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Will the Obamessiah Make it All Go Away? (UPDATED)
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Democrat Culture of Corruption, The Obamessiah11:19 AM
LC & IB Steveegg seems to think so:
I’m under no illusions that Blagojevich will either be convicted or not pardoned. Fitzgerald has but 40 days to get a conviction before he is no longer US Attorney. Further, Blagojevich and Obama share a friend convicted on public corruption charges, Tony Rezko, and Obama will, as of January 20, have the power to make all of Blagojevich’s federal charges disappear.
Hmmm… I am under no illusions that the Obamessiah would dearly love to do just that, and I am also under no illusions that somewhere deep inside that megalomaniacal, narcissistic, jug-eared skull of his a tiny voice is telling him that He, the Anointed One, should go right ahead and do so, but…
On the other hand. The only thing larger than the Obamessiah’s ego is his lust and craving for power and his pathetic desire to be seen as Mr. Hope’n'Change, He Who Commands the Oceans to Recede and Who Makes the World Safe for Unicorns, Puppies, Children and Other Living Things.
Particularly so right now when he’s caught like a deer in the headlights, finally realizing that he’s not playing for the next job anymore, that this one’s for keeps and that the golden days of having no record and voting “present” to avoid getting one are well and truly over.
I’m not so sure that he’s all that interested to start The Age of the Obamessiah by absolving the sins of somebody who, by the looks of it and his previous history, is as guilty as Hell and wouldn’t leave anybody weeping if he were to be marched off to Club Fed for a goodly while.
He’s already catching plenty of flak for his incoming administration being made up almost entirely of old Clinton retreads, which doesn’t play too well with his “CHANGE!” mantra. I’m not sure that he wants to be known as the guy whose first act in office was freeing a scumbag that everybody knew was guilty of scumbaggery. It’s all about PR, perception and image, you know. Had this happened a couple of years into his administration it would have been different.
Add to that his complete absence of hesitation when it comes to throwing “troublesome” associates and life-long friends under the bus for personal gain AND the fact that Blabbervich is a low-level (compared to the office that the Obamessiah is now set to occupy) crook with nothing to offer him anymore and I think that it’s a very real possibility that the Anointed Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers and Personal Expediency will take one look at “Honest Rod” and think “hey, he’d make a perfect inaugural sacrifice upon the altar of “CHANGE, HOPE AND ACCOUNTABILITY!”
Unless Blabbervich has some really juicy dirt on the Chosen One, of course, which is also a possibility.
UPDATE: Re: the possible involvement of the Obamessiah in Blabbervich’s “pay to play” schemes, LC & IB Steveegg has a bunch of updates, not all having to do with that. Click the original link in the above to read them.
Returning to that particular subject, however, it looks like the Jug-Eared Prevaricator once again stepped in it when he declared, upon hearing of his buddy Rod’s predicament, that “he’d had no contact with the governor’s office.” Except, according to his other henchman, “Astroturf” Axelrod, he very much had been in contact with Blabbersandwich, particularly about who would get to take over the Anointed One’s Senate seat.
Ho-HUM. Another day, another blatant, criminal lie from the Anointed Jug-Eared Marxist Freak, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet. It’s going to be a fun four fucking years trying to keep up with every single lie that serial prevaricator blows out his filthy pie hole.
He really is making Billy Blowjob Klintoon look like the very epitome of “honest” by comparison.
Is it at all possible for that obscenely freakish looking abortion of an unkind Mother Nature to complete a sentence without perjuring himself?
I’m beginning to doubt it.
I just blogged about this too. I’m thinking Blago was never as much of an insider as he thought he was, so I’m thinking that bastage will be spending some time getting his anus violated in prison.
I just hope his new prison boyfriend is hung like a rhino.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:24 AMUsing
Anyone got pics of Jackofavitch being frog-marched out of the Governor’s Mansion?
December 9th, 2008 at 11:27 AMUsing
LC Nicki, the resident Misanthropic Bitch sez:
*spit take* Thank you for that image … now I have to clean the diet Coke from my monitor.
I don’t think BO will let Blago off when he starts his administration … but he will pardon him somewhere down the road.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:27 AMUsing
BigDogg @:
December 9th, 2008 at 11:30 AMAt your service, sir! :em03:
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Damn…that bus is the size of the Space Shuttle by now.
Things are a little shaky since his appointments of Clintonistas. I seriously doubt he will do a favor of this magnitude for a “friend”.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:33 AMUsing
Keeping the current Sec. of Defense, extending the Bush Tax cuts (something Bush DEFINITELY did right except that they should have been deeper and permanent to begin with), quitting the “immediate withdrawal” rhetoric, and saying he’s not going to be a gun-grabber (this last one gets a resounding YEAH RIGHT) are all indications that reality may finally be setting in.
Let’s see what he does with it - after he’s finished saving his own ass in court.
RWR
December 9th, 2008 at 11:41 AMhttp://www.rightwingrocker.com
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Well we could have had it.
We could have had McCain/Palin, two decent and honorable candidates leading this nation
We could have had some honest government.
We could have had a forthright, intelligent and historical choice for VP and groom her for the Presidency.
We picked this corrupt asshole
We picked him because people believed his bleating mantra of “Change”
We are now going to see this so-called “Change” turn into “4 more years of a Klinton administration”
While those of us who didn’t vote for this moron should not be punished, WE no doubt are going to be subjected to another parade of slimy characters for 4 more years.
Thank you Democrats.
Thank you African-American community who put race above character
Thank you main stream media for being shills for the left.
Thank you for ruining our country.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:44 AMUsing
dasbow @ 2:
He was arrested in handcuffs at his home in Chicago in the Ravenswood neighborhood, per Fitzgerald
LC Nicki, the resident Misanthropic Bitch @:
Girl, I SO love you! Your hot boyfriend notwithstanding. But my secret hope is that he is cellmates with ex-Illinois governor George Ryan and if that is the case, your wish will probably not come true — but who knows?
December 9th, 2008 at 11:48 AMUsing
This is the kind of politics the Obami has known all his Political life. Loyalty is not part of it, that is why he can through people under the bus without breaking stride. The timing is right for Obami to say “See I am sending the corrupt to prison, the very change I promised during the campaign.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:55 AMUsing
John McCain? Decent and honorable?
Spare me, please.
This was the biggest Rock v. Hard Place election in my lifetime, bar none.
You could vote for Obama and be stuck with a socialist pig, vote for McCain and be stuck with a socialist pig who wants conservatives to like him, or you could stand your ground and vote for someone actually worthy of the job and be guaranteed to be stuck with one of the aforementioned socialist pigs anyway.
This will continue until people stop voting for Republicans and Democrats.
RWR
December 9th, 2008 at 11:56 AMhttp://www.rightwingrocker.com
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dasbow sez:
Wish we did, but the FBI gave him a 6 am courtesy call there wouldn’t be a frog-march caught by the cameras (or by the sleeping children). Besides, the march was out of his Chicago home, not the governor’s official residence in Springfield.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:58 AMUsing
Well, a Merry Fitzmas indeed. No _way_ is Obama going to pull Fitz out of that office.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:00 PMUsing
I suppose I should answer the “how”. I doubt it will get to the point of Blagojevich needing a pardon, but if it does come to that, it will happen. The fact that Fitzgerald included the shakedown of a childrens hospital as part of count #1 makes it likely that, if necessary, it will happen later rather than sooner (say, the third quarter of 2011).
However, a pardon isn’t the only way that Obama could influence this. It has become customary for the entire US Attorney corps to be replaced by an incoming administration. I would expect the new US Attorney for Northern Illinois to “quietly” seek the dismissal of charges. Whether Blagojevich would have any legitimate juicy dirt on Obama or not, he strikes me as the type to try to use that to try to strike a deal. Obama can’t risk that dirt coming out, whether or not it is real.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:23 PMUsing
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December 9th, 2008 at 12:24 PMUsing
Do they have a permanent office for Criminal Prosecutor of the Governor yet? They should just fund and staff one; it’ll save them the cost of training every four years.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:31 PMUsing
Obviously coming from someone who doesn’t understand how the criminal justice system works. Pending cases that come to the end of a Prosecutor’s term don’t suddenly go away, just as it isn’t always a given that a prosecutor goes away at the end of a presidential term.
Once a case is presented to a US Attorney’s office, it is still active no matter who the US Attorney for that district is.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that Obama keeps Fitzgerald right where he is at. I also don’t see Obama pardoning or commuting a sentence.
LC Nicki, the resident Misanthropic Bitch sez:
Wow. You must think prison is like something you see on OZ or Prison Break.
If Blagojevich ends up in federal prison (and he probably will), he will most likely serve his time in a camp, not an actual prison like you see in the movies. It will be more like a retreat.
I hate to break your image of these kinds of things, but that is the reality. Blagojevich will be doing “country-club time”.
LC Lord Elrond sez:
:em01:
Oh stop it, NOW you are being ridiculous. :em99:
No, thank YOU and the rest of you who voted for our CURRENT bungler-in-chief. No matter how much you want to try and pin the current economic DISASTER on Obama and Democrats in general, this entire mess is properly at the feet of this current administration. HE is the one who has presided over the worst economic disaster since the first Great Republican Depression (following the model that actually caused the first one)
No, thank YOU.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:43 PMUsing
“He’s already catching plenty of flak for his incoming administration being made up almost entirely of old Clinton retreads”
The best part ^^^^^ I got a good laugh from that.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:45 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Which is fair enough a reason to criticise him for, of course. Then again, weren’t plenty of Bush II’s top guys Reagan, Bush I, and even Nixon retreads?
LC Lord Elrond sez:
Fixed that for you. Well, two out of three ain’t bad… Unfortunately, it was the wrong two.
Misha is an intelligent conservative. Palin… no.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:55 PMUsing
Since this IS Illinois, home to the premier Democrat Machine, the chances of Rod doing ANY time at all are slim. Why? A jury must convict him and juries have a nasty way of getting ‘bought’.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:16 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW @:
Let’s make a bet on whether Blago gets tried. How about double or nothing on whether he gets pardoned or otherwise has his sentence commuted should he get convicted?
December 9th, 2008 at 1:17 PMUsing
LC Nicki, the resident Misanthropic Bitch @:
I just hope his new prison boyfirend is a RINO.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:31 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Right. And now you are the expert on intelligent conservatives. Got it. You really do like fighting with the Rotts, don’t you?
December 9th, 2008 at 1:32 PMUsing
So Dave, tell me…
Pete Rose’s crime was far less than Blago’s, yet he got sent to the federal pen at Marion. So because Blago is a governor, he should get treated better?
Lock the bum up at Marion, with Gotti, Noriega, and the rest of the dregs. He deserves nothing less.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:34 PMUsing
And if he DOES by chance get sent to Marion, it’s hardly a country club.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:36 PMUsing
DJ .. IS RIGHT about the “incarceration setting” …. Blowjobavich will not be seeing the inside of Marion nor any true “prison”, and if he did he wouldnt be in Gen Pop. He will “country club” his time. Not that I agree with it .. but thats the reality. In my opinion if convicted he will have been guilty of one of the most “dangerous” crimes to society… corrupt government is a breech of duty that is TREASON. When will we get that? It attacks the very basis for an “enlightened” society no matter which side of the aisle the dumbass comes from. As I said in another post… HANG EM… if found guilty. If the penalty was that severe it would probably act as a deterrent.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:58 PMUsing
It’s always a good day when a corrupt member of government gets hauled off in irons.
Now if only they’d do the same for all the other corrupt governors, mayors, judges, and congresscritters….
We can only hope, right?
December 9th, 2008 at 2:05 PMUsing
Dj says- Wow. You must think prison is like something you see on OZ or Prison Break.
Talk to anyone who has worked as a prison guard. Their tales of inmates going through boxes of gauze due to lacerated rectums from gang rapes would enlighten you.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:05 PMUsing
As much as I like your idea, Blago will unfortunately spend his time at Club Fed rather than in GenPop.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:14 PMUsing
mayim @:
I’ve been trying very hard to ignore the pseudo-naivety spewing from your keyboard for awhile now. I choose to live a life of solitude so as not to be exposed to “Teh Stoopid” as I have such little tolerance to Librul Idiocy. I’ve been paging down to lessen my exposure when you comment (as per your suggestion some treads back). I’ve been trying hard not to say something that may hurt your sensitive ego but today’s news has brought me out of my shell and again there may be a glimmer of justice on the horizon.
Mayim what could you possibly know about the intelligence of Sarah Palin????? Your source, if any, is the Mainstream Idiots’ rendition of the Three Stooges Goes to Washington. Give it a rest, or at least spend some of the time you use commenting doing some actual research before spewing nonsensical bullshit. I think you comment here just to piss me off. If that is your intention, then Fuck You and the pogo-stick you rode in on.
D’
December 9th, 2008 at 2:19 PMUsing
I bet you any amount of money, DJ, that Palin had better grades in college than Obama the Magic Communist. Prove it with the usual unbiased links please.
BTW, it’s interesting that you will speculate to no end the parentage of Trig Palin, speculate for days about whether or not Sarah Palin tried to have a miscarriage, and speculate incessantly about how stupid RINO’s are.
But, a sitting governor on tape saying to the editorial board of a newspaper that they have to get rid of people he doesn’t like in order to get state aid, a sitting governor on tape saying that an open US Senate seat is for sale, no, we can’t speculate about that, let the charges play out.
Hypocrisy, thy name id DJ Allyn.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:40 PMUsing
mayim sez:
“Which is fair enough a reason to criticise him for, of course. Then again, weren’t plenty of Bush II’s top guys Reagan, Bush I, and even Nixon retreads?”
I don’t recall Bush’s campaign slogan being “Change” Do correct me if that is not what Jughead Obama promised and swore to the American people.
December 9th, 2008 at 2:50 PMUsing
Gov. Blago calls Obama ‘motherfu**er’…
YEA, (HAR HAR )……SO ?
December 9th, 2008 at 3:02 PMUsing
It’s typical of liberals to question and denigrate the intelligence of Republican and/or conservative candidates and office-holders. I’ve seen it done so often in the last twenty years that every time I see something like that now, I just roll my eyes and ignore it. They can call me back when they have something germane to say.
Hey, who wants to be a virtual Muslim?
December 9th, 2008 at 3:16 PMUsing
ALConfederate sez:
Can I get a Virtual Fatwa? Where they say they’ll blow my virtual head off over the Intertubes?
