Comment by LC Gunsniper

:em01:

Most corrupt administration EVER! (and not even sworn in yet! :em99: )

December 13th, 2008 at 2:30 PM
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Comment by Hephaestus-forger of steel

It appears that the mask of the statesman has fallen off the O’Bumbles” and we get to see the mean and nasty little brat liar and all his rotten friends for what they really are. :em01: As much as these next four years are going to hurt all of us, it is going to be a real treat watching these clown poseurs dance around in the center ring, spot light centered on their little cabal, and nohwere for them to run and hide. Adults in the grandstands, children running the circus :em95:

December 13th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
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Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion

Aint that some shit? I mean he’s getting “regular” death threats? Wonder what he’s going to do when he gets some irregular death threats? What goes around… comes around….Whats the cliche’? If you cant run with the big dogs…stay on the porch! Which comes to think about it is exactly what this mutt reminds me of … one of those little ankle bitters that barks and then runs away at the first sign of real conflict….. and thinking about it even further… that description fits the majority of “progressive’s” I’ve run across.

December 13th, 2008 at 3:31 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator sez:

Now if only The Emperor would let himself go a bit and say what he really thinks…

I was just gonna say the same thing about YOU! :em95:

December 13th, 2008 at 3:53 PM
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Comment by LC Aggie Sith

And, by the way, where was your outrage when Joe the Plumber was subjected to similar treatment and worse simply because he’d had the nerve, nerve to ask your nutless empty suit of a Jug-Eared Marxist Freak Candidate an honest question that your neophyte dumbass Anointed One couldn’t answer without shooting himself in both feet?

My point exactly on yesterday’s thread. Never said a peep about how Joe was being treated. Probably making sure his Chicago thug tactics were nicely covered in a thin veneer of respectability. :em58:

As always, “good for thee, but not for me” mentality of the left…proudly on display. :em38:

December 13th, 2008 at 5:04 PM
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Comment by Cheryl

Awww poor widdle Ramhm. It was A-OK when you were sending out the dead fish suprise parcels. :em72: Looks like you got one dropped in your lap, a big stinkin’ carp at that. :em01: :em99: :em01: :em99:

And The Annointed One is still singing the same tired one note: “I didn’t know nuthin.” The :em72: MSN :em72: is still going along with this unbelievable crap. I’m almost looking forward to The Ascension of The One in January. It should be entertaining when he can’t come up with the handouts he was promising to his ignorant followers with no “change” to their miserable lives.

I think even Caligula would be disgusted with this bunch of misfits and pervs. :em38:

December 13th, 2008 at 5:20 PM
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Comment by mayim

I never liked Rahm. I don’t like wannabe tough-guys. And as this story shows, he was indeed just a wannabe tough guy!

Even HuffPo is making Rahm look like an asswad: check it out.

Pathetic.

December 13th, 2008 at 6:23 PM
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Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

Seems he can dish it out just fine…but when it comes to taking it….. I honestly hope he runs into somebody just like himself, but meaner, tougher, and most of all, unforgiving. Whining little puke! :em38:

December 13th, 2008 at 7:22 PM
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Comment by LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician

It’s all such bullshit. Commie pos’s don’t seem to realize where they are. This. Is. America!!!!!!! :em96:

December 13th, 2008 at 7:42 PM
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Comment by LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator

sig94

Your #15. Pure poetry Sir, pure poetry indeed! Damn, I wish I could come up with stuff like that!

December 13th, 2008 at 8:38 PM
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Comment by 1oldleg

Its all fun and games until someone gets an eye put out, and then its fuckin’ hilarious!

And I’m feelin’ the love here tonight boys and girls!

But seriously, all this could go away on 21 January when Jugears fires all the U.S. Attorneys. Think he won”t? Blago is gonna sing like a canary when he figures out they ain’t no tennis courts at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. Juggsy’s only hope to avoid indictment is to make Fitzgerald go away before a trial gets underway.

What sounds better, Blagogate or ass fucked by Bubba? Kind of a toss up.

December 13th, 2008 at 8:58 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

1oldleg @:
I don’t think he would dare fire Fitz. It would look very suspicious indeed if he did.

December 13th, 2008 at 9:35 PM
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Comment by fierycelt

I have to admit feeling some degree of vindication regarding the current situation with the Governor of Illinois.
Typical business as usual —- Most people who voted for Obama haven’t a clue as to the political milieu in Illinois and the pervasiveness of the Democratic Chicago machine politics.

