people like muzzy, and icd, and code pink, and cindy sheehan, and murtha, and the multitudes of other gutter spores to spew the vile, obnoxious, terrorist encouraging filth that they have over the last 8 years.
THEY are the ones who define sacrifice and honor and commitment and duty. Theirs is a noble cause and one worth supporting.
muzzy sez:
not right now man, that’s why we’re negotiating for a gradual withdrawal over time…..jeez man…..use your friggin brain once in a while. Smug just doesn’t cut it in a grownup debate.
funny, that you mouthpieces of the seditious left hammered and harped for 5 years about how unjust and unwinnable this battle was, and yes Iraq is a battle…not the war. Well, now that it’s almost won you mouthpieces are reduced to snark and lame attempts at satire……I feel sorry for you
I sed in comment #7:
consider yourself included in that statement muzzy…..
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 PMUsing
Thanks to our men and women in the Armed Forces who won this victory. The tyrant Saddam has recieved justice at last.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 PMUsing
@ Muzzy:
They are affectionately referred to as the “MI-24 Hind” helicopter, heavily armored and armed troop carrier that the sight of would result in the immediate evacuation of your bowels. :em95:
D’
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:45 PMUsing
@ Muzzy @34:
Hey Shit-for-brains, :em72: The Russians do not have hover tanks, but they do have a sizable number of armed hovercraft, including some classes of which carry tanks as well as troops. They also have tank-equipped Naval Infantry brigades attached to both their Northern and Baltic Fleets, and about five parachute divisions, each of which is equipped with several hundred para-droppable armored infantry fighting vehicles mounting heavy cannons.
And by the way, somethng else you Brits have got that might affect the equation - the “chunnel”.
Actually, having traveled in Russia and in London, I think everyone might be somewhat marginally better off if the Russians were to occupy Formerly Great Britain. Your socialism component might actually decline, you might decide the Russian 13% flat tax is an improvement, and many of your politicians might benefit from a touch of thallium tea. And the Russians have some very interesting ideas about how to treat restive towel heads.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 PMUsing
Ah, Rurik. Your intelligence and reason is beyond reproach. Same to you, Patton, Fmwood…
Dummass Muzzy must think that the Russians don’t even know what an aircraft carrier is, let alone a ship.
Muzzy: I understand you live on an Island. Been there.
Performing for MY American troops, I might add.
I don’t think the Russians will have much trouble taking over your whiney little butts.
The Germans did it OH, so easily, and without MY country’s sacrifice of blood and honor, you’d be speaking German right now. So piss off, you loser.
Like the Roman Empire, your country is dissolving internally, and it’s just a matter of time before you will be one big Communist/and/or Muslim pigsty.
Good riddance.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 PMWe don’t need you.
Worthless Redcoats.
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LC&IB Vulcanrider sez:
…If it’s still a war out there, then how can we declare “victory”?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 PMUsing
Because Iraq is one theater in the GWoT. There are other theaters left to win.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Victory in Iraq does not mean the war on terrorism is over any more than Victory in Europe was the end of WW2. we still had to settle Japan then. we have a lot of things to settle now.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 PMUsing
Ahh. Okay, so by ‘out there’, it was meant ‘in the middle east’, not specifically ‘in Iraq’. That at least makes sense.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 PMUsing
@ mayim:
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:53 PMyeah, we still need to clean up Afganistan, Iran, Syria and France.
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Mayim:
Read a fucking history book, would you?
The USA is all over the world.
Protecting losers and winners. And YOU WHINERS.
If you really cared about our soldiers, you would send them a letter, thank them for their service, or visit a Veteran’s hospital.
Don’t talk like you care, SHOW that you care.
Iraq is won. My husband was there a week ago.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:56 PMYou and Muzzy are both worthless, brainwashed idiots.
Piss off to you too.
Using
And suck my dick, Muzzy and Mayim, because it’s certainly bigger than both of YOURS—combined, I would guess.
Idiots.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 PMUsing
Inerbygirl sez:
I care about ALL veterans, since they are all PEOPLE, and because so many of them have suffered so deeply. I have already shown that I care, in multiple ways, and with veterans of both wars that I consider to have been justified (WWII) and unjustified (Vietnam). I called both of my grandfathers this past Veterans’ Day. They both served in WWII, which was a just war, and I am very glad that they did their parts to defeat Hitler. And although I personally think the US involvement in Vietnam was a terrible mistake, I am horrified by the way Vietnam vets (many of whom were drafted and didn’t even choose to enter the war!) were spat upon and insulted upon their return to the US, and I have worked with several veterans (for free) to help them file their VA paperwork and obtain the care they need.
Despite– and in fact partially BECAUSE of– the fact that I am an ardent pacifist, I’ve helped write, edit, print, and file several hundred pages of papers to the VA on behalf of several different Vietnam veterans, spending dozens, if not hundreds, of hours of my time in the process. These guys participated in a war I think was a shameful waste of human lives (not to mention money and time). To you, they’re heroes; to me, they’re victims. We both want to help them, we just approach the task from two different angles. You’ll clap them on the back and tell them what a great job they did fighting off the commie slant-eyes and swap war stories with them, and I’ll try to get them medical benefits and keep them fed and housed and clothed. Am I an Evil Liburul™ for wanting to help these guys obtain VA bennies?