December 9th, 2008 at 3:46 PMUsing
Oh dear GOD, *PLEASE* tell me that “Muxlim Pal” thing is a parody.
If not, I’ll have to run around in there screaming “ULULULULULULULULU” and channeling the Great Cornholio… :em95:
December 9th, 2008 at 3:57 PMUsing
This has Rezko written all over it. Obama has had his people transitioning into the Justice department and I’ll bet he had his candidate withdraw while the Tribune was sitting on this story. The media is portraying the Tribune as some sort of bastion of morality for sitting on the story, but it helped Obama move his candidate forward. The Tribune, mind you, is in the bag for Obama. This is the same rag that opened a sealed divorce decree in spite of ‘The Chillun™’ and refused to seek the lousy locked-up birth certificate.
I’ve read the complaint and they better have more than that. Fitzgerald’s term expires on inauguration day.
This is obviously a play to get Obama’s pick installed.
Other than that, it’s always fun to watch democrats eat their young.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:00 PMUsing
Taken from an ABC newsreport about how Axelrod and Obama differ on their reconcilliations about whether or not Cokebama talked to Blago or not.
IMPEACH COKEBAMA NOW!!! BEFORE HE GETS IN AND REALLY DOES SOME DAMAGE!!!!
December 9th, 2008 at 4:11 PMUsing
mayim sez:
No, I’m afraid not. It’s Virtual Life for Muslims.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:14 PMUsing
ALConfederate sez:
*CACKLES* Hey guys, if I arranged for a nicely anonymised (i.e.: relatively untraceable) way for us to all crash their little Virtual Casbah…. would you join me on a fun little romp through the pixelated ululators? It’ll be a BLAST!
December 9th, 2008 at 4:21 PMUsing
lc purple raider sez:
Uh, this is irrelevant to the conversation anyway, but given that Palin went to 4 or 5 colleges, none of which I had ever heard of before, and Obama went to Harvard, I think Obama would win regardless.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:24 PMUsing
mayim sez:
It IS tempting…
December 9th, 2008 at 4:55 PMUsing
ICD seyz:
Prove it, reliable link, transcripts of both Palin and Obama.
New York Slimes is not a reliable source.
Newsmax is.
December 9th, 2008 at 4:57 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Deej, really… Do I HONESTLY need to qualify each post with a big “FACETIOUSNESS ALERT!” or something? I was kidding!! Not that I DON’T hope that… I do… But I’m perfectly well aware that he won’t be sent to a maximum security prison.
Darth… one can hope, right?
December 9th, 2008 at 5:05 PMUsing
Interpretive Clog Dancer sez:
Erm… again, irrelevant. But having graduated from the Johns Hopkins University, I can tell you that some of the BIGGEST festering yambags with IQs of wilted lettuce matriculate from the Ivy Leagues. I’ve known too many of those types.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:09 PMUsing
darthapathy sez:
Quite true, sadly.
Which is why vigilantism is very much needed back in this country. Upon his conviction, should he receive one, he should be quietly whisked off by patriotic citizens, dragged into a back alley and there that cancer upon society should be cured with two quick bullets to the back of the head.
Leave his treasonous, corrupt carcass to rot and feed the rats.
Then burn down his house.
With his family still in it.
Pour encourager les autres.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:15 PMUsing
Should we start opening bets at London bookmakers whether Obama
a) has prosecutions against Blagoyevich dropped
b) will, at latest, pardon Blagoyevich on 01-19-2017
Even down here, the media are simply shocked.
I’d say that this is in the nature of the Chicago Political Machine. No wonder Capone could thrive there for so long.
December 9th, 2008 at 5:41 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Err…. Emperor, be careful what you wish for. We are a country founded upon laws, ‘a nation of laws, not of men’. If we revert back to an Old West mentality, we’ll lose any claim that we have to the moral high ground. It would be a Bad Idea. And killing his family is beyond reproach in any case. Get some perspective; this guy peddled influence. He did not sell nuke codes to the Chinese. He was a corrupt politican, and he deserves to rot in prison. He does not deserve a lynching by an angry, lawless mob.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:04 PMUsing
lc purple raider sez:
What the fuck is Newsmax?
EDIT: Oh, never mind, I looked it up on Wikipedia. Evidently, it’s a conservative news website of fairly recent vintage. Looks to be somewhere between WorldNetDaily and Drudge Report on the Great Ladder of Reliability.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:06 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Doubtlessly one of the best observations you’ve ever made mayim.
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
True that. Total agreement.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:10 PMEmperor Misha I @ 45: THAT is exactly what needs to happen! Punishment for corrupt government, as Troy said, is beyond the normal level of crime.
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mayim sez:
Yes he does.
Scum like him are the reason that this society is developing into a rotting, corrupt heap of slime where only those willing to pay to play and with the right connections have any shot at the kind of “fair trial” that you talk about.
Scum like him are the ones who always get off lightly with nothing but a slap on the wrist, if that, while any average citizen caught doing a fraction of what he and his cancerous, subhuman ilk does on a daily basis would be locked up in a maximum security hellhole for sixteen lifetimes without the possibility of parole.
Sadly, in order to cure a radical disease like cancer, you sometimes have to use radical treatment.
In order to discourage other subhuman vermin like him from following in his footsteps, the reaction and consequences have to be brutal, inhumane, quick and merciless. Giving him a plea bargain, fifteen minutes of community service, sixteen multi-million dollar bookdeals, his own TV shows, speaking engagements and free hookers and cocaine for the rest of his life is NOT going to discourage anybody.
Also, in order to efficiently rid the body politic of a disease like him, you have to have informants. The very best, the single most efficient way of getting informants, is to make it abundantly clear to every living soul in the country that being caught within a fifteen-mile radius of a rat bastard like that without immediately turning him in to authorities is going to have dire consequences to yourself, anybody you know and anybody who ever knew anybody that you knew.
It’s amazing how fear will encourage even the most feckless and vile among us to do the right thing.
Wipe them out. All of them. String them up, burn their corpses and curse their family names for seven generations.
THAT will cure the disease.
Nothing else will.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:22 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Alright. You wanna go lynch the corrupt government critters, I can’t work up enough of a give-a-shit to protest it further. But their FAMILIES????
Tell you what; you can be the first one to put a bullet in the head of Corrupt Senator #72’s 4-year-old daughter. Go ahead; you go first.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:24 PMUsing
Nits make lice, Mayim, nits make lice.
Although a 4-year-old is probably young enough to save. With the correct de-programming. Not to mention that 4-year-olds don’t make very good snitches anyway, so I’ll grant you that point. There’s no point in doing something that won’t make a positive difference anyway. We’d have to establish a cut-off for when a citizen is legally required to turn in a criminal or suffer the consequences, though.
Let me refine the point a bit, since you’re absolutely right in the above, in spite of my snarky reply:
If you had a friend whom you knew had, say, raped a little child to death, yet you didn’t at any point do the slightest to turn the evidence over to authorities, I would consider you equally culpable.
In this particular case, however, his wife is definitely fair game since she not only knew what was going on, according to the wire taps, she was fucking part of it.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:30 PMUsing
Um, Emperor, curing Chicago politics might require outright euthanasia.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:31 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Well, if she was part of it, or even just knew about it, she should be a co-defendant, and some of whatever goodness (prison time, angry mobs, whatever) comes HIS way should come HER way as well.
Personally, I stand by the notion that only a violent crime (or a crime that could lead to violent crimes, e.g. selling nuclear secrets to Iran or whatnot) should merit violent punishment. Let him rot in Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison with Bubba the 300-pound rapist as his cellmate.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:33 PMUsing
Before you go gettin’ all self-righteous on us again, according to news reports, Mrs. B is being implicated, as well.
Dunno if they have any kids. I sure hope not.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:34 PMUsing
We could re-enact the Mountain Meadows Massacre and give the surviving four year olds away to childless couples. A win-win there.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:34 PMUsing
anonymous hourly worker sez:
Not a bad idea, actually. Not a bad idea at all.
I’m not in the business of offering a patient with a brain tumor a couple of aspirin to help with the headaches, I’m in favor of cutting the tumor out. And if some healthy tissue has to go in order to save the body as a whole…?
Oh well…
December 9th, 2008 at 6:35 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Sure.
She’ll probably get a book deal of her own.
And several appearances on Oprah as “the poor woman who didn’t know.”
Big fucking deal.
If the tapes are correct, she should be raped to death by two dozen horny, enraged bulls. With razor wire wrapped around their cocks.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:36 PMUsing
mayim sez:
You know, if I believed, if I had any reason to believe that scum like that vermin would suffer a sentence like that for their crimes, then I’d be fine with locking him away for life instead of killing him.
Problem is, he won’t. His kind never have, and they never will.
And when justice fails, the people must jump in to restore it.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:38 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
He bought back the dust bowl, reinstated the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act and moved from manual farm labor, to mechanized farming? WHO KNEW?
seriously however, the last time I was reading here you were ill DJ, I hope you are feeling better now.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:39 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Christ, man, I thought these people were accused of selling political influence, not slaughtering innocent children and braining puppies with their remains.
You’re getting WAY too worked up over a typical sleazy politician. These people didn’t kill anyone; why are you advocating such horrific punishments?
Save the hyperbole for people who deserve it. You know, like the Mumbai killers, or Osama bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein…
December 9th, 2008 at 6:39 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Good point, and that’s sad. I’m not so sure a lynch mob and angry razor-wire-cocked raping bulls (@ #58) are the answer though.
We can’t rail against angry, lawless lynch mobs when they happen on the streets of Iraq, and then call for the same sort of thing here.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:41 PMUsing
There should be a law forcing such people to commit suicide in public.
For such downright corrupt people, they should have about 5 options:
a) Plastic bag over the head
b) public drowning, recorded with an underwater camera
c) drinking a concoction of amanita phalloides (kills over 3-5 days)
d) Seppuku without a kaishakunin
e) jumonji giri
The family? As long as they had no parts in the acts of their ‘head’ of the family, spare them.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:42 PMUsing
I seem to remember Fitz telling Rove and Libby they were in serious legal trouble in 2005 and trying to get indictments against them in the CIA leak thing. That guy is almost as megalomaniacal as Obumbles.
Too bad they didn’t sell the senate seat 2 years ago; it isn’t like Obi-wan was even there.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:43 PMUsing
Boy, Obi-wan didn’t know ANYONE did he? He just jumped to the top with no help at all! What a go-getter! Wright was just the guy behind the altar, Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, Khalidi was just some dude at the dinner table, Blaggy was just the guy in the governor’s office - come on now, I didn’t have anything to do with them! Looks like the new slogan is, “Did I know him? Depends on what the definition of ‘know’ is.”
December 9th, 2008 at 6:47 PMUsing
And mayim, get real. SAYING something and that something being DONE are two very different things.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:49 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Oh, you mean that stealing the property of taxpayers and diverting it to your own pockets, subverting the laws of this nation and effectively relegating 99.5% of the population to second-class citizenship thereby, using extortion against private enterprises to eliminate free speech and forcing banks to issue loans to bad debtors, in other words, COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DESTROYING THE RULE OF LAW OF OUR NATION FOR OWN PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN “isn’t worth getting worked up over?”
Rome went to Hell for less than that.
Sorry, but I reserve my right to get worked up over it.
Kill them all. No mercy, no appeals, no exceptions. Once we’ve killed enough of them, the rest will start taking notice.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:49 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
OF COURSE it’s worth getting worked up over! But if you’ll read what I said, I did NOT complain that you were getting “worked up” about it; I complained that you are getting “TOO worked up” over it. Big, big difference.
Calling for him to rot in prison with Bubba the Baby-Rapist forever would be appropriate.
Calling for public lynchings… no.
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
Good point. I suppose hyperbole IS the currency of the realm here.
December 9th, 2008 at 6:52 PMUsing
McPhee: I loved your last line on #65! Funny funny girl!
Obama doesn’t know ANYONE in Illinois.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:00 PMIn fact, he didn’t/doesn’t really live there–that’s his body double.
Geez, people, get with it!
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nerbygirl sez:
It was, in fact, his evil twin Amabo.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:01 PMUsing
AMABO!!! Not the evil twin, AMABO!!!!
December 9th, 2008 at 7:02 PMRun for your lives!
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nerbygirl sez:
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December 9th, 2008 at 7:05 PMUsing
mayim sez:
I think I could agree with that, but like several said, that never happens to this kind of scum. They always get minimal sentences at the lightest facilities, or even more often, just walk. We need an example or two to get the rest of them to step back in line. Ideally, it could be done legally, but I can’t see the governor signing off on the necessary legislation.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:09 PMUsing
Chalkie sez:
Ahh, well, now it comes time for me to paraphrase some of the advice that has been given to me on this very site:
America gives us the tools to allow us to try to obtain change in government. Use them. If you feel that it’s wrong that politicians and other celebrities often get off scot-free for crimes that the rest of us Mere Mortals would do hard time for– and I’d agree wholeheartedly that this is wrong and needs to change– then use the legal system to combat it. Try to get laws passed that guarantee equally harsh sentences for politicians as for The Rest Of Us. Don’t try to force your will with “mob rule”.
I, for one, would happily vote for the Send Corrupt Politicians To Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison Act of 2008. (or SCPTFPMITA08 for short.) I don’t care if the corrupt guy (or gal) has a (D) or a (R) after their name; they need to rot in jail.
By the way, when I see your name now, I think of “iChalky” for the iPhone/iPod Touch. Check it out here. I have it on my iTouch. Wacky little toy.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:15 PMUsing
TIME TO CALL A CODE ON THE OLD GRAY LADY!!! :em01:
MAKE HER DNR!!!!! :em41:
Liberal thought getting exactly the retribution it deserves. :em69:
December 9th, 2008 at 7:21 PMUsing
Come on, mayim. Do you really think anyone here is forming a lynch mob in the streets? USE YOUR HEAD, man! Saying things and doing them are very, very, very different. No one here is taking up arms and running out to exact street justice. Be sensible for once.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:23 PMUsing
mayim sez:
I don’t disagree with you, not one little bit, because that is my ideal way of dealing with it too.
Problem is, the system has become so corrupted that we’re not about to achieve any of that anymore. How many decades have we spent, on both sides of the aisle, calling for reform to rein in the corrupt sacks of shit in DC? And just what have we got to show for it after all of those years? The politicians, Ds and Rs, are more corrupt than ever before and they’ve created a nice Byzantine labyrinth of legislation, old boys’ networks etc. to make sure that they won’t ever, EVER face the consequences of their crimes.