For most Chicagoans, Politics was and is a spectator sport—
Back when Chicago was a real newspaper town, we cut our teeth on the likes of Mike Royko and Irv Kupcinet, as they regaled us with satiric tales of the Machine and it’s players.
Unfortunately, most Chicagoans also know that it was impossible to get a fair hearing when dealing with the city unless you have the means to pay off the politicians, the police or the judges.

“If indicted, Gov. Blagojevich would be the fifth of the last eight elected Illinois governors to be charged with a crime.

If he is sent to jail, the fourth to serve time. Since 1971, 1,000 Illinois public servants have been convicted of corruption, and in Chicago, 30 aldermen have gone to jail.”

Obama is a product of this corruption— Obama worked for Blagojevich, and his wife, Michelle Obama, worked for Daley. Obama endorsed Blagojevich in his two gubernatorial runs and was among his key advisers during his first bid, in 2002.

Lest we forget, Michele Obama got a $200,000 pay raise and a promotion just before Obama gave her employer Blackwell , a one million dollar earmark of government business.
Sounds just like the Blagojevich asking for Obama’s connections in getting his wife on a board follows a pattern. —Obama had done it before.

Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel filled Blagojevich’s vacated congressional seat— also the former seat of indicted and corruption ridden Dan Rostenkowsi (Pardoned by Clinton)
The US Senatorial leading incumbent candidate , Peter Fitzgerald “surprisingly” decided against running for a second Senate Term.
Essentially this left Obama unopposed in his run for the US Senate, against a token non-resident Republican, Alan Keyes..

It seems like U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald’s ongoing investigation was precipitously interrupted, before a larger probe would lead to more Chicago/Washington, D.C. connections.
Some one obviously tipped off Obama’s Camp. (Likely David Axelrod and his Chicago Tribune connections)
Note: Illinois TV station’s (KHQA) November 5th report of an Obama-Blagojevich meeting on that date was yanked from the Internet after observers noted that it proved Obama was lying when he said he hadn’t met with Blagojevich

We also need to remember that United States AG Patrick Fitzgerald is working an obviously thwarted investigation and Illinois AG Lisa Madigan (also works for the Illinois/Chicago Democratic machine)
In fact, Lisa Madigan’s father, Congressional Rep Michael Madigan is one of the most influential and connected, Machine power brokers in Illinois in his roles of Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives and Chairman of the Democratic Party of Illinois.

Obama knows that he is sh*t-deep into the Blagojevich Senate seat “Pay to Play” scheme; after all, it is Obama’s Senate seat that is being auctioned to the highest bidder.
Obama didn’t defeat and/or collude with the Clinton machine, the Republican Party and raise almost a billion dollars in private contributions by being un-savvy and not realizing the importance of information, nor did he get to prominence without the backing/blessing of the Chicago Democratic party.—
The investigation was prematurely ended because ultimately all roads lead to the Democratic Machine and Richie Daley, Michael Madigan and golden boy Barack Obama along with his entourage.

Obama knew full well what was going on, and being true to form he treated Blagojevich like he did the racist Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his entire church congregation,, the slumlord/convicted felon Tony Rezko (major Obama Senatorial campaign contributor), Father Michael Pfleger , Jim Johnson ( former Head of Fannie Mae): Robert Malley and Hamas Supporter; Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, Samantha Power (foreign policy advisor) – when the political limelight focuses on his rat pack , Barack does the Obama slimy quick step and throws them all under the bus to avoid tainting his contrived political persona—

Undoubtedly, the word to cut Blagojevich came from the Obama camp and the the Illinois Democratic Political Machine ( namely Michael Madigan and Richie Daley) as it became evident that the Governor was becoming increasingly careless and unstable, thereby jeopardizing Obama and Illinois political insiders.

You had better believe that Rahm Emmanuel and David Axelrod (Former Washington and Daley machine adviser ) will also become road kill as their involvement with Blagojevich and other corruptions, with the likes of Tony Rezko, come to light.

Admittedly Rod Blagojevich is incredibly stupid, (everyone in Illinois knows you don’t talk deals over the telephone) but he is also has very capable skills of self-preservation. He has publicly burned his own father-in-law, Alderman Dick Mell in his bid to further himself politically.