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 PMUsing
nerbygirl sez:
Ah, the Internet, where even women try to provoke people into penis-size contests.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 PMUsing
@ nerbygirl:
:em01: :em01: :em01: :em01:
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 PMUsing
This whole “Iraq as a battle thing” doesn’t make any sense to me. If Iraq and Afghanistan are just fronts in a greater war, where is the war taking place? It sounds like there isn’t a fight until we invade, otherwise there would be fronts all over the world, and one’s that we didn’t start. We don’t want to pick a fight with an entire region and increase the animosity. Maybe the people will take one or two fronts, but when we start talking about the entire place as a warzone people start to get antsy that America is picking off the Middle East, country by country, and turning them into American colonies, or dominions, or whatever. I know I am.
And for all of you keep comparing the American presence in Germany or Japan with that of the Iraqi one; there’s a clear cut difference, and its measured in combat deaths.
mayim sez:
You clearly haven’t been to high school recently. Balls have become more and more metaphorical. Gender lines continue to blur; Hemmingway was right!
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 PMUsing
Um, ICD .. as someone who has actually served (and lost an eye in the process) and knows a little bit of history, let me clue you in on a couple of things.
1. It isn’t any less war for us going into Iraq than it was for the US Army to be invading Germany from the west in 1945. Nor is it any less of an occupation between Germany then and Iraq now. The difference isn’t combat deaths, the difference is that in Iraq, you have documented, verifiable outside intervention to try and ramp up terrorist acts. You didn’t have that in Germany to any great degree.
2. Whether it’s 100, 4000, or 40000 soldiers dying in battle, it’s still a war.
3. Whether you’re getting all antsy about us occupying the ME is really irrelevant. Ponder this, it’s NOT in the world’s best interest to have a bunch of dictators sponsoring terrorist acts in the ME or anywhere else. That’s a fact.
I love seeing the shrieking left trying to make distinctions where there are none.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 PMUsing
@ mayim:
You are such a mass of contradictions that I find it very difficult to to credit anything you say.
You are a staunch defender of GLBT rights, yet defend the very religious principles (or the right thereto) that oppose them.
You’re a “staunch pacifist” who donates time and money to veterans of a war you find unjust.
You have “surgically reassigned” your sexual identity( a more painful, perverted and confounding contradiction I cannot imagine) so that you could “become” a “woman” to make “love” to women!
I admit to a blissful ignorance of such things, for which I’m grateful and to which I shall adhere.
I’m sure others here could provide a more extensive list.
What a magnificent singularity you are, a veritable wellspring of humanity and justice, the garde of the avant.
Or a just another lefty hypocrite.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 PMUsing
Also, one big difference between Germany 1945 and Iraq modern day is that in Iraq, you have people who aren’t just little kids, but adults who knew nothing but what Saddam told them. Their world view was shaped by him. That makes a subsequent peacekeeping operation / occupation / rebuilding that much harder, because with all the other tasks you have the problem of deprogramming some robots who were good little Saddamites. In Germany, you had at least the adults who knew what life was like before Hitler.
And before you start yammering about cost, how much is freedom worth?
The war is not just a war against a country. It’s a war against an ideology and against those who have perverted Islam into something truly insane. It will be a long war. A costly war. Many MORE will die before that war is over. But it’s a war we either fight, or lose. And if we lose, there WON’T be anyone to rescue us.
Any other dumbassed questions?
PS: For the record, knowing what I know now, even losing an eye, if I had to do it all over again I would serve again. Even to defend someone like you.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 PMUsing
I don’t see a huge contradiction /w/ Mayim. Mayim strikes me as almost Libertarian in some things. Anti religious, yes, but supporting the rights of others to believe as they please for starters, and roundly capping on those who commit terror against a given religion. I respect that.
Take away the whole sexual identity thing, Jon. Would you honestly have such an issue with Mayim?
And no, I am not here saying everything Mayim says and does is right. Not even implying it. I find it incomprehensible what it would be like to have a lopadicktomy (pardon my sarcasm at the use of the word) and all the physical and mental and emotional pain involved. It’s literally an alien landscape to me, and something I would never even consider doing - but I don’t judge someone on who they choose to sleep with as the be all and end all of my opinions.
Hell, I have contradictions. We all have them. Does that make us all hypocrites?
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 PMUsing
@ LC Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Subversive:
As to your previous comment, very well said, Sir. Very well indeed.
As to the most recent one, I have the reservations I expressed. I have rarely, if ever, met anyone who could contain and harmonize a life of such vast contradictions.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 PMUsing
And that’s your right to believe it, Jon. I’m not saying Mayim doesn’t have issues - that’s why you have to have psych counseling when you have a lopadicktomy because those go with the territory. But it’s a stretch to say Mayim is a lefty hypocrite.