Ever heard of the Tree of Liberty?
It’s time to water it again. 232 years is too long for any plant to go without nourishment.
And I won’t weep for a single solitary second for the tyrants caught in the bloodbath.
It’s coming. At some point, the camel’s back is going to break and it will be the beginning of the end of the swine.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
F.E.T.E.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:25 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee @:
I tend to take things very literally. For instance, I can’t tell if you said “Use your head, man” to imply that I am a man (and thus insult me), or in a gender-neutral fashion. It’s been suspected that I have a touch of Asperger’s Syndrome. I’m not deliberately obtuse, believe it or not. I just can’t tell when someone is being literal and when they are simply venting.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:29 PMUsing
Emperor Misha I sez:
Agreed. We have become corrupt, like the Romans did. Now, here comes the tricky part: Name an historical precedent where a corrupt society became NON-CORRUPT within a single generation’s time without the entire country going to shit for a lot longer…
Incidentally, I’m rather certain that “tyrants” is too extreme a word for our present “leaders”. Corrupt swine, yes. Fat cats, absolutely. Criminals, most definitely. Privileged, immoral oligarchs, certainly. Circle-jerking sack-of-shit liars who deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their days, yes and again yes. But with all the freedoms that we enjoy here in America, it’s very hard to claim that we live under a “tyrannical” system.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:32 PMUsing
mayim sez:
1776
December 9th, 2008 at 7:38 PMUsing
[...] Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiller: Ho-HUM. Another day, another blatant, criminal lie from the Anointed Jug-Eared Marxist Freak, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet. It’s going to be a fun four fucking years trying to keep up with every single lie that serial prevaricator blows out his filthy pie hole. [...]
December 9th, 2008 at 7:40 PMUsing
Mayim, the day you see the Rotties DOING these things, or even have any good reason in hell to think that they would, such as discussing times, places, etc. is the day you should take it literally. They tend, do they not, to complain that Iraqis (which you made comparison to earlier) ACTUALLY GO out onto the street, burn real men to death and drag burned bodies through it in celebration. If Asperger’s were real, I’d be the spokesperson because I fit every existing criteria, but even I know the difference between words and actions.
Here, I’m going to illustrate this for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnoUNwFOkE
Now. You see the thing in front of you? It is a monitor. The things on it are words, images, videos, pixels. They can not harm you.
What you need to do now is look around, because there is something called an “off” button. I know it’s hard to believe, and kind of scary too. I’m going to ask you to hit it in a moment. It is disconcerting to hear the servos and fans winding down, but it’s all right. Slowly, turn around. What you now see is real life. It has no off button, and I grant you that things there may be able to hurt you, but that is the price of being human. It also contains much greater capacity for happiness, learning, and fulfillment.
(Before you get pissy, I made a post similar to this on my blog, directed at all people who seemed to get confused as to the difference between words on a screen and reality - in other words to EVERYONE, but especially to those who felt it was appropriate to expose people’s real life identities, call their jobs to get them fired, and call their schools to get them expelled, on the basis that they had said something offensive on the internet. The post was a lot better than what I just wrote, but the same gist. It wasn’t a personal mayim-attack.)
Ok - to sum up - words on a screen that say “they should be killed in the streets” /= “a riotous group taking to the streets and committing murders.” You will know the difference when it happens, or if you ever choose to visit some war-torn shithole where that shit goes on every day.
HIT IT!
December 9th, 2008 at 7:41 PMUsing
And this is not to deny the possibility of an armed revolution - but we haven’t even gotten around to any plans for that yet, have we? It all remains to be seen.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:47 PMUsing
Hmm. You make a good point, Annie. Myself, I personally try not to advocate things on the Internets unless I think they would be a good idea in the Real World, but I guess that makes me the exception, not the rule… at least on here, anyways.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:50 PMUsing
Annie, Annie Annie….
You haven’t been emailed the plans yet? I CC’d my “Plan To Take Over The World” to you last week!
December 9th, 2008 at 7:51 PMWhuussup witchoo, girl?
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Mayim:
December 9th, 2008 at 7:55 PMNow don’t be a liar, dear.
You advocate things on this site ALL the time.
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nerbygirl sez:
Well, yes, but they generally don’t involve killing peoples’ families.
Generally.
December 9th, 2008 at 7:59 PMUsing
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I was hoping to not be around when the tree of liberty gets watered. I was hoping pruning of the branches stealing the most from the taproot would suffice. But you know, that requires the pruning to be successful.
I suppose if it is the FBI is who does the pruning, that’s okay as long as it stays pruned.
Here’s hoping that mayor Daley was involved in this corruption somehow.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:01 PMUsing
Mayim:
Killing is bad, ugly, gross, disgusting, etc.
But sometimes it is necessary.
I know you don’t like the graphic language used by some folks here, but people are sick of seeing all of the corruption and carnage made against us: We The People.
Frankly, I understand the anger and share some of it. Kumbahyah is bullshit.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:02 PMUsing
Chalkie:
December 9th, 2008 at 8:04 PMThat entire State is so corrupt that I don’t think the FBI will know where to start!
I have a friend in Chicago who owns a hotel, and the pay-offs he is forced to give the Police force alone are staggering.
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YIKES nerbygirl - I hope to hell I didn’t miss the first congress. RESEND, RESEND!
December 9th, 2008 at 8:07 PMUsing
nerbygirl sez:
Well, in my defence, I -did- say that I hope this guy ends up in Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison with a baby-raping guy named Bubba as his cellmate, right? That’s nnnnnooott exactly “Kumbayah”…
December 9th, 2008 at 8:12 PMUsing
Look after Waco (not to mention Ruby Ridge, but Waco was the deliberate murder of 100 innocent people, men women and children alike) a mass murder committed by our own government; I’m not averse to watering the tree, believe me. And our new secretary of state was involved in destroying evidence in that case, which should scare the shit out of anyone. See, we don’t know what her role in that mass murder was, because that evidence was destroyed - BY HER. And yes, we know this for a fact. The fact that not only is she not in prison but is SECRETARY of fucking STATE - yeah, I’m in if there is a revolution, though I don’t know how to start one. Who knows what that entails, but I’m willing to find out.
So mayim, when you hear people advocating - DISCUSSING VERBALLY - killing people, you just look at pictures of all those dead and burned children at Waco and tell me why return fire is out of line, ok? The same people who did it are in power now, and people just like them. Your moralizing about ohhhhh killing is soo sooo soooooo bad is just nonsense in the face of what our government does.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:13 PMUsing
AnnieMcPhee:
The watering is unpleasant… I was hoping that we could keep it together long enough that it didn’t happen while my nieces or I were around. It may need to happen someday, but I do not look forward to it.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:31 PMUsing
Killing is bad, but raping is okay, Mayim?
December 9th, 2008 at 8:33 PMYou jump all over in your positions so often that I don’t think you’re a woman, I think you’re a cricket!
Chirp chirp
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Gotta go. Catch you guys later!
December 9th, 2008 at 8:33 PMUsing
nerbygirl sez:
I am, in fact, a rabbit. With a pancake on my head.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:36 PMUsing
Another scary part to all of this corruption is all the cronyism and nepotism going on. Currently, the front runners for Hitlery’s seat (and she’s not qualified to be Sec of State, anyway, but dems are good at subverting the constitution) are Andrew Cuomo and Caroline Kennedy.
Two more dynasties we can live without.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:36 PMUsing
I’m sorry to say this boys and girls, but I’m near praying for the success of a certain jihadist plan to nuke 7 major cities simultaneously. I know you’ve heard of that? With TEH OBAMESSIAH in the oval orifice, they have every chance of success. Let them take care of NY, Chicago, L.A., Detroit, Denver, I forget the other 2(I think it was Atlanta and Houston), and then the AMERICANS can protect the nation from further occupation. And if they hit Houston, they’ll piss off the TEXANS, and it’s over.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:02 PMUsing
I don’t like it either, Mayim, but His Imperial Majesty is correct. There do come times when the rule of law fails and We The People, the source of all goverment power and law in this country, have to step in and clean things up.
Now, I’m not advocating that we all grab ropes & shotguns and convoy up to Chicago right now. If such a thing must be done, it should only be done after sufficient provocation and after a time of prayer and reflection.
The question is, are we reaching the point of sufficient provocation? I’m starting to believe we are, and pretty soon it’s going to be time to clean up this country. Look around you. Police shaking down businesses for protection money. Massive voter fraud. Congressional seats for sale to the highest bidder. The perpetrators of same are not worried. They might get a slap on the wrist and a few years at Club Fed, then maybe a Presidential pardon and an opportunity to hit the lecture or the academia circuit afterwards. Let you or I try something like that and see what happens. The best we could expect is for them to pick up a corner of a max-sec facility and bowl us under.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:06 PMUsing
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
No San Francisco?
Rats. I really liked Denver.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:09 PMUsing
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
Wait, I thought you guys DIDN’T like terrorism?
By the way, if you don’t recall, the terrorist attack which started all of this was against… uhh, New York and D.C…. So what the hell, people. Do you WANT NYC and DC to get attacked or not?
More seriously: I have not heard of this plan to nuke seven major American cities. Have you got a URL for this? Preferably a major news source… yes, Fox News counts.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:10 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Phoenix is in the top 20. Hell, it’s in the top 5.
So be careful what you wish for… If the terrorists took out the top few American cities, at least one “red” city would be on the list.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:11 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Dunno about that. Most of the red states are Midwest. Ain’t nuthin here nobody wants. A few cows, maybe…
December 9th, 2008 at 9:15 PMUsing
ALConfederate @ 100: Yes, it is.
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun @101: Might have been San Fransicko. Been a while since I heard the intel.
mayim @ 102 & 103: May have been DC, probably was. No, we don’t like the idea of terrorism. But this would take care of a lot of problems really fast, and then we could straighten up the mess afterwards. Tactically, using your enemy against himself is productive.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:18 PMUsing
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
So… let me get this straight.
The terrorists murder 3,000 people– in “blue” cities– and as a result you throw shit-fits for seven years about how we need to attack every country in the bloody Middle East….
…And now you’re advocating letting the same jihadist Islamofascist murdering swine kill 3 MILLION on top of that 3,000?
I’m just going to assume that this is that wonderful Rottweiler hyperbole……………..
December 9th, 2008 at 9:24 PMUsing
Google is our friend. Simply google the “jihadi nuclear attack plan”. Got pages. Some stuff isn’t going to be there for obvious reasons.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:30 PMAnd yes, it was hyperbolic. To an extent. The only thing that will wake this nation up to what it needs to do is something so terrible that NOBODY can ignore it.
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No one is advocating anything, but I think everyone here is getting tired of all the “righteousness” coming from the left, all the contradictions and hypocrisy. Remember when we got attacked on 9-11? All we heard about was how Bush SHOULD have stopped it…should have done something. He’d only been in office for EIGHT MONTHS.
Fair is fair, Mayim. We are gonna give to the obamabots as good as we got for the last eight years. If you can’t stand it, then you’d best leave here now. It’s not gonna be pretty. The major cities tend to be corrupt. When you have a cancer, you destroy it, all at once if possible.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:32 PMUsing
LC steveegg sez:
Really? I would hate to take your money like that, not with these current charges only being the tip of the ice berg on the investigation that goes back to 2005. I think the only reason Fitz chose to get him right now is because Blagojevich said he was going to fill the seat vacated by Obama by Christmas, and Fitz wasn’t about to let that happen. The US Attorney has a duty to prevent further crimes if he knows they are going to be committed. Since he has six or eight weeks of phone recordings spelling out the details of the crime itself, he probably felt he needed to act now. I am sure that more charges are forthcoming so the bigger question is, to which is he going to plead guilty on in favor of dropping the rest?
He is in a cross that most defendants don’t want to find themselves in, and it favors only the prosecution because they will get a conviction on something. A trial in front of a jury with five counts is winnable for the defense. A trial with fifty counts makes a jury feel almost obligated in making the defendant guilty of at least some of them if not more. It is why defense attorneys tend to try and plead their clients out to smaller or lesser-included charges in exchange for a better position at sentencing. Those three-points for acceptance of responsibility can mean the difference between ten years and fifty years.
Blagojevich being pardoned or have his sentence commuted? Is there ANYTHING Obama has said or done so far that would suggest, let alone support him doing anything like that? ANYTHING?
Blagojevich is going to prison. For how long will be determined by what kind of deal he can make with the prosecutor by pleading the case out. Blagojevich is and always has been the target, not the stepping stone, so don’t expect there to be any deal made in exchange for testimony. Blagojevich is at the unenviable position of being at the top. It will be hard enough for him to shed that “Leader/organizer” role and settle for the “managerial” role. They MIGHT let him do that. He will make the deal that will put his sentence at under ten years to the gate and that will allow him to serve his time at a camp like FPC Eglin, FPC Nellis. or FPC Allenwood. Can you believe that Forbes had the “Best Places to go to Prison“?
Of course Blagojevich may be foolish and decide to take everything to trial, but that will only double what time he would receive by pleading the case out.
xenophobic sez:
Funny, but none of those caused the Great Depression.
Emperor Misha I sez:
Here, I agree with you.
Chalkie sez:
Melodramatic much?
Strange comment, to actually HOPE there were others involved. Wouldn’t the average person NOT hope that people — even those you don’t care for stayed within the limits of the law?
It’s like this time every year we sing carols about “Peace on Earth, Goodwill to man” and “pray” for world-wide peace, then want to go right out and blow someone to smithereens. (Just an ironic observation, after suffering in the mall a little while ago hearing the same songs done by several different people — the most annoying being, the Chipmunks or a very young Michael Jackson singing anything — as if there was a difference)
December 9th, 2008 at 9:34 PMUsing
You must admit, they DO use radiation therapy for cancer. :em99:
December 9th, 2008 at 9:35 PMUsing
Complacent much?