You had better believe that John Harris (former Daley adviser) and Blagojevich will sing like canaries about the involvements of Obama and and the Democratic Party in the corruption.

Expect a plea deal for both to forestall these revelations from being known the public—- The front needs to be maintained.

“fiery celt”
(former Chicagoian)

December 13th, 2008 at 9:42 PM
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Comment by LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator

LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion

That he would speak his fear to a complete stranger indicates the measure of his fortitude…. sad sad sad….

Or, in this case, lack thereof Sir…

LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

He did swung though, gotta give him that.

Might I, Sir, ask what the outcome of his “swinging” was, although I am pretty certain as to what that piece of stupidy brought the man…

December 13th, 2008 at 9:52 PM
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Comment by LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator

Radical Redneck

You’ve been rumaging through BC’s family album again I see… :em99:

December 13th, 2008 at 9:54 PM
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Comment by LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator

kwongdzu

does anyone here honestly believe that nobody has threatened to kill this bastard before?

One can only hope Sir…

December 13th, 2008 at 10:20 PM
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Comment by Alan K. Henderson

Obama is not Jimmy Carter - Carter’s cronies got into legal hot water AFTER Jimmeh’s inauguration.

I’m in the mood to listen to Chicago’s city anthem.

December 13th, 2008 at 10:45 PM
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Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

And, by the way, where was your outrage when Joe the Plumber’s Helper was subjected to similar treatment and worse simply because he’d had the nerve, nerve to ask your nutless empty suit of a Jug-Eared Marxist Freak Candidate an honest question that your neophyte dumbass Anointed One couldn’t answer without shooting himself in both feet?

There, fixed it for you. He is a plumber’s helper, not a plumber. I suppose he could have called himself “Joe the Accountant” too, but it would have had the same end result: he might be able to count to ten, but he ain’t no accountant.

Joe lied. He posed a question that had no basis in reality, and you expected an answer that fit all plumbers?

Now he hocks television converters and someone ghost-wrote a “tell-all” book about his life on the McCain campaign — all fifteen minutes of it.

And he “felt dirty”.

On Glenn Beck’s show he told us that, “I like to think I’m a little more educated than some out there in politics just because it is interesting to me.”

:em01:

Let’s get back to talking about how “corrupt” Illinois is, shall we?

It turns out that Illinois isn’t the most corrupt state in the country when it comes to guilty officials. It isn’t even in the top five.

Nope, it ranks only seventh, with 502 convictions. Who is number one? That would be Florida, with 824 convictions between 1998 and 2007. New York follows with 704, and Misha, your state comes in number three with 565 convictions.

Granted, the numbers don’t take into consideration per capita — that is shown here:

Illinois came in at number 22 with four convictions out of one million residents. (Alaska, Sarah Palin’s state, was double that with 7.9 convictions per one million.)

So it is really kinda silly for you to continue with that meme that Illinois is this bastion of corruption and that every person, every politician that comes out of Illinois is a crook, or dirty.

The numbers tell a different story.

December 13th, 2008 at 11:29 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

So it is really kinda silly for you to continue with that meme that Illinois is this bastion of corruption and that every person, every politician that comes out of Illinois is a crook, or dirty.

We haven’t said this AT ALL. What we HAVE been saying is that everyone in the Chicago political system is corrupt. It’s well-known all over the state that it’s harder than heck to get elected unless you play by the “machine’s” rules.

Dave,
On this one, you need to defer to people who actually KNOW the system. Your boy is in :em72: up to his Jugears. He’s well-versed and well-steeped in the system. He wouldn’t have gotten where he is had he not been. You know the saying, “we’re known by the company we keep.”

Deny it all you want. He’s as corrupt as they come.

December 14th, 2008 at 12:22 AM
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Comment by LC Subotai Bahadur

Certain things are constants in life. Those who espouse and fight for authoritarian socialism; be it the “National” variety that lives in Europe or the Marxist variety espoused by the Left and its front party here, have certain common characteristics. When in power, morality to them is mere “bourgeois sentimentality”. Any moderation in conduct in against those who oppose the building of the “New Order” is to them objectively treason. Those who are not part of the vanguard of the future must be eliminated without mercy for the sake of the coming paradise.