Is it possible? Yes. But the evidence isn’t there from what I’ve seen.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 AMUsing
Jon the Imperial Hunter sez:
You see “contradictions” that are not there, simply because I fail to fit into your neat little stereotype of how a “lefty” is “supposed” to act. (See? I can fling scare-quotes too.)
And this is a contradiction…how? Yes, I am a staunch defender of GLBT rights, and will be until my dying breath. But that does not mean that people don’t have a right to practice whatever religion (or lack thereof) they want, of their own free will, and it certainly doesn’t give GLBT extremists the right to mail fake anthrax or email death threats to churches.
There is no contradiction here. None whatsoever.
Not money, but time, and my time IS worth money (just as yours is). And I have given a LOT of time to Vietnam vets. But again, this is no contradiction. The fact that I disagree with the war they participated in (some voluntarily, some involuntarily via the draft) DOES NOT make them any less human or any less deserving of medical care, or simply a sympathetic ear– sometimes even a hug, or just some kind words over a drink. These guys are HUMAN BEINGS, and the fact that a lot of people on my side of the political aisle spat in their face was WRONG. These guys (Vietnam vets) are HURTING and need healing– physically, financially, emotionally– and I have done my part, and hope to continue doing my part, to help them obtain the care they need, be it from the VA or other providers.
I can understand (if not agree with) your use of “scare quotes” elsewhere in the sentence that this particular quote comes from, but this is WAY out of line. Insinuating that I’m not really female, I can deal with. Insinuating that I don’t really know what love is… no, that’s not acceptable. I am just as capable of love as any other human being, regardless of my gender situation or sexual orientation. Insinuating that my love is not real love, but scare-quoted “”love”", is perhaps the most vile sort of insult of all.
Life is meaningless without love.
Incidentally, what my (or anyone’s) gender identity happens to be has nothing to do with which gender[s] I happen to be attracted to. Nobody “becomes” a woman because they want to pork a particular sex. They “become” a woman because that’s how they identify their mental gender as, regardless of who (if anyone!) they want to sleep with.
I will freely admit, although it shames me, to having committed acts of hypocricy. But one of my maxims is that “everyone is hypocritical sometimes”. We’re all human. We all make mistakes. We all manage, at some point or another, to do something we condemn in others, or to hold others to a standard that we ignore ourselves. I’ve made mistakes before, and I’m sorry for them, but of the things you’ve listed here, absolutely none have been contradictory or hypocritical.
You’re barking up the wrong tree, sirrah. I didn’t wade into this thread to start another off-topic flamewar. We’ve both said our peace; if you really want to continue this line of conversation, you’re welcome to email or IM me.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 AMUsing
LC Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Subversive sez:
You’ll have to explain that one extra slow for me, because I seem to recall reading about invasions by the Germans into territory that wasn’t theirs
But that was a different war. In Germany we were fighting a centralized government controlling a specific bloc of people. In Iraq we’re not really fighting the nation; we’re fighting certain aspects of a nation, and not just one nation either. That is why I don’t favor systematically deposing each leader in the Middle East as that will only increase apprehension on the part of the citizens of these countries.
But there are a lot of disparate groups fighting, and our soldiers are the only large, unified bloc, that you always know where to find. We’re fighting a different war, and our way often alienates the people that we’re “saving”. No matter how well U.S. soldiers behave they are still rolling in, taking over, and increasing tensions.
Me getting ansty isn’t that irrelevant given that I can vote. I’ll admit I didn’t ponder all that long on what you said, but I don’t think I was expected to. What I think is that we should have cared about that sort of thing before 9/11. I don’t believe that what is going on in the Middle East is a humanitarian effort. I think it’s revenge, and if we actually cared about terrorist attacks that didn’t happen on our soil we would have been a little more proactive about our Middle East policy, maybe to the point where we would have had actual diplomatic relations instead of invasion being our first choice.
I don’t shriek.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:09 AMUsing
You still raise irrelevancies, ICD. The fact is this: The war is happening, and unless someone makes a time machine and goes back to 09.10.01 and arrests the 19 hijackers, the war is still here, and we have to fight it.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:11 AMUsing
Did it make our fight against Hitler in WW II somehow different or less legitimate because one of the root causes was the Treaty of Versailles, which was seen even by the ALLIES after a few years as too punitive against Germany?
Did it make our fight against Japan less legitimate because of Britain’s colonial past in the Far East?
No. That’s because once a war is in progress the root causes become irrelevant at some stage.
Or do you pick and choose your root causes?
Get back to me when you invent a time machine and go back to 09.10.01 and arrest the 19 hijackers. Then we can discuss root causes and you can have some intellectual honesty on that argument, because then it WOULD be revenge or greed for us to be in the ME - specifically invading Iraq, Iran, etc.
Cripes .. don’t sit there and try to raise a thousand irrelevancies with me or go on about root causes which you can’t go back into the past and change. I’ve outdebated PolySci professors in the past to where all they could do is fall back on saying ‘FASCIST!’. Do you really think you can win this one?
November 24th, 2008 at 12:17 AMUsing
@ LC Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Subversive:
November 24th, 2008 at 12:23 AMDo you really think your ego could be any bigger? What I’m saying is that blind fighting is only aggravating the problems we’re facing, and by not addressing the root causes at all we’re not going to accomplish anything real.