What a difference a day can make. :em02:
December 9th, 2008 at 9:40 PMUsing
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
Soooo true.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:40 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
You know, reading - who was it, Kristol I guess - saying that since we’re going to get all this crap (public works, et al) anyway, we might as well welcome it - sort of like that McCain ally who said if you’re going to be raped anyway, you might as well lay back and enjoy it. I hope - I really, really hope - that we do NOT forget just how deep the utter hatred and insanity about Bush has gone (I’ve spent most of this time reading leftist shit; it’s worse than most people come close to ever realizing) - and that we DO NOT forget that it’s absolutely payback time. Every idle word has to be shoved right the fuck down their throats now - every. last. one. And I don’t want to be alone in doing it; I don’t want us to forget or lose focus.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:44 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
That is because there wasn’t a single cause DJ. These three were involved in either prolonging, or worsening it however.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:50 PMUsing
How about this?
500K to get rid of a guy that couldn’t handle the job. The man took a crappy school district and in two short years made it worse…which I didn’t even think was possible.
Oh, and of course his reason he got canned?
:em96: :em96:
December 9th, 2008 at 9:53 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
Criminy…. When did this country become so goddamned divided?
It’s not the job of the Democrats to stick it to the Republicans.
It’s not the job of the Republicans to stick it to the Democrats.
It’s the job of both parties to advocate for what they think is right.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:55 PMUsing
BO is still stuck on his public opinion pinwheel, ever since he “Hit the ground
December 9th, 2008 at 10:01 PMrunningbackpedaling.”I’ll betcha he don’t even know when someone’s declaring war on him..
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AND to work, TOGETHER, in the interests of AMERICA as opposed to trying to destroy it and make it no better than any other third world country. Fuck a whole bunch of socialist pigshit which makes AMERICA the same failure as everywhere else.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:05 PMUsing
I’d just as soon water that tree now, before that task falls to my child.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:08 PMBut that’s just how I roll.
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07 DEC 1941, 2400 people killed, and America jumped up out of bed, put on it’s combat boots and it’s work boots and kicks 2/3’s of the world’s ass.
Shortly after 11 SEPT 2001, close to 3,000 people killed and ADM. Yamamoto’s “Sleeping Giant” hits “SNOOZE” and rolls over and slips back into its slumber…
4000+ of America’s finest have given their lives, and 12,300+ MUSLIM terrorist attacks later, and we’re still hitting the snooze button.
If it takes a half dozen Blue cities (are there any really Red cities??) to get hit at once to wake 50+% of this country up to The Facts Of Life, (muslims hate us and want us dead and we need to kick their ass), I’m for it.
And speaking just for me, that ain’t hyperbole.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:08 PMUsing
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech @ 117: Yepyepyep. We were waiting for that one.
Forger:
Yepyepyep again. *SIGH*
December 9th, 2008 at 10:11 PMUsing
Forger sez:
Well, until this year, Omaha was. They sold out to the Magic Negro, and we split our electoral votes for the first time ever in history.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:13 PMUsing
My prediction:
Chicago, Frisco, NY, LA, D.C., Detroit, Philly.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:20 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Wait, you want to be around for the bloodshed? To each his own I suppose.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:26 PMUsing
Mayim who said anything about parties? I don’t want conservatives/libertarians (who may or may not be Republican) to forget the depths of depravity that has been plumbed to DESTROY George Bush and thus conservatives for the last 8 years; and if I have anything to do with it they won’t forget. I’m going to stuff those words down their throats without mercy. If that is distasteful to you, oh well. They brought it, they’re gonna own it now. So it goes.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:26 PMUsing
LC Forger, for what it’s worth, I never used the word or the concept hyperbole. I was merely pointing out the vast difference between SAYING something and DOING something. It is ridiculous to tell someone to use the law to change things rather than killing people on the street, when it’s patently obvious that no one in that place is actually GOING onto the street with their weapons to kill people. It makes no sense at all, and I was pointing this out.
I don’t know if more than one city will be hit (I was actually only envisaging one when I played out the scenario in my mind, not 7 at once; that was new) but it’s depressing if it’s NYC AGAIN. I’d die in that one myself. Dammit, we took the last one, why can’t someone else take the next one? What about fucking LA or even San Francisco?
December 9th, 2008 at 10:30 PMUsing
Annie,
And let’s not forget the PDS (Palin derangement syndrome) and what they put that poor family through regarding little Trig. THere is NO mercy for cretins like that.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:34 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
I don’t hope that the corruption grows, I simply hope that the corrupt get caught.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:37 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
I keep forgetting you’re in New York. We should go have a :em03: some time. Bring a friend!
December 9th, 2008 at 10:40 PMUsing
Just outside, actually, but yeah that sounds good. Just make it many drinks instead of “a” drink and we’re set
December 9th, 2008 at 10:49 PMUsing
Chalkie sez -
No.
But I’d rather it be me than the little girl who get on the bus every morning and hugs my neck and sez, “Good Morning, Mr. John”, and again when I drop her at school and then again in the afternoon on the way home. Or any of the other 40-odd kids….
…and the sooner the better. I ain’t gettin’ no younger.
LC AnnieMcPhee sez -
I wasn’t connecting it to you, I just wanted to be clear that Me, Myself and I weren’t being hyperbolic…
And Mayim, I’d settle for San FranCrisco or Whollyweird or Lost Angeles instead of NYFC…
But If anyone should be awake and pissed it should be NYFC…. Why ain’t they???
December 9th, 2008 at 10:50 PMUsing
I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that the Chicago Machine, and Obama’s people, are throwing Blagojevich to the wolves. They want to get rid of him, because he doesn’t understand how corruption works. He doesn’t get the quid pro quo, and he doesn’t get how to wiggle out of the bad publicity. And when they are accused of complicity, they can shift the blame onto him.
No, there’ll be no reprieve, and no pardon. They don’t want anything to do with him. He’s served their purpose, and now he’s a liability.
In fairness to Richie Daley, I don’t think he had any part in this. He’s not smart enough. He lets the Machine use him as it wills. His old man was corrupt, but at least he knew what he was doing. Richie doesn’t.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:31 PMUsing
That’s what I figured, Forger; just making sure
I remember Hillary being booed off the stage in NYC shortly after 9/11 - that benefit, the one where Richard Gere got booed off as well…and it’s stunning that people have not held on to that. Too busy asking Bush WHY he’s going over to the ME to fight these fucks on their own turf and cursing him for it. Idiots. This NY neighbor hasn’t forgotten, forgiven, or lost any momentum; it could have been yesterday.
Trish - sort of like the McDougals in the Rosewater thing? Or whatever the hell it was. One of the countless Clintoon scandals, and they let their friends/co-conspirators die in prison. Obama might do just that; it isn’t like he has a conscience.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:32 PMUsing
DJ Allyn, ITW @:
It must really exercise your shorts to see another viper from the Nest of the Obamessiah exposed. Get used to it. Your Great Hope, you “adult in charge” is in for a rough ride, and, unlike Bush, it won’t be because of ODiouS. It’ll be because he is a lying, incompetent crook just like all the other lying incompetent crooks with whom he has been associated and at who’s knees he has had his tutelage.
:em01:
You’ll do your utmost, with your familiar contortionist ‘logic’, and voluminous gaseous posts, to defect this from your Boy but… I’m betting, and hoping and praying, that this buzzard comes home to roost.
One more nail in the coffin… either of the Residency of Your Selection, or of the Liberty of this Nation.
Waiting for the other shoe to drop… in 5,4,3,2,1 week, month, year.
You and all apologist Obaminists…
FOAD
As for Red Rod and all his kind-
Hang ‘em high.
Let the watering begin. The Tree of Liberty is withering fast. It’s too late, it’s too far gone for half measures and politiical reorganizing.
December 9th, 2008 at 11:43 PMUsing
:em01: :em01: Mayim sez…. When did this become about the parties? When did we become so divided? :em01: :em01:
I say , what fucking planet have you been living on for the past eight years? This division, this utter bullshit, has been percolating at least since Billy Bob lied right dead to our face “I did not have sex with that women”. And they let him slide.. from there it progressed into the “contested election”. And then the past four years have been a real kicker… the fucking complete undermining of a War president, code PINK, Murtha, Reid, Peloisi, etc. etc. The division has been doing nothing but building. How you could not see it, is inconceivable to me.. unless you are new to the political environment.
The polarization of America is complete… think about the phrase “fly over country” as if to imply nothing worthwhile down there, when it is the very same country that provides the majority of resouces for those living in the urban corridors on the coast. There are indeed TWO America’s… One is down to earth and fairly easy going.. the other is a bunch of pretentious, materialistic, slave to fashion and the “latest” whatever out there. One still practices the “old” ways, the other thinks they have a lock on “new” thinking (which is old thinking.. but its new to them). One feels entitled to a certain “quality of life”, the other is grateful for the opportunity to pursue a different quality of life if desired. I could go on and on.. but you get my drift. Bottom line is that its coming to a point where you have one side that wants to maintain the nation as the founders envisioned it, and another that is Ok with “change” … just because it is potentialy “cool’ or the latest trend……
Given the nature of or government today…. I think that revolution (or seccession.. spelling?) is an inevitability. The majority here seem to agree .. that its better now than later for a number of reasons. …. Cleaning up our own mess…. before things get to out of hand. etc. etc. Personaly I hope for a supreme court lead revolution supported by the military and backed by the most reasonable persons from both parties. We need a two party system (minimum) to maintain balance.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:04 AMUsing
That’s so true, Terrible Troy. But if we need two parties for balance, is it really necessary to have lefties/Dims? Why the heck can’t the second party be Constitution Party or Libertarian or ANYTHING more bearable in this world than Dims?
December 10th, 2008 at 2:39 AMUsing
Chalkie sez:
Pre-fucking-cisely.
LC FORGER - Imperial Blacksmith sez:
In the vernacular, I feel ya, bro. I pray we can sort this the easy way, I don’t really want to see a whole bunch of killing and dieing again, but whatever must be done in the end. Our military has sworn a certain OATH, as have many of the readers here, The Emperor being one. Allow me, if you will, to offer this little tidbit from my writings. I tried to make it as simple and easy to read as possible. Our military has the capabilities to get this done in 30 minutes or less. We have the intel, the comm, and the tactics to clear the slate, and it needs to be done cold, hard, and brutal. That is the only way it will work, and it can be done quick and clean, so long as there is no interference from the very filth that must be purged.
December 10th, 2008 at 3:40 AMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
Republicans on one side, Libertarians on the other? I could deal with that.
Trust me, though, you DO NOT want Republicans and Constitution. They’d be so busy trying to “out-holy” each other, each party trying to be more Christian and more pious than the other, until eventually America would be virtually indistinguishable in a legal sense from all of the fundamentalist Muslim shitholes in the Middle East.
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
THAT was it? That was the moment when all the dignity went out of politics, when it stopped being a tug-o-war and started being a war outright– “us versus them”, Democrat vs. Republican, in a never-ending mudslinging contest?? Not JFK’s womanising, or Nixon’s spying, or Carter’s hopeless bungling, or Reagan’s insane bloating of the national debt?
It was WHEN CLINTON LIED ABOUT A BLOW JOB???
With all of the lying and cheating and bullshit that’s gone on on both sides, that is the moment that, to you, defined the time for the gloves to come off?
I am speechless. Why that particular event? Is it because oral sex was involved? Surely it isn’t because a President lied; that’s nothing new. Surely it isn’t because a President had a mistress; that’s also nothing new. Is it the “blow job” angle? Seriously, what the fuck?
Unless I’m mistaken, every single example you give here involves the Democrats. So basically, this translates to “It’s ALL the Democrats’ fault!” …. Can’t you see? You’re just continuing the problem; you’re furthering the meaningless, counterproductive, partisan mudslinging that US politics has devolved into.
Speaking as someone who reliably votes Democrat:
I am absolutely not a slave to fashion. I like old video games, not the Latest ‘N’ Greatest. I build my own computers rather than buy the latest pre-packaged shiny toy. I dress like a dork.
I am absolutely not opposed to most of the “old ways”, if by “old ways” you mean what I think you mean: Mutual respect, chivalry, strong families, commitment in relationships, fiscal responsibility, free-market capitalism. (If by “old ways” you mean “abortion was illegal and so was sodomy”, then we have a disagreement.)
I absolutely do not feel “entitled” to a certain quality of life. I have never accepted welfare. I have never received food stamps. I earn my own living, and I am damned proud of that.
I love the nation the way the Founders envisioned it: A representative democracy based on a foundation of individual sovereignty, mutual respect, hard work, and personal freedom.
Your caricature of the “left” does not resemble me, nor does it resemble ANY left-learning person I’ve ever known. Your caricature, sir, is a further part of the problem.
We are all Americans. We should be working for what we think is right; we shouldn’t be mudslinging at each other endlessly. There are real problems to be solved– and no, I’m not talking about “the other guys”.
December 10th, 2008 at 8:55 AMUsing
*sigh* Once again we see the lefty Bait and Switch on this. Instead of actually acknowledging what the real crime was, they vigorously turned it into “just a blow job” discrepancy.
I’ll say it again, and I’ll try to type slow so you can understand it….
Clinton did not just lie about a blow job. What this whole thing was that a sitting President of The United States lied to a Grand Jury in order to prevent a US Citizen (Paula Jones) from getting her rightful day in court regarding the rape charges she was bringing against him. He stone walled the Justice process in order to make sure that her case was thrown out before it got a chance to be heard which was her right as a citizen. It doesn’t matter whether you thought she was merely being a gold digger or whether you thought she was actually telling the truth. There were enough other women that could have been brave enough to come forward with their situations regarding Billy Jeff’s horn dog antics, not to mention a few Arkansas State Troopers who were his limousine service to nail his ass to the prison wall for decades, but Monica got thrown under the bus in order to keep Bubba out of the court room.
And all the Left wants to scream is it was all about a fucking blowjob.
December 10th, 2008 at 9:19 AMUsing
LC Mrs. M-ITT™-Imperial Sniper @:
Well, seen in that light, things look a little different, now don’t they?
However, where in any of this does it justify turning the US from a country “of laws, not of men” into a country of “us versus them”?
Incidentally, one thing I forgot to mention in my response to TerribleTroy: This ‘change’ that energised the left? It WASN’T a change to communism or socialism. It was a change away from Bush and his policies.
December 10th, 2008 at 9:27 AMUsing
Well-said, Troy, and entirely true.
December 10th, 2008 at 9:35 AMUsing
Unfortunately, for the left, the “change” away from Bush and his policies leaves us with basically nothing BUT socialism or communism.
To further Mrs. M’s missive: BJ Clinton 1. committed perjury (lying to a federal grand jury) 2. suborned perjury 3. obstructed justice. All of those are felonies, as I recall.