This devotion was shared by “Iron Felix’s” Chekisti, and by their heirs who worked the cubicles [the ones with only the bare light bulbs, the ones with specialized equipment for eliciting confessions, and those which were lined with tile with a drain in the middle of the floor] at the Lubyanka. They were brothers in faith with those of the Allgemeine Schutz-Staffel whose black was trimmed with pink piping. And with those who wore Feld-grau and assisted the Einsatzgruppen. As were masters of the Killing Fields and the guards in China’s Laogai today.

They view those who are not of their totalitarian faith, whose thoughts differ from that approved by those in authority, those who will not submit or who are considered less than human as organic matter to be processed with less care and consideration than the animals in Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle.

These same guardians of the New Order [Marxist or Nazi] can be depended upon to cry, beg, plead for mercy, claim to be an innocent victim, and deny their deeds occurred when brought to account for what they have done. We saw it when the Soviet Empire fell and individuals, especially in the newly freed satellite countries, had to deal with the individuals they had oppressed for so long. My father saw it when his company liberated the last concentration camp in German hands in 1945 [Gunzkirchen]. And we will see it again.

Rahm Emanual is real good at making threats, when he thinks he has the power. Misha mentioned the death threats to political opponents. I believe he also is the one known for having dead fish delivered to his opponents as a threat. Surely, he was an enthusiastic proponent of the conduct of the Left in the last election. He, the Democrats, and all of their allies on the Left have sown the wind. They better get ready to reap the whirlwind.

They deserve no consideration, no courtesy, no solicitous treatment , no assumption that they are our fellow citizens who merely differ on the ways to achieve the same goals for the good of all. The physical attacks on Republican delegates on the streets of Minneapolis, the attack on the busload of Cub Scouts coming to present the colors, the Democrat mob threatening to kill Michelle Malkin on the streets of Denver, the felony hacking of private computer accounts, the smears and attacks on children, not to mention the campaign finance fraud and the voter registration fraud and voter intimidation by Democrats have proven that no such consideration is deserved. Indeed, for a generation, the Democrats have treated both their political opposition and the country as the enemy.

The usual defenders and justifiers of any Democrat conduct will weigh in about how it is just a few “isolated instances”. We have had decades of “isolated incidents”. None of the Democrats, or their allies on the Left, said one word, one syllable of condemnation when they happened. Indeed, they were insufferably smug and pleased with each occurance. If you tolerate and accept such conduct by your own side, if you defend it, you are responsible for it.

The rules of supposedly “civil” political discourse are done. Just as it makes no sense to fight the Jihadists by the rules when they follow none; it makes no sense to fight Democrats by other than the same dirty means that they themselves use. They set the new pattern. Let them suffer by the same tactics that they have made the new norm.

Emanual is pissed that his address has been revealed? That should just be the beginning. Every Democrat operative should be in fear of the same thing. And every member of their families should fear getting the exact same treatment that they meted out to the Palin family. Since Democrats like to sic both the organs of the state and their lapdog media on civilians who happen to ask questions of their Messiah, they should fear an army of conservatives digging into their lives through every means possible, and revealing every sordid detail that they can find …. or infer …. or make up, just like the Democrats do to us.

And if the devoted authoritarian socialists have their wet dreams start coming true; if Bill Ayers who started Hussein Pasha’s political career tries to eliminate the 25 million Americans he said he would if he cannot “re-educate” them, if Hussein Pasha himself tries to rule outside the Constitution that he himself has expressed dis-satisfaction with, if they attempt to force compliance with their authoritarian goals … well when you sowed the wind, you reaped the whirlwind. If you sow a cyclone, do not be surprised if you reap Hurricane Katrina in return.

LC Subotai Bahadur

ps.

Re: THE WRITING ON THE WALL thread
#8 LC Intellectual Conservative

Bravo Zulu sir. It is a start and meshes right well with this. If those of us who are of what will be the new Kulak class are to be driven out of business, let us make sure that those who support those who attack us pay the price, preferably first. For those of the LC’s who don’t know what a Kulak is/was, do a web search on the terms “kulak” [кула́к] and “Soviet”.

December 14th, 2008 at 12:54 AM
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Comment by LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder

DJ Allyn, ITW @:

DeejSometimes you put out the most incredibly funny stuff …No really, I mean that.

Like Troy Mentioned R.I. is one of the most mobbed up places in the country, Buddy Cianci ring a bell there Mr. ITW? I do believe his ass is serving time these days, I’d have to check.