Using
LOL …. this isn’t about my ego. I love it … Nowhere did I say anything about blind fighting or even suggest it. And when all else fails, you go on the personal attack about my supposed ego.
Again, get back to me and argue root causes after you’ve built that time machine. You might want to GOOGLE or WIKI some things. Space-time geometry, mutable vs. immutable timelines, the theory that says even if you could go back in time it would take more power output than the entire Universe, multiverses, and the good old paradox about going back in time, killing your grandfather in the process. How do you then go back in time to begin with? I can go on, but I’m sure even you can get the idea.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:29 AMUsing
For the record, I think we’re being far, far too inefficient in fighting this war. If I occupied the Oval Office and 9-11 happened, I’d have ordered one SLBM launch to detonate a half a dozen nukes at a few hundred thousand feet over selected areas. Not to even flatten one building, but to send a message: Turn over Bin Laden and his cronies (including Saddam just for good measure because he pissed me off with the previous acts of terror he DID do), and by the way Iran turn over your nuke material, or the next ones go off at ground level and will break things.
And I would press the button on Phase II if need be. What’s more evil and destructive in your eyes, ICD, the war we fight now or the scenario I just suggested?
November 24th, 2008 at 12:35 AMUsing
LC Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Subversive sez:
That’s actually a pretty brilliant plan, aside from the fact that doing anything that extreme would have a significant chance of igniting the next World War…
November 24th, 2008 at 12:49 AMUsing
That’s open to conjecture. A situation like that is largely governed by Intel estimates as to how the other side would respond. In my case, I’d make it absolutely, ugly clear that as long as others didn’t get involved then they had nothing to fear. Hell, I’d even invite observers from the Chinese and Russian militaries to observe the whole thing at a strategic level. I’d make it clear to them that provided they stayed out of it, they had nothing to fear, and I’d let them watch the whole thing. Of course, there’s always the small chance that Putin or whoeverthehelltheChinesedictatorthenwas (I have a brain fade on that) might decide to get stupid, but if their delegations were free to report what was going on, and their own tracking systems confirmed it, they’d not have a lot of reason to worry.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:05 AMUsing
LC Intellectual Conservative
I know what you mean, still got another 8 to 11 months left in Afganistan (AssCrackistan) depending on whether we are doing a 12 or 15 month deployment, we arent quite sure yet. However, one thing that needs to be done that I haven’t seen done yet is putting more pressure on Pakistan to stop the flow of the Taliban fighters coming across the border, either that or coming across the border and doing it for them. If that had been done from the start we might have been celabrating Victory in Afghanistan too. Also if the administration had put even half as much time and resources into this effort as they had put into Iraq we would be much closer to victory in Afghanistan today.
As a disclaimer, no I’m not trying to be a naysayer but can you honestly blame me for being frustrated?
November 24th, 2008 at 4:32 AMUsing
Also, why all the hostility directed towards Mayim and all the others? Don’t they have the right to thier opinion too? You keep yeling at them for simply voicing thier concerns, so if they arent allowed to speak thier minds then what am I fighting for? Although we soldiers are professionals and do our job to the fullest, we too would like to see the light at the end of the tunnel. We too would like to see a day when we don’t have to babysit every shithead little country that can’t or won’t take care of themselves. So why are you yelling at people like Mayim for simply asking when the hell can the troops come home, because there is no-one in the world more interested in the answer to that question than we are. Is that really such a bad thing? Are you now going to call me unpatriotic simply because I too would like to eventually see the end of this nightmare.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:46 AMUsing
Ask the 4 million Vietnamese boat people if the war was a terrible mistake.
Ask the survivors of the killing fields.
Ask the folks that “stayed” in the Hanoi Hilton.
The war was won in Vietnam, it was lost here.
By the same idelogical parasites that will take office on January 20.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:25 AMUsing
Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:
like when Iraq invaded Kuwait?
fear and trembling is good for people thinking about attacking us.
this is a good point ICD but tracking down all the loose groups that are the problem is difficult. we have to address the governments that allow them to flourish and support them.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:46 AMUsing
mayim sez:
The same way we can declare “braindead” when someone can still type drivel like this.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:04 AMUsing
The Southern Libertarian sez:
The problem is that many of the dissenters care not about the soldiers. I’m sure that there are plenty who hoped that we would outright lose the War on Terror. I’d have to say that most people in this country want to see an expeditious end to this action, but we also don’t want to pull the troops willy-nilly (as many of the lefties wanted to do years ago), only to see the country fall back into the hands of afanatical tyrant who wants nothing more than to see “innocent” American blood spilled (I put innocent in quotes because, in the radicals’ eyes, none of us are innocent).
There would be more respect for these people if they supported the troops after it was clear that their dissent was overridden. Instead, they have continued to undermine our fine combat forces with vile rhetoric and senseless charges of brutality. Sorry if that makes a few people irritated.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:21 AMUsing
Wow, I must have missed the end of the war. Does this mean you are ready to “cut and run”?
Or is it really resignation that come January 1st, with no status of troops agreement signed by the Iraqis, that our troops will be required to leave anyways?