HE got away with it. Scooter Libby, unfortunately, who obstructed justice, went to jail. One Democrat, the other Republican. Imagine that.
THAT”S where a lot of the divisiveness comes from, Mayim. Democrats and the press applaud their scumbags, and even reelect them, but they DEMAND republicans apologize, resign, etc.
December 10th, 2008 at 9:45 AMUsing
Along with what Mrs. M said, you will note that Troy said it goes back, at least that far. Also, the point I believe he was making was not about the lie itself, it was the fact that everyone on the Left let it go at that, as well as trying to make it out to be nothing but a normal reaction to being accused of cheating, rather than an attempt to keep from having to face the court in the rape case.
The problem is that those policies have been misrepresented for the past 7 1/2 years. The Left and the Media (redundancy alert) have lied to the public on everything from the Iraq War to No Child Left Behind, to Bush trying to ease certain ridiculously strict water-quality standards, to just about anything else that has been done by his administration. So people wanted a change from some sort of imaginary administration, and chose another imaginary one (but one that had better PR, as in, the majority of the Media) to replace it.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:07 AMUsing
Speaking as someone who reliably votes Democrat:
I am absolutely not a slave to fashion. I like old video games, not the Latest ‘N’ Greatest. I build my own computers rather than buy the latest pre-packaged shiny toy. I dress like a dork.
I am absolutely not opposed to most of the “old ways”, if by “old ways” you mean what I think you mean: Mutual respect, chivalry, strong families, commitment in relationships, fiscal responsibility, free-market capitalism. (If by “old ways” you mean “abortion was illegal and so was sodomy”, then we have a disagreement.)
I absolutely do not feel “entitled” to a certain quality of life. I have never accepted welfare. I have never received food stamps. I earn my own living, and I am damned proud of that.
I love the nation the way the Founders envisioned it: A representative democracy based on a foundation of individual sovereignty, mutual respect, hard work, and personal freedom.
Your caricature of the “left” does not resemble me, nor does it resemble ANY left-learning person I’ve ever known. Your caricature, sir, is a further part of the problem.
If all those things are true, then why the hell are you still voting for these people? For a party that believes in “haves and have-not’s”, that wants to “spread the wealth,” that believes that business is the root of all evil in America…that wants to disarm the population in the name of stopping crime, throw Iraq to the wolves, and surrender our nationhood to the UN? (Just to name a few?)
You’re either lying, or dumber than I thought. It would be like a KKK member giving money to a synagogue.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:21 AMUsing
If Obama’s pick gets the nod, look for a pardon down the road, right about the end of Obama’s term. That’s how it’s done. Meanwhile, the complaint outlines Illinois laws allegedly broken. Blago will pardon himself of these charges before trial thus hampering the case.
If he does a day in the pokey, I’ll quit drinking beer for a month.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:23 AMUsing
L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter sez:
the seventh sign of the apocalypse. run for the hills. :em99:
December 10th, 2008 at 10:36 AMUsing
Cylarz sez:
1) Because I am a social libertarian, with a strong focus on GLBT rights. One party continually preaches that my relationships, no matter how committed, loving, or monogamous, are “sinful” and “wrong” and deserve no legal recognition, whereas YOUR relationships are wholesome and wonderful and deserve legal recognition and a myriad of legal privileges and responsibilities. I cannot bring myself to vote for the party that’s made a career out of slamming my relationships and my orientation.
2) Because I want to see the national debt going DOWN, not UP (see here). The Republican party positions itself as the party of “fiscal responsibility”, but that is a false representation; Bush, Reagan and Bush II were worse for the national debt than Clinton or Carter.
3) Because I DO believe in combating our enemies, but I do not believe in continuous foreign war. I want Osama bin Laden’s head on a pike; I do not want our boys in Iraq for the next 100 years.
Those are the three biggies I can think of off of the top of my head.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:54 AMUsing
mayim sez:
No, they’re just natural. I don’t believe an apology is owed to you here.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:23 AMUsing
mayim sez:
I was born and raised Roman Catholic. As such, I hold to the teachings of my Church, which states that homosexual acts are sinful. Having said that, I’m also a Southerner, with a good old live and let live attitude. I apply, for the most part, Jefferson’s test to such things — it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. It’s my understanding, also, that many of the “rights” the radical GLBT folks agitate for they already have; they just have to take a slightly different legal pathway to get there. Generally speaking I have no problems with anybody GLBT. What gets me fired up about it is when they rub my nose in what they do and then tell me I have to like what I smell. No, thank you.
I think you’ll find most of us agree with you on paying down and keeping down the national debt. I know I do — this is one major source of opposition to all these bailouts coming down the pike. This is also the reason, I think, that the Republicans lost their majority in 2006. They had run on a platform of fiscal responsibility but once elected and captured by the system, they essentially turned into tax-and-spend-Democrats-lite. As for Reagan, yes, his deficits were high, but look at the reason why — he had a Democratic Congress for most of his term, and if he wanted to get the money he saw was needed for the military in order to bring the Soviet Union down he had to give the Democrats a lot of what they wanted as well. This meant a lot more social spending as well. You should never let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and Reagan saw that.
War is, unfortunately, endemic to the human condition and will always be with us, I’m afraid. Also, isolationism is no longer possible in the modern world. We’re going to have to stay engaged to some degree, and in some cases that’s going to mean armed conflict. Do the United States need to get involved in every Somalia and Bosnia that comes down the pike, though? Most certainly not! Now, Iraq and Afghanistan are different cases, but having said that, I don’t think anyone wants us to be there forever. Get in, do the jobs we need to do, and get out. I don’t think we’re going to be in Iraq, with the possible exception of a base or two, for much longer. Things seem to be winding down there. Afghanistan might be a different story, but from what I read the Afghanis don’t seem to be in any hurry to stand on their own feet. My point, though, is that your position and the conservative position don’t seem to be as far apart as you seem to be thinking.
It’s my opinion that, as an example, you will be able to get far more done for the GLBT agenda in a healthy, conservative country than in one run by socialists, balkanized into many separate, disparate, groups all fighting for a ever-larger piece of an ever-dwindling pie while the middle and upper classes are slowly ground down into ruin. We’ll all be better off when the government is not run by folks who see nothing wrong with taking on trillions more in new debt to buy off one group or another or to cover up gross incompetence they committed twelve or fifteen years ago. We’ll all be better off when there are people in charge who see American military might as a priceless asset and not something to be squandered away in “peacekeeping” actions or ignored and neglected to gain a “peace dividend”.
Remember, one should never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. From what you’ve said, I think you are much more with us than against us, and there’s plenty of room over here on the conservative side.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:44 AMUsing
ALConfederate sez:
See this map?
When it’s the red states allowing gay civil unions and the blue states banning them– or, better yet, when ALL states allow them (as is the case in England, and I didn’t see anyone there complaining)– call me. We’ll talk.
Until then… Well, you say “it’s my opinion that, as an example, you will be able to get far more done for the GLBT agenda in a healthy, conservative country”, but reality (again, see the map) strongly suggests that the “conservative” states are the anti-GLBT ones, who don’t want me to have civil unions or gay marriage (and either would do, as long as legal rights are equivalent).
You talk of “live and let live”? Great. Let’s see the ‘red’ states on that map start to match that sentiment.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:51 AMUsing
You thought Carter was better? I think you need to re-read your history. Interest rates were, IIRC, 14%! This helps the economy how???? We did very well under Reagan. Very well.
It was funny. I was a graduate teaching assistant at a large, public university during the Reagan era. My colleagues bitched and moaned and whined about how AWFUL Ronaldus Magnus was for the economy. But when I walked through the faculty parking garage, I saw late-model Jags and Beemers and Rolls Royces. Yeah, he was bad for the economy, all right.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:51 AMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
I think you need to re-read this graph. As has been said many times by many people, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”.
Incidentally, the prosperity (or lack thereof) of individual citizens going up DOES NOT imply the national debt going down. Two different issues.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:57 AMUsing
I don’t need to reread the graph. I was THERE. I lived through the Carter years. It sucked big time. We had gasoline rationing, LONG lines at the pumps, 14% interest rates…
December 10th, 2008 at 12:00 PMUsing
Carter, IMO, is the very worst president in my history.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:00 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Yes, and I already said that Carter was a hopeless bungler. (Search up the page for the phrase “Carter’s hopeless bungling”).
BUT NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR NATIONAL DEBT.
I was talking about reducing the national debt, not about anything else.
Reducing the national debt is an element of good old-fashioned “fiscal responsibility”. You want it. I want it. Republicans promise it, but Republicans do not deliver it.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:01 PMUsing
mayim
You offer points and arguments with a certain elegance, I admire that, and I’ll side with you on the point that continuous mudslinging becomes detrimental to the overall health of a nation’s politics, both within and without that nation’s borders. My country is in a mess because of it…
I also agree that continuous foreign wars are not something to get involved in for just any small pretext, however, if our ennemies are found in foreign countries, there is where they have to be fought. Japan, Italy and Germany of the 40’s remind you of anything..? Wars of conquest colonial style I do not support either!
Like you, I do not want our soldiers in Afghanistan for the next 100 years (I’m Canadian), but I don’t wish to see them come back before the job of eradicating one of the world’s scourge is completely achieved. On this, both our Nations stand firm. To preach otherwise would make the sacrifices of our soldiers wasted, in vain, belittled, and you do not appear to be one to so preach all in all.
I’ll be looking forward to your comments and opinions on this blog my friend…
December 10th, 2008 at 12:02 PMUsing
If the militants agenda didn’t include ramming their belief system down everyones throat, including my children while using the court system as a toboggan I think people would be more open to the idea of civil unions. I was for civil unions until I started seeing stuff like
December 10th, 2008 at 12:03 PMthis explaining how the court system ruled it was the “duty” of the Massachusetts school system to normalize homosexuality to children, and further parents couldn’t opt out of having their children taught about it.
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mayim @ 150:
Mayim,
Off-topic, (but you already went there — as you wont to do), what do you do exactly to further the GLBT movement? (Other than whine how unfairly you are treated by everyone because of your preferences?)
On-topic: By the way, I sure everyone heard: Jesse Jackson Jr is Senate Canidiate #5 and cancel an appearance on a Chicago Radio show this morning
December 10th, 2008 at 12:05 PMUsing
xenophobic sez:
I don’t give half a rat’s ass what kids are taught, or not taught, about gay issues, as long as they are not taught to hate us.
LuckyLeo sez:
Being GLBT is not a “movement”. The GLBT “community” (and I use the term loosely) is just a loosely affiliated group of people with the sole fact in common that most of us would get branded “faggots” by many straight people. Aside from that, we have very little in common.
What do I do to help my GLBT brothers and sisters? I ensure they don’t end up homeless, by giving them loans and encouragement when life has them down. I save their lives, by talking them out of suicide. I fight again extremism on the fringes of our community. I comfort my friends when their family and coworkers call them horrible things and tell them horrible things due to them being GLBT. I patronise companies that give fair benefits to their GLBT employees’ partners. I avoid companies that don’t. That sort of thing…
December 10th, 2008 at 12:07 PMUsing
Re the 100-year comment from John McCain. I believe he was taken out of context. The left believes that he meant we were going to be AT WAR for the next 100 years. I believe he was talking about keep a military presence in the ME, as we do in Europe and Asia.
Please, those of you addressing the GBLT issues…PLEASE, I beg you…don’t get Mayim started. Nearly every thread gets hijacked by this one-trick pony, and it goes ON AND ON AND ON, ad nauseam.
Nothing will be solved, either way, and some of us would like to discuss things other than Mayim’s sexual preferences.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:09 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Unfortunately, you’re in the minority when it comes to that.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:11 PMUsing
xenophobic sez:
You’re wrong there. Just because the militant lunatics on the fringes of my community get all the press doesn’t mean that they represent a majority view.
Fred Phelps gets an awful lot of press, but I am under no delusions that he represents a majority Christian view.
I don’t know a single GLBT person who wants little kids taught about gay sex. For fuck’s sake, you really believe the majority of us want that!??
And I agree with SkyeChild; this is NOT what this thread is about. Someone asked me why I vote Democrat, and I told them. It happens to involve GLBT issues. I do not wish to hijack yet another thread.
If you want to talk about the politics of the GLBT world, email me. MayimSilverberg At Gmail Dot Com.
Otherwise, I will not respond to any more comments on that topic here. LuckyLeo et al, email if you want to discuss that topic.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:14 PMUsing
mayim sez:
Okay, that’s cool.
Now what do you do to effectively push your dream of civil unions and/or gay marriage to become a reality. I am really serious on this because you definitely want this to come true. So what do you do to help make that happen?
December 10th, 2008 at 12:16 PMUsing
Fred Phelps isn’t a Christian, that is why. Phelps is a dis-barred attorney — in fact his whole clan is made up of mostly lawyers that use their “church” aka compound to get a tax-exempt status. The whole setup is to make the most offensive statement in order to be assaulted, or stopped by permit and then sue the city.
It doesn’t matter what you “claim” to want. It has already been imposed upon the rest of us by the court system on YOUR behalf - just like the case in Massachusetts, and attempted in California.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:21 PMUsing
Sorry for the off-topic here, everyone, but it seems that whenever a thread pops up here Mayim finds a way to push it into that direction. I am just a bit curious why that is so
However, I see that mayim has taken herself back on-topic and that is cool
Now, back on topic, did I just here that Hillary just turned down the nomination to Secreatary of State because of the corruption surrounding Obama? I think I just heard that, but it had to be a joke, right?
If not: strap in guys, life is about to get very interesting (or at least it better)
December 10th, 2008 at 12:22 PMUsing
LuckyLeo
I believe Mayim bowed out on this subject… Not that I agree with everything that was said, but I’ll give her credit for stating her views politetly.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:22 PMUsing
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December 10th, 2008 at 12:24 PMUsing
LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator @ 166:
And believe me that is a first. She usually derails any thread in that direction (albeit politely — except for her anti-Christian rants, but that is neither here or there), but I am glad that she did come back on topic.