Ol Buddy was in so deep and pissed off so many folks he traveled with an ARMED convoy, I shit you not, this is the Mayor, relatively speaking, of a City that could damn near be called Dog Patch USA, Providence was and is not that big of a place.

Credit Union collapse in early 90’s ? Anyone? Bridge across Newport Bay plagued with scandal and contractor kickback schemes so bad to the point that when the damn last span was put in it didn’t FIT? They had to re-engineer the damn thing?

Providence Civic center, during it’s construction, IF memory serves had some sort of problems with an investigation into it, The State Police had a problem back then as well…..

Hell the freaking mob parked their god damn YACHT at the NMCRRC where I worked for Christ sakes…I’ll never forget it, it was called the “Platinum” and it wasn’t a 45 foot Pleasure cruiser either it was a full blown 100 footer.

I forget the name of the “family”, that owned it they were in the news in the last 5 years I know that, I remember seeing it, but that was and is FEDERAL property…so let me guess the Feds are running private marinas now for mob families? LOL

Yeah okay R.I. 49 out of 50 plus …no corruption here folks, move along..Yeah riiiiiiiight. Sure Buddy.

Oh I know you will spout off with ohhh that was before my chart. Fine, so be it, the current fucking Crooks of Cranston as they are so lovingly referred to by the locals (or used to be when I lived there), just haven’t been caught yet. That’s all.

December 14th, 2008 at 6:22 AM
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Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

Blago consults with a mouthpiece:

When asked if he would take the case, Genson said: “We’ll make our mutual decision on Monday.”

As the legal maneuvering intensified, some observers speculated that he might be trying to leverage the governorship to his advantage in his criminal case

Uh… no shit.

“I would be saying, ‘Let me see what I can get in exchange for you resigning. Don’t just give it up for nothing. Let me see if I can get you a better deal,’” said Steve Cron, a defense lawyer from Santa Monica, Calif.

Just like what he said about the senate seat, only now it’s OK.

The Chicago Tribune reported that Emanuel had conversations — captured on wiretaps — before the election with the Blagojevich administration about who would replace Obama in the Senate.

The Tribune doesn’t say how long they sat on the story. I e-mailed them but they didn’t respond.

Blagojevich’s political future remains in limbo. The Legislature could start impeachment proceedings as soon as Monday, and the Illinois Supreme Court could act on a request by Attorney General Lisa Madigan to strip him of his powers.

She can try, but there is absolutely no precedent. Removing a sitting democrat without a conviction, they will find, is harder than the realize.

Beal, the Chicago lawyer, said Blagojevich may be contemplating a deal with prosecutors or be in denial.

I’ll go with the former.

Chicago defense attorney and former assistant U.S. attorney Ron Safer said the prospect of trading a resignation in a plea deal with federal prosecutors may be far-fetched, but Blagojevich’s nature seems to be a self-serving one in which he gains a personal advantage from every action he takes.

Not so far-fetched considering who might get snared in the net. Look, the Tribune sat on the story before the election, Obama’s minions have reportedly tried to strike a deal before- why wouldn’t Blago try to cut a deal? As you can see from the article, this is his modus operandi. It would behoove everyone to allow Blago to strike the deal. Quinn get the governor’s seat and pardons Blago for the Illinois crimes then grabs the senate seat, then Lisa Madigan gets the governor job she has coveted. Notice how the stories of Blago being insane have quieted down?

The questions end as to whether or not Obama was a party to a crime and how the Tribune sat on a story the could have torpedoed Obama.

Welcome to Chicago Machine politics.

December 14th, 2008 at 7:32 AM
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Comment by LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician

Perhaps THIS is why I was 13 before I learned Damn and Yankee were two separate words? ALLAH FUBAR!

December 14th, 2008 at 7:49 AM
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Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

Dave, your cute statistics for “convictions of corruption” are a far cry from “actual corruption”. All those statistics show is that we here in FL actually, ya’ know, convict people for corruption. If you’re trying to use your little charts as “proof” that FL is more corrupt than, saaaaay, those bastions of public servant integrity union mob-run shitholes such as Illinois, Looserana, New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, DC, et al, then you are truly delusional and need to up the meds, brother.
:em72:
I know you’re shaking in your boots because the veneer has worn off your Messiah’s tin-plated halo, now that it’s been shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he and his goons are dick-deep in this scandal ops normal Donk operation, but could you at least try pretend to be outraged over Blago’s and Rahmalamadingdong’s fire sale of Teh One’s senate seat? (Nevermind the fact that he’s shown himself to be the completely empty suit that we all said he was and he’s turned into the White HouseBoy for Klintoon II. That’s gotta just eat y’all’s shit up, eh?)
:em99: :em01: :em99: :em01:

December 14th, 2008 at 8:40 AM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

It was nice to see MY state at the very bottom of the corruption lists, I gotta say. :em93:

December 14th, 2008 at 9:01 AM
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Comment by LC Gunsniper

Another thing not defined by those cute little charts is the kind and severity of the crimes in question.