Has anyone here paid even a scintilla of attention to the expiration of the UN mandate to have forces in Iraq? Have you looked at the desperate compromises that the Bush Administration has tried to make with the Iraqis to come to an agreement on the Status of Troops in Iraq?
If the agreement is signed, it would mean that all contractors would come under the laws of Iraq, and our troops would be under the command of the Iraqis. It would also mean that our troops could be prosecuted under Iraqi law.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:45 AMUsing
Big Sigh…….
ICD Why did we go into Iraq? And have you ever heard of “Yellowcake”
Are you an “expert” on 4th generational warfare? And if not how do you get the ability to determine if the Iraq war has been prosecuted correctly?
What other historic success’s has the US had in “nation building” and how long did it take? When , Where, How long?
I dont know of anyone that HAS EVER mentioned overthrowing ME governments piecemeal. And your reference to “colonial” ambitions reeks to high heaven of lefty anti-american BULLSHIT where these word “colonialism, colonial ambitions, etc. are bandied about on college campus. Everyone knows the days of colonialsim are OVER. Kinda learned that one from the Brits…seeing as we fought to free ourselves from colonialsim ourselves.. and then watched India, and the majority of nations in the rest of the current fucking free world fight.
4000 KIA ISNT DICK… especially spread out over 6 freaking years.. as a matter of fact its pretty damn good.
SL you dont think we were doing cross border ops hunting Bin Fuck Nugget immediatly after 9/11. I have a friend that just returned from damn near 6 yrs in the field. He is SF and was on a ODA and approximately 4 weeks after 9/11 he inserted on horseback in mufti and hunted where ever the hell he pleased. Now if your wondering why we didnt do it conventionaly, the answer to that is easy. Pakistan is still a soverign state, and we have to recognize that. Sure there are most definetly elements with in the Govt that support the tali’s and they have wild “tribal” areas, but you cannot justify conventional forces unless you have “proof” that nation is by policy supporting terrorism. Sadamn was supporting terrorism by his own admission. The Taliban were supporting terrorism by thier own admission. …. Not a week goes by lately without hearing about missle strikes inside pakistan….. I wonder how many of those strikes are supported by someone in the field laser designating the target and providing real time intelligence?…. Stay Safe TROOP.. and keep your fellow soldiers healthy. Let us know if you need any XMAS goodies. Im sure we could get something going.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:55 AMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
You mean like in Korea and Germany and everyother country where we maintain a “presence” under the understanding that the troops “could” be prosecuted under Iraqi law? Same goes for contractors working overseas….
As far as Iraqi’s “COMMANDING” our troops…. I know you’re are not stupid enough to believe that drivel for one moment. And you know better than that.
Cut & Run? I dont think so… even Bama has come to understand that’s not realistic…contrary to his promises to “cut & run” during his campaign (especially early on when he was courting the KOS kids).
November 24th, 2008 at 9:06 AMUsing
The Southern Libertarian sez:
No-one is entitled to any opinion except an informed one. Sophistry gets nowhere fast. :em69:
November 24th, 2008 at 9:38 AMUsing
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
Ah yes, the tired lie of Yellowcake.
Wake up. It was a FABRICATION, based on FABRICATED PAPERS. There isn’t a credible agency, government or even the Bush Administration still clinging to WMD or yellowcake.
We went into Iraq because of the misguided policies of a bull-headed president. He fell for the PNAC idea of taking over the Middle East one country at a time and turning it into a pro-American theme park. Go back and read the manifesto of PNAC and you will see the complete road map this administration attempted to follow, and the reasoning behind it.
It was naive, and we’ve seen what a mess it has become.
What you call a “victory” here is simply a result of lowered expectations. There is no “victory” — not when you compare it to what our initial goals were.
Bush wanted to have a 50 or 100 year presence in Iraq, complete with permanent bases, a billion dollar embassy and a military and political foothold in the region. He will wind up with none of that.
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
4000 for WHAT? What the fuck did we accomplish? We got rid of a despot who managed to hold his country together albeit brutally. The man he replaced and the man before that were the same thing. The moment we leave, another strongman will emerge and will pick up right where Saddam left off.
Maybe you should look at the history of the region — and I am not talking about the shiny happy versions. This shit has been going on for a lot longer than we’ve been a nation, and it is likely to continue long after we leave.
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
It is what the Iraqis are demanding, and Bush’s negotiators are currently going along with it. They are desperate to get an agreement signed before 12/31/2008 that they are hoping nobody notices the fine print once Bush leaves office.
I don’t think there will be an agreement signed. There are enough political groups in Iraq who are against ANY extension of foreign troops that they will put the kabash on any agreement.
November 24th, 2008 at 10:45 AMUsing
Oh, so Saddam had no yellowcake at all? Funny, it was all over the web a month ago that the last shipment of 550 TONS of it was just removed from Iraq.
550 TONS.
Whether or not it was the same yellowcake that it was reported that Saddam tried to buy from Niger isn’t relevant. Yellowcake, whether it comes from Niger, or the Man In The Moon, can still be used for some really nasty sh*t.