December 10th, 2008 at 12:28 PMUsing
LuckyLeo
Like I mentionned previously, I’ll be looking forward to her comments and opinions, I perceive she is a relatively rare visitor here…
December 10th, 2008 at 12:34 PMUsing
mayim @: Fuck me to tears…. you didnt read my post all that gud…. I said AT LEAST since Billy Bob (the implication being that it was that event that was a exponential escalation in the normal ignorance and acknowledged the potential for previous conduct). As for the “act” that wasnt it for me at all.. it was the statement “I didnt have sex with that women”. It was the completly idiotic “define is”, it was the fact that after that POS was found guilty of LYING under OATH he wasnt impeached and imprisioned. There is no seperation in my mind of “personal & professional” in the context of the President. It is a job where they are on duty TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY representing OUR NATION.
As far as my post being directed at you personally…. it wasnt. Im going to tell you a secret… all sterotypes are borne from TRUISM.. if there wasnt some commonality in them they couldnt be sterotypes. So I call a spade a spade and Im guilty of fueling the problem? BULLSHIT…. I’m just sharing my perception… and I think I’m pretty much on target. Urbanites have always shown disdain and pretense of being “more evolved” than those “dumb ole hicks”. You know it and I know it.
I’m not blaming this thing entirely on the DEMS…. but if there was a majority shareholder.. it would be them… You see old isnt “cool”, old isn’t “new”, old doesnt represent “change”, half these fuckers that voted for “change” had know clue what that “change” would be because it wasnt defined…. they wanted “change” because it would be “new” or they’de be “making history”.
Here’s the point… we are so far apart on so MANY issues, that it is damn near impossible to compromise. The system (due to its design) allows the entrenched extremists on both sides to have positions of “senority”, this gives us DEMS like Pelosi and provides them with a greater than the (majority moderate DEM) impact. Cause if they dont play it the Leaders way, they party (lead by the entrenched far wing persons) wount fund them or support thier endeavors. This is why I WANT TERM LIMITS. I recognize that we are “unbalanced” and that “balance” is needed to provide check.. to the extremists (that represent a minority to begin with from reaching power) But I digress…. bottom line the nation is polarized, we are out of balance, those that could fix it wont do so because it threatens thier personal power and something has to be done. If not we will cese to be what our founders envisioned and sacrificed everything to acheive, we will cease to be the land that sets the standard for freedom and truth, and fairness, and productivity. We will become something else….. and I for one LOVE MY COUNTRY AS IT IS … WARTS & ALL. And I tell you something else…. if anyone tries to take away MY COUNTRY from me and MINE…. I’m going to KILL them if I have to. I have reached that point. I am willing to use force inorder to ensure that MY way of life is maintained. If thats a “extreme” thought to you….maybe you better check your loyalty. If it was good enough for the founders to risk all …. its good enough for me. I’m nt having it… we were designed as a Capitalist Country… and we are going to stay a Capitalist country. I will not sit by while we morph into to some failed social “experiment”. If it aint broke… dont fix it… yes we need a tune up every now and then… but… I’m not changing engines…. Can you FEEL ME NOW?
December 10th, 2008 at 1:17 PMUsing
LuckyLeo,
According to the constitution, Hillary isn’t eligible anyway. But then, Jugears may not be, either, so I guess it’s all moot at this point.
I suspect the Clintons have something on Obama. He’s been a bit too eager to play ball with her, IMO.
December 10th, 2008 at 1:31 PMUsing
Skye,
I have thought so too. There is something strange going on here. Obama seems more and more a puppet, and it makes you wonder how many back door deals have gone on here, Blogo notwithstanding.
December 10th, 2008 at 1:53 PMUsing
MAYIM
When do you suppose Moveon.clownfart got founded?
Shortly after the whole Billy Jeff scandles, and the more that they demonized Ken Starr and the Evil right wingers trying to bring down the Greatest President in our countries history, the more stupid leftists i.e George Soros , Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, etc. kept funding their website, which in turn was givin to DEMS to advance their adgendas ( moveon’s agenda) why do you think these politicians every year have to go in front of moveon and the kostards and grovel at their feet and say nice things about them, and preach how evil we are. they know that if they don’t they don’t get the money , re-elected, and git to hold onto their power.
These asshole leftists started this, whilst we were busy working, BUT MARK MY WORDS….WE WILL FINISH IT. :em96:
December 10th, 2008 at 5:17 PMUsing
LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion @:
Considering mayim considers hirself more morally enlightened than God, not to mention conservatives, I found the reply to be rather disingenuous myself. And yes, it’s definitely an urban thing.
December 10th, 2008 at 5:28 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
It doesn’t take too much to be more morally enlightened than God, if by “God” you mean YHWH; all you have to do is not murder thousands of people. I consider everyone on this site to be more morally enlightened than YHWH. As far as I know, nobody here has ever murdered even -one- person.
December 10th, 2008 at 6:12 PMUsing
…But, they were all bad /Ah-nold>
Folks that just don’t understand exactly who and what our enemies are should spend some time with Memri
December 10th, 2008 at 6:33 PMUsing
Mayim,
I would appreciate it VERY MUCH (as would others here, I suspect) if you would QUIT bashing God. We all know you don’t believe, and that should be it. But this has gone on quite long enough!
Be a damn atheist if you want, but STFU about God, already. You seem to be the only one on here who’s got some crusade against Him.
December 10th, 2008 at 6:35 PMUsing
Yes, mayim, yhwh, always ignoring Christ. So we find you have a HUGE superiority complex after all; thus making your protestations of nonsuperiority ring quite hollow.
Also, what skyechild said.
December 10th, 2008 at 6:57 PMUsing
Dang it’s slow t’nite.
December 10th, 2008 at 9:21 PMMaybe some fireworks,,
Allah Fubar ya’ll….
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My community. My community?! Kreeist. If’n you don’t know, no one is taught to ‘hate’. many are taught to ’see’. Does pillar of salt git through there somehow. (That’s a metaphor, by the by). And, peanut; He ain’t got a ‘name’, but whut we gunna do? Eh?
December 10th, 2008 at 9:41 PMUsing
Oops. Bacchus blogging again. What is His name? The Lord help’d him who helps himself.
Peter’s letters are very revealing. And fairly good literature as well. (James not withtstandin’).
December 10th, 2008 at 9:57 PMUsing
Extended comment here. Too long to post here.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:18 PMUsing
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech @:
Absolutely true but, the Islamowankers are NOT the only nor the most dangerous of our enemies.
The Enemy Within are far more inimical to the survival of this Nation and its foundation than any foreign entity.
The Left has been eating away at the foundation like termites for (insert no. of decades here, min. 60). They take every opportunity to undermine our values, deride and heap scorn on patriots and the military, stultify education, degrade the culture in the name of ‘free speech’ and multiculti, rationalize (im)morality through situational ethics and pop psycho-ology, and on and on… and are the biggest tyrants, hypocrites and outright money grubbing crooks in a broad spectrum of the same.
Meanwhile, I direct your attention to our other foreign enemies, far more powerful than the Wackyturbans, the Russians, the Chinese and SOME Europeans. These sage old players are simply waiting, aiding and abetting the Nuclear Camel Jockeys, letting their fifth column in this country weaken us and tie our hands.
Destroy the Establishment Left here at home, the rest we will take care of in due course.
First things first.
Death to the Left!
December 10th, 2008 at 10:46 PMUsing
Just to be perfectly clear… that makes the left the agents of foreign powers, whether knowingly or not.
The word is T.R.E.A.S.O.N.
December 10th, 2008 at 10:52 PMUsing
Jon the Imperial Hunter sez:
Um.. Are you referring to the American left as “foreign” enemies? Cuz I didn’t see a link here, and I frankly am not quite sure who exists who’s far more powerful than the Arabs, Russians, Chinese or some Europeans, other than Americans ourselves.
You guys have completely ruined the word “treason”. It used to bring to mind acts like plotting to blow up the White House, conspiring with the other side in a war to kill Americans, stuff like that. Now, evidently, being a Democrat is an act of “treason”… and someone can be guilty of “treason” “whether knowingly or not”? Ever heard of mens rea?
You guys have watered down the term “treason” to the point where it doesn’t mean a goddamned thing. Next thing you know, you’ll be labeling anyone who disagrees with you on one or more political issues as “treasonous”.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:17 PMUsing
mayim @:
Mayim sez:
Jon said:
Purposeful obtuseness, exemplified.
Dumbass or liar, which? >Mayim further sez:
No. The proper definition and penalty for same have been out of vogue with the left for so long that the word has lost its true meaning and authority in the publik skool mind. “Us guys” know what treason means and what the penalty should be. Our contribution to this problem has been inaction…..
That’s about to change.
F.O.A.D.
By the surgically reassigned blue balls of Hera, I’m just beyond the beyond with these Obtuse, Obfuscating, Oscillating Oracles of Oblivion!!!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2008 at 11:47 PMUsing
mayim sez:
They can certainly be used, aided, and supported by foreign elements. I believe Stalin’s term for that sort was “useful idiots.” Now, being a deliberate agent of a foreign power, that’s a different story altogether…
Now now…like a Mississippi State Trooper told me one dark night on Highway 49 east of Hattiesburg when I’d been traveling a bit too fast (not on purpose, mind ya; I just didn’t know what the limit was), “Ignorance ain’t no excuse, boy.” Being a Democrat by itself may not be treasonous. Participating in activities that can assist or result in the injury or downfall of the American Republic, though, is treasonous and should be punished as such.
A lot of what’s going on today isn’t necessarily “treasonous” according to the strict definition of the term but it’s still doing damage to the country. You know — election fraud, selling Senate seats, playing fast and loose with fiscal policies, refusal to vote for impeachment of the sitting President despite clear evidence to the contrary just because he’s a member of your party and you don’t like those fools on the other side, things like that. Maybe not “treasonous” but certainly still wrong and needful of being punished.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:53 PMUsing
mayim @:138
mayim, perhaps you should review the history of the Reagan administration right after you review your Civics class. Reagan did not bloat the national debt. Think, mayim: who writes the tax bills and appropriation bills? The House of Representatives does. Which Party controlled the House of Representatives during the Reagan administration? The Democrap Party did. Which Party controlled the Senate during the Reagan administration? The Democrap Party did.
December 10th, 2008 at 11:55 PMNow, after Reagan got his mandate from the people for lower taxes, the Democrats did not have much choice than to lower tax rates. What happened to revenue collections during the Reagan administration because of the lower tax rates? Tax revenues DOUBLED.
Reagan’s being proved right about the effect of tax rates on the economy, and his use of television to communicate with the voters really pissed off the Democrats. So, when Reagan sent his budget to Congress, not only did Congress give him what he wanted, but they also threw in so much pork that the appropriation bills squealed and told Reagan to take it or leave it. The Democrats in Congress were responsible for the ballooning of the federal deficit and national debt.
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ALConfederate @:
I respectfully disagree sir…. election fraud and selling government seats is most defintely treason. Both irrepairably HARM the Nation. The first by subverting the will of the people. The second by placing not the best qualified, not the peoples choice, but the one that can pay in office…. and exactly why would one be motivated to pay a cool mil for the job anyway? Is it possible that the intent is to get into position and make thier investment back in spades? … No BOTH ARE HIGH TREASON and as such should warrant the most costly punishment (not rehabilitation time) but PUNISHMENT available.
And Mayim watered down treason? What the fuck is that? Like just being a little bit of a rapist? Is that like just getting a blow job but not having sex? Some times I really wonder about your ability to think in a logical manner. Then you surprise me with a lucid comment.. and then its back to justifications and reading motive and innuendo into other posts that are just contextually in left freaking field. Try to stay grounded ..will ya? Please?
December 11th, 2008 at 1:38 AMUsing
{cough}Ayers{cough cough}. {cough}Wright{cough cough}. Think straight and get serious. (As Good as it Gets). You fuckheads just elected treason incarnate. You think there SHOULDN’T be an armed revolution? If there isn’t, and there isn’t a genuine renaissance in 4 years, I’m out of here permanently. God damn America indeed. The penalty for treason is death. Rightly so.
Take a look back to McCarthy - that MONSTER of a man…who happened to be absolutely RIGHT. There were indeed communist operatives in the Capitol. We just elected an open communist by “getting out the vote” - which consists of convincing every uneducated MORON in the country to do so, swiping the felons, illegals, and the dead to vote for same, and getting every ineligible person that otherwise could vote to register and do so.
Whoever said the answer is to teach civics and history and economics in school? GET REAL. Government education by mandate is not only a bad system, it is designed to NOT educate. And when they DO teach civics, they teach “social justice.” When they DO teach history, they teach REVISIONIST history that is geared towards their own ends. When they DO teach economics, do you SERIOUSLY think they’re going to teach Austrian or Monetarist economics? COME ON! All they’re going to teach is social engineering and staying in the government system; no way in hell they’re going to teach ACTUAL economic principles!
I’d prefer they taught nothing at ALL in those fields than to teach the bastardized bullshit they teach now. Even if you’re dumb enough to take those subjects willingly in college, you’re not going to learn anything but the NONSENSE they already teach. Misandrist, communist, anti-American BULLSHIT. They can keep it to themselves.
December 11th, 2008 at 3:22 AMUsing
I’d have to click the “reply” button to everyone since my last with an OORAH but one. THAT one I will click, to present a very simple answer. I will highlight:
mayim @:
Right. WTF is so hard to understand? Those in violation of that are guilty of TREASON. Not some “watered down” version, but, as Troy said, High Treason. Selling Senate seats is that. Any violation of the Constitution is that, PARTICULARLY when having directly acknowledged either of those oaths. The Constitution is one of those things which should have been the primary study material in “Civics” classes. THAT is what this nation is founded on. And it’s not hard to read at all. But despite any belief in God, that is the intensifier, by design, to indicate the level of commitment to either oath. EVERY citizen should read it, understand it, and be willing to allow that commitment into their very being. Don’t like it, don’t agree with it? There’s planes, trains, ships, and automobiles leaving every day. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. If you are not willing to swear that oath, knowing the consequences should you violate it, get the fuck out of my country.
December 11th, 2008 at 3:59 AMThis does NOT violate any personal beliefs, or personal desires for existence. There are many freedoms contained therein, many freedoms guaranteed and denoted. There are many things, such as the LGBT stance, not forbidden. Just don’t violate it as it IS written. You do, you die. How fucking hard is that to understand?