Oh, and here’s the link, from MSNBC … http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
Again, another irrelevancy as to where it came from.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:08 AMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
See above.. and seeing as it came from a “reliable” source.. it kinda calls it question the credility of the rest of your positions.. But before I do …. Was I addressing you to begin with? Or have you decided to adopt ICD? Or maybe you have other plans for him and this is a gesture of courtship? Dont get me wrong DJ .. Im not questioning your masculinity.. Its obvious you’de be the “man” in the relationship. :em99: But where was I? Oh yes…
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Three words…. TIN FOIL HAT… utter fucking nonsense are another three that come to mind..
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Given your own acknowledgment of the historical instability of the region… this is a bad thing why?
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Well what you define as a brutal person I define as a genocidal person. How many Kurds were killed by Saddam? How many dissidents disapeered? How many torture cells did we discover? He wasnt just brutal, brutal is a light adjective compared to what Saddam really was and it is a dishonest characterization. The thing we accomplished was re-focusing the terrorist assholes to a locale AWAY from our homeland. And once they were there.. far away for our loved ones.. we did the whole freaking world a favor… and we KILLED them. And we paid the price for the worlds security… with OUR blood AGAIN. Thats a pretty good accomplishment. The majority SHIA which were minimized and persecuted by Saddam now have a voice. Thats an accomplishment. We have also sent a message to others.. that we will FIGHT… thats an accomplishment. I can go on… but I think I’ve made my point.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Speculation… pure and simple… might happen.. then again.. all this exposure to freedom might just inhibit the reoccurence.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
You may want to check yourself a bit .. you aint the only fucker on the planet that has ever been “exposed” to these folks. Would it help you if I said in the 90’s I was immersed in thier “culture”. Would it help if I said I have been to the “region”? Would it help you if I said I did take the time to study thier “history”? The only thing I found wrong with your statment is that you are removing the effect of exposure. They could return to the old tribal leader thing that they are known for … but I doubt it will be easy.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Riiiiight…. seems to me this pact was approved in the Iraqi parliament last week. I could be wrong… but did you read any news last week? Matters not.. here’s a bit of reality for you.. the iraqi’s know and we know that they arent ready to do it on thier own yet. That they want the troops staying behind to be potentially prosecutable is no different than Korea & Germany, Same goes for contractors anywhere in the world, so I dont see the big deal in that. There is also a reality where normally anything a troop does in a foreign country, that host allows the US to “handle”. Now as for the word “desperate” I wouldnt quantify Bush as being desperate for anything… personally I think push comes to shove he dont give a shit. Sure he would like to see all the T’s crossed and the I’s dotted, but I doubt he’s desperate.
In short I call it a success..not a defeat… and it is just one chapter in a war that can either be fought on thier terms or ours….. I prefer the advatage of our terms….
November 24th, 2008 at 12:18 PMUsing
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
He WAS a genocidal person. But there are plenty of genocidal motherfuckers in charge of tinpot dictatorships all over the world; if we’re going after Saddam, why don’t we go into, say, sub-Saharan Africa and clean up the joint?
Nobody’s saying Saddam wasn’t an evil murderous dictator. But why did we choose that particular evil murderous dictator to take out, and not all the others?
Why is it that whenever one of you guys wants to insult another guy, you insinuate that he’s gay? It’s not an insult. Just saying…
LC Fei Long sez:
I certainly don’t object to learning! Just be prepared for me to attempt to find citations for any or all claims made.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:27 PMUsing
@ LC Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Subversive:
Can’t let the facts get in the way to a good spin-job.
@ DJ Allyn, ITW:
Any lives lost in an honorable endeavor is still a tragedy to the country and families. The consequences were realized by the powers that be to include most of the Librul congress sans yomama. Working Bush into the rant is becoming old hat. Granted, the sitting Commander-in-chief is ultimately responsible for any “fine print” they agree with, but I have a feeling that you nor I have been made privy to the nuances of government building in the ME. As far as 4000 lives are concerned, a strategic air-base or two may (and probably will) have the benefit of saving ten-fold as many lives in the very near future. I am not a military strategist but yet I see the advantage of maintaining a presence in post-war zones as well as the tinderbox that exists in the ME.
When That One is at the helm, I assure you, sir, it will not be a cruise ship serving mai-tais and caviar. How will you all justify his decisions to protect and defend when the N. Korean or Iranian feces hits the oscillator? Will different standards apply or will you drudge up the old and severely worn mantra you so giddily smeared Bush with?
No one bothers to mention that more Americans are dying in American cities by American citizens as a result of the librul policies put in place to control the masses and keep them dependent. What has been accomplished by these deaths?
D’
November 24th, 2008 at 12:30 PMUsing
What amazes me is that some people here seem to think that theyre entitled to their own version of the facts and have them be true. You can have you own OPINION yes, but not your own facts.
Bringing up a hundred irrelevancies about root causes or where yellowcake came from doesn’t change the facts as they are here and now.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:41 PMUsing
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
I have three words also:
GO. READ. IT.