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cmblake - and I don’t wish to take anything away from what you just said (mayim, answer THAT, not THIS) - but it is in direct violation of the constitution that federal involvement in “public education” and charity (welfare) exists AT ALL…there is absolutely no justification constitutionally to support those things federally, and every president that has existed since the late 1800s who has kept pouring more money into mandatory government education as well as welfare has violated that instead of properly abolishing it. On that basis alone, isn’t every one of those presidents guilty of that treason (”Any violation of the Constitution is that”)? When the HELL will the government submit to its proper and CONSTITUTIONAL ROLE which does not include these things? At this point it’s like saying, any president which does not submit to the constitution EXCEPT the roles we have deemed fit by popular fiat such as education and charity (and now healthcare and so forth) shall be guilty of treason, isn’t it?
And frankly, if we could abolish federal involvement in education, we just might stand a chance at gaining back the constitutional role of government peacefully instead of through open revolution. Would be nice.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:10 AMUsing
There was a reason that the first victims of mandatory government indoctrination (education) were escorted to “school” by armed guards against their parents’ wishes, you know.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:12 AMUsing
The only way this scandal has any legs is if it reaches Obama. With the media in the tank for Obama, I don’t see that happening. So far all Blago has been reported to have said was he wanted someone that “Was right for Illinois and right for me.” This doesn’t necessarily mean he wanted a payoff. Financial support for a future run can be construed as old fashioned ‘horse trading’. The Tribune, and the rest of the media, has been after the governor for years because he wouldn’t play ball with the powers that be. Blago’s refusal to assist the sale of the Cubs is indeed a direct result of bad publicity, but who would support a political enemy? I personally would let the Cub’s sale dangle in the wind, too. Why did the Tribune hold the story? Why did Fitzgerald spring the trap before more people got swept up in the net? Could it be Fitz wants Blago out so he can’t name a Senator? Why did Obama pull his candidate? This whole thing stinks.
I’m telling you Daley, Raum and Obama are behind this and the media is blowing it out of proportion. Even Jesse Jr. is out of Obama’s way now. Meanwhile, not one reporter has asked Obama what he knew and when did he know it. Meanwhile, Obama’s minions has been inserting themselves into departments claiming they are transitioning… horsefeathers. They knew this was coming down if they didn’t plan it themselves.
Now they are launching trial balloons for a election. Who will question Obama about how much he donates to his candidate? He does have a pile of loot left from his election.
Watch. When Blago resigns this whole thing goes away and Fitz will never release names of who offered what.
I’m telling ya, we are all being had. Don’t believe the media.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:17 AMUsing
cmblake6
I have no problem at all with either of your oaths, except of course the ’so help me God’ part.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:24 AMUsing
Thanks muchly Jon
The rest of your post gives further evidence to my position that they are the other half of the terrorist weapon.
Neutralizing them would be like wetting the powder in the terrorists flashpan.
If terr’ acts of horror actually caused us to close ranks and fight them harder with each bang, just how long would they pursue that strategy?
Well, people, notice who screeches “QUIT FIGHTING” with every bloody nose our Military gets,, and take their names.
December 11th, 2008 at 10:34 AM‘Hate to swing the wrong ones.
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LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:
Eh, call me old-fashioned. The definition of treason I was operating by was the one in the Constitution in A. III S.3: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” Now don’t get the idea I’m disagreeing with you, sir, for I most certainly agree with what you said about how all such offenses deserve the most costly punishment available, and it most definitely would NOT bother me were they added to the Constitutional or legal definition of treason.
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
I remember very well when I took that oath, and the circumstances surrounding it. That moment was one of the defining ones waaay back when in my younger days, and even though I am no longer in the US Army, I don’t recall anyone ever having said anything about me being released from that oath (not that I would want to forswear it anyway). I’m a bit older now, but still ready and willing to do what I can in defense of it.
December 11th, 2008 at 11:30 AMUsing
In the complaint at 14:
“As detailed below, in early October 2008, the government obtained information
that ROD BLAGOJEVICH was accelerating his corrupt fund raising activities…”
That sure would have torpedoed the election for Obama if that had come out before the election.
I’d like to know when the charge concerning the Tribune was learned, when the Tribune held the story, and how does Mark Cuban’s SEC complaint figure into all of this.
Did Fitzgerald hold this until after the election?
December 11th, 2008 at 11:49 AMUsing
OT:
obama’s pastor of choice has declared that on December 7th, 1941 the United States dropped a nuclear weapon on Hiroshima killing 80,000 Japanese civilians and a few days later dropped another to kill 64,000 more.
Laugh your heads off now.
December 11th, 2008 at 12:26 PMUsing
Dang, if it were true, Pearl Harbor might have been spared!
I feel sooo sorry for his flock,,,, NOT!
BTW, when Dolittle switched from high level HE drops to low level incendiary runs,, the effect was much more impressive than the two fission drops together.
Too bad it took two, the potted plant throne was in doubt as to whether it was the US or not that caused the first blast.
December 11th, 2008 at 2:52 PM‘Had to see one more before they became true believers.
Their own skepticism cost em’.
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I never took any freakin’ oaths, ALConferderate, doesn’t really matter to me if anyone else did or not.
December 11th, 2008 at 3:08 PMIf it ain’t IN Ya, then it’s just another fancy hat.
If it IS an integral part of your life then it’ll show soon enough through actions.
That’s where I put my money. Statements and farts ain’t really that far apart. ( Think about it: either one can make ya laugh or cry!)
Ain’t gone broke betting that philosophy yet.
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Um,,ALConFEDerate,,that is..
December 11th, 2008 at 3:14 PMHumble ‘pologies.
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Deathknyte @199:
Actually, it’s worse than that, DK:
December 11th, 2008 at 3:42 PMUsing
LC Aggie Sith @:
He’s most likely a product of inner-city government indoctrination camps with their revisionist history.
December 11th, 2008 at 3:50 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Oh what a nightmare that was. And there was no work. Then Reagan came in and boy did the good times ROLL. The stock market collapsed one Thursday and the papers/tv was going nuts, it’s a new depression - haha! Nothing happened; things just kept getting better lol. You had to deliberately TRY to be unemployed, and it didn’t require degrees or even a diploma.
And that, mayim, is the rising tide that lifts ALL boats, including your gay boat (I still don’t get it - does that mean you go with men or women?) and it is sheer foolishness to think that poverty and ruin will help you because at least you have gay marriage. Utterly foolish. Raca.
At the risk of repeating myself, what is this oath? I am sorry if I already asked; I was a little tipsy last night.
December 11th, 2008 at 3:56 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
…Women, yeesh.
I am a woman; I am gay; therefore I dig women.
I don’t know what a “gay boat” looks like, but I’d imagine it’s faaaaaaaabulous…
December 11th, 2008 at 4:32 PMUsing
I believe that would be called a ferry. :em02:
December 11th, 2008 at 4:52 PMUsing
Yep, Carson Kressley helps decorate them, and he knows from fabulous.
The other stuff just confuses me; last time I heard a man say he was a lesbian trapped in a man’s body, it was a comedian, and first you told me what kind of guys you like, then you said you were bi, so I dunno, I need a program to keep up with it. It’s disturbing that you would vote ruination on an entire country just because you think it will help you get married; marriage will do you a lot of good when there’s no jobs and no money and there’s rioting in the bread and soup lines. You really need to study economics - for real. And some things you call rights aren’t rights at all, which is a very serious problem. I don’t know who is stopping you from forming legally binding contracts with someone, but if that is actually the case, it is genuinely wrong; no one should stop consenting adults from forming contracts between one another.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:57 PMUsing
LC Gunsniper sez:
*rimshot* :em93:
LC AnnieMcPhee: We can talk about this via email if you’d like. I’m trying to get better about staying on-topic.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:01 PMUsing
The boat thing is on topic. A rising tide lifts all boats; that you are willing to trade the entire economy and even the premise of the free market, which is the only hope we REALLY have of maintaining any liberty, just to have a wedding, is quite disturbing. I don’t know who is stopping you from forming a civil contract, but as I say, if it’s going on it should stop. An economically ruined people do not have time to worry about that shit - all they have time for is slaving day and night to forge the chains that bind them and get a bite to eat or a bit of warmth. A prosperous people are not very concerned about whether their neighbors go at it like bonobo chimps behind closed doors. You’re voting just as much against your own interests as everyone else’s, but I realize you don’t understand this yet. It’s time to study. You can start with Hayek or von Mises, but do it. As a matter of fact, you could even start with 2 books that take only a couple hours each to read, and you’ll know more than most college grads about it - Richard Maybury’s “Whatever Happened to Penny Candy?” and “Whatever Happened to Justice?” by Bluestocking Press. My daughter read those when she was 13 and could hold her own in a debate with people who had master’s degrees in economics; and it just whets your appetite for more.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:21 PMUsing
Annie, I like you, but you’re sadly mistaken if you think I am going to vote against my own interests. Look at this map and tell me if you see the pattern.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:31 PMUsing
Wright is from Hawaii.
Aggie, I was going off from memory, I heard about it on my way home from my last Anthropology class. The instructor decided to talk crazy for the last week of class. Global warming and the dangers of globalization crap. We should just enslave the rest of the world and be done with it. (I would even let Caspian have Fabio. (Yeah, I don’t like Fabio.))
Oh, Caspian? Stop trying to force your morality on me. My state voted and the decision was that Marriage would only be between a man and a woman. It was our decision, respect it. End of discussion.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:42 PMUsing
If I’m not mistaken, Fabio is a guy. I’m mostly into girls. You keep forgetting that. And why would I “respect” a decision I don’t believe you have the ethical right to make? “Marriage” to you is is a word with a religions meaning; “marriage” to me is a CIVIL CONTRACT granted by the government outside of any religious context, and you are denying me the right to a secular, private, CIVIL CONTRACT with the person I love. I believe you have no moral right to do such a thing. Keep your goddamned (pun not intended) religion; I’m not asking for religious benefits. I’m asking for the right to establish a secular, private contract. Period, full stop, end of sentence. I’m NOT asking for your goddamned church to marry me off and I certainly don’t give a good god-damn what your kids are taught in school about it.
I’d like to keep this thread on-topic, but sorry, if you are going to snipe at me, I’m going to respond.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:51 PMUsing
mayim, I really don’t know why you never seem to comprehend what people are saying to you. You’ve ALREADY voted against your own interests, and I pretty much explained why. That which brings an entire country to economic ruin is in NO ONE’S interest including gay people. It’s really pretty simple.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:52 PMUsing
Deathknyte @212:
Heh…no problem, DK. Just wanted to emphasize the sheer stupidity of the man. Not that we needed reinforcement of the fact. :em95:
As an holder of a higher degree in Anthropology, all I can say to you is….
ESCAPE!! ESCAPE!! ESCAPE!! :em01:
December 11th, 2008 at 5:54 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
Because we’re looking at the world through different perspectives, and it’s very difficult to communicate across such a tremendous cultural/moral divide. You see ‘marriage’ as a religious thing; I see it as a secular institution maintained by the state. You see the Democrats as traitors guilty of nothing less than treason, of collaborating with America’s enemies; I do not. And so on, and so on, and so on.
Firstly, I am not convinced that the Democrats will “bring [the] entire country to economic ruin”. Not by a long shot.
Secondly, as I’ve already said, I’d rather be poor and free than rich and a second-class citizen. Don’t like it? Fix the fucking map. Notice the difference on that map between “blue” states and “red” states…
People on this site talk a lot about libertarianism, and a lot about “live and let live”, but that map just doesn’t back up those ideals.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:59 PMUsing
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then stop calling it marriage, a contract and a marriage are two completely different things.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:14 PMUsing
Except I manage to have discussions with people who have completely different lenses than I do - such as feminists, atheists, et. al. and we manage to understand one another. We may not like each other very much (or at all), but we take the time to learn what the other is saying so that we don’t sound like idiots when we argue back.
That’s because you don’t comprehend the subject. And naturally it depends if they actually DO what they say they’re going to do, or if they’re just in there for the glory and the lifestyle. We don’t know which Obumbles is yet. McGreevey didn’t do a whole lot of harm here because he was more interested in his stolen luxuries and his liaisons. Commie Corzine is doing a fuck of a lot of damage because he’s an ideologue who meant what he said, and is ruining our economy. But if you believe socialism is a tenable economic system, you really need to get off the net and start reading. Or at least read the right things online. I’ve given you two good books that do not take much time to read; I seriously suggest doing so.
That is not possible; it’s a ludicrous proposition, and if it really isn’t clear WHY, then it will become so when you’re more versed in the subject. Trust me, read. You just don’t know how silly this stuff sounds when you’re looking at it from the other side. Freedom is not the government owning your property and telling you how much you’re allowed to make before you have to give the rest away. Economic ruin for a nation, which has little to do with you personally not having much money, but is a far worse thing, is not freedom and is not compatible with freedom, and it is plain evil of you to vote to ruin everyone in the name of a hypothetical wedding. Which you won’t get anyway; you’ll be too busy trying to survive. That isn’t freedom either.
Do you ever think it might have been better, if you really want to marry a woman, to have left your junk intact? I mean, everything else sure (hormones, clothes, implants), but maybe just that? Only because you could have done the whole marriage thing then legally? Did you know you wanted to marry a woman before you did it?
December 11th, 2008 at 6:15 PMUsing
As I see it, the rich have the wherewithal to see that this country STAYS free. They work hard, they invest, and they keep the economy going. The po’ are too busy demanding entitlements and suckling at the government teat. Those are the ones who are more easily subjugated.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:27 PMUsing
I’ll take poor abandoned Fabio.
Wait. What does he look like now? Because it’s not like I’m going to have an intellectual conversation with him.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:33 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Even if they’re not demanding anything, then they’re too busy trying to merely survive to worry about these frilly issues, aren’t they? And what we’re talking about is a leap into serious socialism, which is comprised of the government stealing not only our property but our liberty, and causing great poverty the likes of which we haven’t seen here since the great depression, and worse. There is no such thing as being “poor and free” when the government caused the poverty by taking freedom and property, even if there were really such a thing as being a poverty-stricken but free people, which there isn’t. A poverty-stricken people who are free do not remain poverty-stricken for long at all; it just doesn’t work that way.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:34 PMUsing
Fabio???Ick…
With all the other choices you have?????
December 11th, 2008 at 6:35 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
You’re a woman too; you tell me! If you had to have a penis for the rest of your life just so you could marry your loved one (say, a guy, in your case), would YOU?
December 11th, 2008 at 6:40 PMUsing
I hear he’s looking at nasal upgrades,, poor guy got his honker whacked by a honker.
I’m sure there’s enough else to work with ‘Worker!
December 11th, 2008 at 6:42 PMUsing
Well I don’t think there’s anything wrong with penises; but since I’ve never had one I can’t say I would want to own one now; so I really can’t answer that. It’s just very very hard to understand becoming a woman in order to marry one; is it really hard to understand why other people don’t understand it? Why not make the most of it since you did it, and marry a guy; I know you swing that way too; there’s got to be someone out there for you.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:44 PMUsing
‘Wouldn’t be caught without it.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:47 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
Because that’s not what I did. I became a woman because I wanted to be a woman; who I want to marry has nothing to do with it. The one has nothing to do with the other. Nobody “becomes a woman in order to sleep with women”; that’s retarded. I slept with plenty of women prior to my surgery; I certainly didn’t need a vagina to “score” with another! (Christ, what a ridiculous idea.)
That’s rather insulting. You’re basically suggesting that I choose someone to marry based on convenience and not, well, who I actually fall in love with. I may not be “old-fashioned” in a lot of ways, but I am old-fashioned in that I believe that you should marry for love, not for convenience or social expeditiousness. If I finally find my soulmate, I wish to be able to marry them– regardless of gender or sex. And there’s a greater chance that the person I finally end up with will be, in fact, female.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:49 PMUsing
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December 11th, 2008 at 6:54 PMI would very much like for the liberals to point out ONE country where socialism has worked, and made the people happier and the country more prosperous.
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LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
I am not a socialist. I probably make more than most of you do. I work for a publically traded corporation in the private sector, I have never accepted welfare, and– Dog willing– I never will. I believe in personal responsibility, the free market, and capitalism.
It’s astonishing how many people assume I’m a socialist just because I refuse to vote for the party of “God, Guns and [anti-]Gays” (because of the “God” and “Gays” parts; the “Guns” part is fine!).
December 11th, 2008 at 6:55 PMUsing
Might make a good John Waters movie.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:00 PMUsing
Your income doesn’t determine what makes you socialist. Barack Obama makes more than I do, too, and he is the leading advocate of socialism in this country.
You may not be a socialist, yourself, but you do support a party which advocates wealth redistribution and nationalization of industry, both of which are tenets of socialism.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:01 PMUsing
No, I’m not suggesting you marry for expeditiousness, but you went through all the trouble and pain of becoming a woman, why waste it marrying a woman when you could have done that before?
I absolutely believe in love (I don’t think you fit any definition of old-fashioned, but ok) but love isn’t a fucking virus. You don’t just catch it. You have (or you should have) control over your emotions; you don’t have to just accidentally fall in love with someone. The eyes meeting across a crowded room bullshit is just that. If you want to love a man, and you know you are capable of this, then that is something you are able to allow, while not allowing other possibilities. There are many reasons people have for allowing themselves to love one person and not another - for example some people just accidentally “fall in love” with someone who likes to use his/her fists on the other person, and your emotions are just not the point there. You should not allow yourself to fly off the emotional handle until you know what someone is about (which is one reason the success rate of arranged - not forced - marriages is SO MUCH HIGHER than our success rate for marriages here, or didn’t you know that?) and ruling out certain categories for the possibility of love is not a bad thing to do, for heaven’s sake. You don’t want to live like an out-of-emotional control basket case; take some responsibility for your passions and don’t just blow with the wind. Whether or not you decide to go with women or men, that is still good advice.
Example: I have a long-time family friend who could not live with her husband any longer. Their kids were grown up (almost) and he just would not stop drinking and using up the money, though he had at least quit beating her many years ago when her brother threatened him with a shotgun. At any rate, she chose not to divorce him and maintains a friendly relationship with him; she doesn’t *believe in divorce* morally. So people sometimes ask her “Well what if you happen to fall in love with someone and you’re not free?” and she laughs. All these years later she laughs still. That is simply not going to happen - she also doesn’t believe in the eyes across a crowded room, not being able to help yourself, just catching passion/love like catching a damn disease, just “falling” into it - she is simply not looking, it is not an option for her, and thus it does not and will not happen. She is in control of her life. It’s a good thing to be.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:05 PMUsing
When the party you support takes your money because you make too much; tells your company how much to pay you, and you lose your job as a result; when you are forced to ride the bus or walk everywhere because your party has nationalized the oil industry and bankrupted the coal industry; when your landlord has to put you out on the street because of higher taxes; when you are forced into “managed care” and told what doctor you MUST see and what tests you can have, under threat of jail time,
I suppose that for you, it all won’t matter as long as you can “marry” another woman. That’s sad, really.
This is the future that we are all afraid of.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:08 PMUsing
anonymous hourly worker sez:
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December 11th, 2008 at 7:08 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun @:
Word. Word word word.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:09 PMUsing
Well I don’t think there’s anything wrong with penises; but since I’ve never had one
December 11th, 2008 at 7:16 PMcould have been phrased better
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DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
I agree that Fitzgerald moved now because of the Senate situation. Indeed, he admitted that in the press conference the other day by saying he would rather move now than have the highest bidder or the proxy of the highest bidder in the Senate until 2010.
It is the fear that either Obama (unlikely) or one (or more) of his top aides (far more likely) will get implicated by a cooperative Blagojevich that leads me to believe the the investigation will ultimately disappear. If Fitzgerald were to be taken out of the decision loop, I would expect the end to come as a quid pro quo, with Blagojevich leaving office and public life early in exchange for no indictment. While he was THE target of this particular branch of the Fitzgerald investigations up until November, the repeated attempts to sell the appointment to someone or several in the Obama camp makes whoever was discussing the appointment with him probable targets.
The fact that the attempts were repeated over the course of weeks strongly suggests that a person or persons in the Obama camp that were discussing Obama’s replacement with Blagojevich were at least open to selling. Now, did Obama know anything about the attempted sale? There’s nothing in the complaint or Obama’s statements the last couple days that suggests that. Could every person in the Obama camp Blagojevich and his people talked to have shut things down when they became aware that Blagojevich was trying to sell the seat? Perhaps, but doubtful. I will note that the complaint, by necessity, did not include every taped conversation either Blagojevich or Harris had regarding the seat, and that the investigation into the unnamed “others” is ongoing.
Indeed, if things progress to the point of an impending actual indictment of Blagojevich, I expect him to try to implicate as many people in the Obama camp as he thinks he can get away with implicating, whether or not it would amount to so much as the proverbial ham sandwich. He still thinks he can get out of this without any time served, and the only way I see that happening is if the investigation gets shut down before an actual indictment comes down. The implications card is something Obama can ill afford to have happen if he were interested in having continued Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress come 2011, even if everybody Blagojevich tries to implicate is innocent; just take a look at the blogosphere for the proof of that.
I will concede that if everybody in the Obama camp is innocent, they may take the gamble and let this run its natural course all the way to Blagojevich’s (likely) conviction. Obama is, after all, all about Obama, and a formal clearing of his camp would be a plus in 2012. A grand jury may also decide to come back quickly with an indictment before January 20, which would throw just about everything into flux.
I don’t believe, at least at this point, that everybody in the Obama camp is innocent (which is not to say that I would vote to convict based on what little is out there, even if I knew names). While I did say that Blagojevich won’t be quiet long enough for a post-trial pardon/commutation, a pre-trial pardon cannot be ruled out in that case if things get that far. Yes, it will smell worse than simply having a new US Attorney “quietly” deep-sixing the investigation, but the voters have short memories. By the time 2012 rolls around, far more people will forget a sleazy and abrupt end to this with no trials and no convictions that happened 3 years prior than a drawn-out multiple trial/conviction/appeal process ultimately involving senior Obama aides that may not end until 2011.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:18 PMUsing
Well, as I said before, I don’t believe for an instant that Obama didn’t know anything about this. I think he knew perfectly well what was happening. If he really didn’t, then he’s not as smart as those on the left believe he is.
EVERYONE knows what goes on in Chicago politics…and Obama has NO CLUE???? Yeah, and the Pope is Jewish, too.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:13 PMUsing
C’mon skye child, they’re just guys at the office, he doesn’t KNOW them. Guys in the neighborhood, behind the pulpit, in the capitol - they’re all just sort of there; he doesn’t really know them. They seemed ok; how could he have suspected they were really racist, terrorist crooks? Tsk tsk, so unfair. He made it from nowhere right to the top, in Chicago, without knowing anyone.
LOL :em01:
December 11th, 2008 at 8:18 PMUsing
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December 11th, 2008 at 8:35 PMAck, Annie. You’re right! What was I thinking? How dare I question him? He’s the Magic Negro, the messiah, the savior of the world! Clean! Articulate!
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Well, will ya looky here:
Complaint Suggests Obama Might Have Caught Wind of Blagojevich Dealings
Here’s the money quote…from Bob Beckel, no less:
I think Bambi should do himself and the country a favor and step down NOW. That will save us the trouble and money of having to impeach him later.
Spin away, Democrats. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.” (Sir Walter Scott)
December 11th, 2008 at 8:54 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun @:
December 11th, 2008 at 9:10 PMThey have two little girls.
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I’m looking for shrillery’s seat to be posted on craigs list anytime now.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:13 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Try reading the very next sentence (emphasis mine):
In fact, as has been reported in multiple places, Blagojevich referred to Obama as a “motherfucker” in his affidavit (!!!), so it can hardly be said that the two men were on good terms.
What’s more, at least one source (the first one I looked at, here) said that it was Rahm Emanuel himself who blew the whistle on Blago in the first place! Money quote:
It certainly doesn’t look like Obama was buddy-buddy with this guy.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:17 PMUsing
The point is, Mayim, that Obama claims not to have known ANYTHING about it, which is appearing more and more to be a bald-faced lie.
Even if it WERE Emanuel, you don’t really think he wipes his butt without the Messiah knowing about it, do you? I expect to see Emanuel under the bus any day now.
Spin away, Democrats. The grave is getting deeper by the day.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:23 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
It probably IS a bald-faced lie. Time will tell. Only one thing’s for certain: The next few months are going to be interesting.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:28 PMUsing
Greedy meets Chinzy.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:41 PMUsing
Oh holy hell. Barack the clean-and-articulate MESSIAH complaining about self-aggrandizement? Are you KIDDING me? The man who wrote two MEMOIRS before he ever DID anything? The man who’s on coins and plates and who kicked reporters off his plane to make room for the DOCUMENTARY crew? Is he fucking serious?
That’s. too. fricking. rich.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:41 PMUsing
Here is an excellent and thought-provoking piece on this whole scandal, seen from the other side of the aisle.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:45 PMUsing
HuffPo??? HUFFPO?!?! Yeah, the tenor of that piece? Makes me want to punch that fucking guy right in the taint.
December 11th, 2008 at 9:51 PMUsing
LC AnnieMcPhee sez:
So “vicious, merciless, sarcastic and furious”, as is the norm here on the Rott, is okay, but “condescending and wisecracking” is bad?
I don’t think you have a problem with the tone so much as with the viewpoint… I mean, the Rott does “condescending and wisecracking” every alternate Tuesday…
December 11th, 2008 at 9:55 PMUsing
Haha! QFT, actually. The guy’s an idiot asshole and him being condescending when he’s wrong (in pretty much everything he believes) to those who aren’t wrong, is obnoxious as hell, yes. And I really wanted to mention punching someone in the taint, especially since I’ve been hearing the word so much and the way he used it was annoying.
December 11th, 2008 at 10:09 PMUsing
Also, I am a bit annoyed that I looked at it, after hearing that it was “excellent” and “thought-provoking” when what it really was was typical leftist tripe that you now acknowledge was condescending and wise-cracking instead. Being suckered like that is not my favorite thing.
December 11th, 2008 at 10:12 PMUsing
Waaaayyyyy OT, but my evening is MADE. I just read that not only is Tom Selleck a Republican, but he is also on the board of directors of the NRA. :em93:
How come I didn’t know this earlier?
Republican, NRA, and HAWT. Jackpot!
December 11th, 2008 at 10:35 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
you talkin’ about me?, I’m already taken…… :em93:
December 11th, 2008 at 10:53 PMUsing
jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery sez:
Unfortunately, Jay, the good ones usually are. :em12:
December 11th, 2008 at 11:09 PMUsing
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
Oh Geeeez….now I need a cold shower and a cigarette. :em95:
December 11th, 2008 at 11:11 PMUsing
Hey, Erinabq,
If you happen to drop in to this thread, email me at skyechild12345 at gmail dot com. I got something to tell ya…
Remember what we discussed the other night on IM? :em02:
December 11th, 2008 at 11:12 PMUsing
Mrs. M,
Now if we could just get Sam Elliott to join the NRA and become Republican (no clue as to what he is), we’d really hit the jackpot! He’s already got the hotness.
December 11th, 2008 at 11:13 PMUsing
Sam Elliott?
I admit I’m a guy, but i don’t think he has qualified for sex symbol status since he was in “Mask” that was 1980-something or may be Lonesome Dove.
IMO he looks like he was “rode hard and put away wet”
Ted
December 12th, 2008 at 12:38 AMUsing
Sam who?
December 12th, 2008 at 12:42 AMUsing
I’m sorry, Sam Elliott was not in Lonesome Dove.
Skye, you may be showing your age, thinking they are hot.
I’m 41 and Sam and Tom are both old enough to be my dad.
Ted
December 12th, 2008 at 2:12 AMUsing
I am so trite, but the hottest guys (post-John Travolta - before his first comeback; talking the sweathog, Grease, SNF days) in my book are still Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise. Going back, it’d have to be Christopher Plummer - he was amazingly hot in the Sound of Music. Ohhhhh be still my heart.
The Selleck types? Fabio? Not even a flutter.
Intellectual attraction? Gary Sinise and even John Malkovich. Heh. (And hey, Gary Sinise is a patriot, too.)
Lastly, the very rare time I like a huge musclebound fellow? Vin Diesl. In Triple X. The chick in that wasn’t too shabby either
Oh one more - Adam Storke. He was just beautiful. http://www.adamstork.....stand1.GIF
December 12th, 2008 at 4:07 AMUsing
Ah, good to see another fan of the cinematic virtuoso Waters. I will have to say it’s disturbing how much of his muse he lost with the passing of the sublime thespian Devine.
It is with his inspiration that myself, BC and the Major are currently working on an electronic version of Scratch n Sniff Cards™ for our links. Once perfected (with Dave’s help) this astonishing feature will accompany our links to everyone’s benefit! :em69:
December 12th, 2008 at 8:28 AMUsing