It is fucking amazing how you can sit there, thumb up your ass, and NOT know what PNAC was advocating all the way back to 1992. In 1997, they put together their plan for regime change throughout the entire Middle East, and it is very interesting to see who the people who signed off on that document, Rebuilding America’s Defenses.
Go ahead, read the whole thing. Especially the part where it says there has to be a “Pearl Harbor” event to get things started.
Utter fucking nonsense? Yes it was.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:51 PMUsing
DJ, you’re spouting yet another irrelevancy. You’re taking a position paper someone wrote over a decade ago and spinning a giant conspiracy theory around it.
Let’s focus with dealing with the world as it is, and not a hundred so called root causes which can’t be changed because we can’t go back into the past and undo your root causes, shall we?
If this was about controlling oil, all we had to do was occupy Kuwait. Hell, the LAPD could have done that.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:56 PMUsing
As a GLOR, I wanna know where I can buy tickets for said contest. :em02:
November 24th, 2008 at 5:08 PMUsing
anonymous hourly worker sez:
I would ask Mr(s) Garrison … er … Mayim.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:42 PMUsing
I get a chuckle out of those who want us to believe that they would be totally onboard if only the USA were to engage in a “just war”
November 24th, 2008 at 5:44 PMThere is not a doubt in my military mind that if the United States was, without warning, “suddenly and deliberately attacked” by say, China, the left would soon enough default or lapse in to the same paltering and tired nonsense we hear about Iraq. We would be scolded on how we “pushed China in to a corner” or “look what we did to them with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 ” etc, ad nauseum. So lefties, spare us the empty talk of being 100% for a just war, because, given your post-9/11 behavior, if it involves the USA, you no longer believe such a war exists.
With shaking heads, they will put it thusly: We had it coming. The day of reckoning has finally arrived. What did we expect.
Using
BigDogg sez:
I’m more into chicks, honestly.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:45 PMUsing
YGBSM sez:
I love how you presume to put words in my mouth. After 9/11, I wanted us to hunt down Osama bin Laden, try him, and execute him. I still do.
What I DID NOT (and do not) want was for us to use 9/11 as an excuse to attack countries which were not responsible for the horrors if 9/11– which, of course, is what we’ve done.
The majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi. Why didn’t we declare war on Saudi Arabia? Oh, right…. Because we like the Saudis. :em98:
Anyways. We were attacked by Al-Qaeda, who were operating out of Afghanistan. So we made an effort to find the head of Al-Qaeda (i.e.: bin Laden himself), and failed. We declared on Afghanistan, which– okay– makes sense; they were harbouring the guys who attacked us. Then we attacked Iraq. WTF? Now we want to attack Iran and possibly Pakistan, Syria, etc…. double WTF?
I’m all for us attacking those who attacked us on 9/11– not the entire bloody Middle East.
November 24th, 2008 at 5:53 PMUsing
You’ll need an Ouija board to find him and an exorcist (or a Ghostbuster) to execute him.
Wrong (and a red herring BTW). Taking out Saddam should have happened in 1991. It should have happened when Saddam routinely violated the terms of the cease-fire all throughout the nineties. Since daddy Bush and Bubba didn’t have the stones to do the right thing it fell to Dubya to do it. There’s plenty of room for debate on the planning and execution of the mission but there’s no denying that it needed to be done.
Wrong. The Saudi government did not order or sanction the attacks of 9/11. The terrorists did this on their own on behalf of their false god allah and were aided by bin laden and his pack of goat shaggers.
Who said that?
Same thing.
November 24th, 2008 at 6:25 PMUsing
mayim sez:
And that’s why we’ll stay away from Israel. :em93:
November 24th, 2008 at 7:31 PMUsing
obama did during the campaign against hillary.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:56 PMUsing
Oh shit! I forgot about that.
So mayim, who was that you voted for President? :em02:
November 24th, 2008 at 8:11 PMUsing
I want to attack Iran :em96: Those fucks have just as many terrorist attacks they are responsible for as Al-Q. Shit they continue to sponser terrorism every day. Can you say Hamas? Revoltionary Guard? The Mahdi Army? Threats to destroy Isreal? Threats against shipping in the Persian Gulf. Yeah they definetly need to be next. But that wont be a land war except maybe the oil distribution point in the gulf. Once Iran has been “addressed” it wont be necessary to do anything to Syria… those puta’s will calm down real quick. Unfortunatly Iran has got to go and go soon.
@ DJ Allyn, ITW:
:em01: :em01: Uh huh.. yep .. 9/11 was a conspiracy to justify attacking Iraq. Ok, like I said .. tin foil hat…. based upon a paper written when? In 93 -94? So I guess that means that everything Clinton did (or did not do) was geared toward providing the proper environment when Bush got into Power? See some would argue that if Billiy Bob had taken appropiate measures before shit got out of hand… we would have never had a 9/11. And because he didnt I can only believe that he was in on it too. Like I said .. tin foil hat….is yours shaped in a beret?
November 24th, 2008 at 9:12 PMUsing
@ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:
Troy…. Nice! Love to see DJ take it
just aboveon the chin!Just because DJ FuckwITW can write and obfuscate really well doesn’t mean he’s all that
smartrightinformedgrounded in realitydeeply insightfulor even halfway honest. He’s just another sold out lefty ideologue, grasping at whatever floats by, desperate to keep his loser world view intact.For all his computer gee-whiz, he’s forgotten the Prime Directive:
G.I.G.O.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:51 PMUsing
Ah DJ .. Im good with DJ…. he comes in fixes our shit, throws us a bone to chew on everyonce in awhile… I dont know if he actually believes some of the more outrageous stuff or not, or if he just writes to keep us occupied. No matter…. he the best “alternative” voice we have…
November 25th, 2008 at 12:16 AMUsing
@ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:
Well, the right hand giveth and the ‘left’ hand taketh away. Literally.
Too bad the “alternative voice” is that of the Enemy. I’m way past caring about maintaining appearances of ‘fair and balanced’. There is no reasoning with these people. They don’t care for anything other than proving their superiority and subjecting us all to their fraudulent Utopian wet dream. Most of them are too
idealisticignorant to realize how they’re being used.Pretending that compromise with the left is possible is how we got to the present desolate state of affairs. Every offer of same results in the hand extended in sincerity coming back a bloody stump. They’ve been taking every inch we’ve given for 70 years and more and making a mile of it.
This is a fight to the finish, one more we have to win for the sake of all mankind.
If DJ is just playing, sparring, with us, which I doubt, then he is providing us with a serious object lesson.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:43 AMUsing
Simple scenario for lefties as regards Iraq.
Just imagine it’s the 1920’s and Saddam is the notorious kingpin of a ruthless gang of murdering bootleggers. Boss Saddam is once again threatening to do what he is well known for - wreaking havoc on any who get in his way. His neighbors know he means what he says - they were brutally overtaken 10 years before. But this time Boss Saddam has threatened even far off neighbors with destruction and boasts he has the muscle to do it. see? The Feds, with President Bush as Eliot Ness, having suffered a recent bloody attack upon it’s citizenery caused by Al “Scarface” Qaeda, of Boss Saddam’s ilk, can’t risk another. The “Boss” has to be nipped in the bud. And to make it even more worthwhile, Saddam’s gang is believed to have stockpiled tons of his well known poisonous booze and enough weaponry to make his threats a reality
But there are arguments pro and con. He’s a proven deadly threat and let’s not wait for him to act again. On the other hand, with Saddam gone, rival gangs will stand up and a nasty turf war might ensue.
Indicators and snitches show that Boss Saddam has what he brags to unleash upon the populace of his antagonist, Ness. It’s decided - The greater risk is in not acting and so the signal is go.
After a bloody battle, Boss Saddam is in the joint, his stooges and thugs dead or jailed. His gang is finished. No more will it terrorize and threaten his turf or the neighbors. Those he harmed or oppressed, rejoice. Only after he is in the hoosegow is it discovered that our snitches weren’t as accurate as we believed. Close inspection reveals he didn’t have much poisonous booze left. And, his rival gangs do in fact launch a bloody turf war. Despite this, Ness reminds people that Boss Saddam was always a proven threat and given what had happened with Al “Scarface” Qaeda, the greater risk was in not taking him out.
As the Feds war with the rival gangs, Eliot Ness is called a monster and denounced as having no reason to justify invading a notorious gangsters turf.
But seeing this is the 1920’s, armies of goons with strikebreaker training pummel the Ness detractors. Thus having had sense knocked in to their thick skulls, they realize the Feds, through sacrifice, have beaten the rival gangs and that the citizenery they protect have slept safe since the demise of Boss Saddam and his cutthroats.
November 25th, 2008 at 1:21 AMUsing
@ YGBSM: Dammers. You should make thay into a movie! :em93:
mayim sez:
Easy.. you goof.. cause the “sub-saharan” africans were’t sponsering Suicide Bombers by paying off the families of the bombers after they did there dispicable deed. Nor were they in possesion of WMD materials, nor are they actively telling the UN to fuckoff at every opportunity, nor did we have any interest or investment (GW1) to take into consideration.
mayim sez:
There you go again (a Bushism) .. Of course its an insult (or at least in this context a light derogatory jab) to call someone something they are not. If I called you or insinuated that you were a overly masculine white trash redneck, would you take it into context that its insulting? Good Lord Mayim…. stop with the obtuse shite already. Waste of time and bandwidth.
November 25th, 2008 at 10:07 AMUsing
“There you go again….”
A Reaganism, lest we confuse the two. Perish the thought.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:26 PMUsing
ARRRRG You are right Jon!.. and I have commited yet another deadly SIN…. I must go now to flagrate myself upon the alter of The Great One and beg forgiveness… :em41:
November 25th, 2008 at 7:45 PMUsing
@ LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion:
Hey Troy, not to worry…
Just down a (couple ‘r three of the) Celestial Cup of the Great Fermentation, say 10 or so Hail! Ronaldus Maximus’s and all will be well!!
I’ll be doin’ the same over here!
P.S. Annnd… A Palinism: “Well’ there you go again, Joe!” to Biden during their debate!!
Jon
November 25th, 2008 at 10:17 PMUsing