Face it Deej. Your wanna-be deity is a fraud.

December 14th, 2008 at 9:17 AM
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Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

There is a lot of backpedaling going on, Horribin. Blago has them by their collective ‘testicular fortitudes’.

December 14th, 2008 at 10:33 AM
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Comment by mayim

I was shocked when I learned that the arson occurred during the hours of the day when there were people (women and children, no less!) in the church. That makes it more than just arson– it’s ATTEMPTED MURDER. If this is fire was indeed the result of an intentional act (and not an accident, electrical fire, whatever), may whoever did this rot in prison for the rest of their pathetic lives.

Even had it occurred when the church was empty (which it DID NOT), this was the attempted destruction of private property, a serious crime in and of itself. But the fact that PEOPLE WERE IN THERE makes this an unspeakable horror, attempted murder by fire.

On another note:

LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

I will note that on Democrat sites, the comments are divided between glee at the fire and anger that anyone could think that they had anything to do with it. Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Democrat.

Surprise, surprise, Democrats are individuals. Democrats are not the Borg.

December 14th, 2008 at 3:18 PM
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Comment by LC Subotai Bahadur

RE: # 56 above.

Mayim, I am not directing this specifically at you. What follows is a discussion of general principles. It will only apply to you if in fact you yourself decide to adopt such application.

One of the greater rules of thumb to live by goes something like this; “Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”. An individual, or a group, cannot survive if they allow their enemies to repeatedly attack them without mortal consequences. Somewhere immediately after the third attack, if you want to live you are at war. And the moral onus will be on the other party (ies) because by that time you will have turned both of the cheeks that one can safely risk, and gone beyond the call of duty with the third. Mind you, I personally am bloody-minded enough to be on a high Defcon after the first attack. But that is me.

War takes things to an entirely different level.

Let me offer the American Revolution. Edmund Burke was a leader in Parliament of the opposition to the King’s desire to punish America. Americans never had as good a friend in Britain as Edmund Burke. And yet, once we were at war with Britain, Edmund Burke was a member of the enemy’s government. Even as an individual, he was the enemy.

During WW II, not all Germans were Nazis. There was a German resistance to Hitler. There were Germans of conscience. Pastor Martin Niemöller comes to mind. He himself was not an enemy of either the United States, or of Humanity; but he was a German when we were at war. So he was our enemy. Similarly, there were Germans who risked their lives to save Jews during the Holocaust. They were the “Righteous Gentiles” of deserved fame. Oskar Schindler was one of those Righteous Gentiles, and yet if he had been bombed in his factory during the war and killed, it would have been because he was an enemy German.

Times come in the affairs of men, when choices have to be made. Both individuals and groups can only take one path at a time. And decisions once made, cannot be retracted. If Burke had come to America and cast his lot with us, he would have been welcomed and become a leader. He chose instead to stay, and live under the government that stood against what he believed. Despite his heart, he therefore was the enemy.

Schindler, for all of his virtues and the risks he took during the war, still was part of the Nazi war machine. So he was the enemy, and a legitimate target.

Niemöller was a German national when we were at war, but he had literally no free will to act to follow his conscience on the outside, because he spent the war as a prisoner in Dachau. Those who have freedom of choice taken from them, are not morally responsible in the same sense as someone with freedom of action is.

No one, to the best of my knowledge, is being held in Democrat concentration camps yet as a prisoner of conscience. People may or may not be Democrats for any single issue or combination of issues. Their choice. People choose to be adherents of the Democrats and their Leftist allies. They have free choice. They are not Borg. Borg have no free will.

In all of the attacks, in all of the felonies, in all of the immoral, or illegal actions taken by Democrats against both Republicans and middle Americans, we have not heard any outcry from within the Democratic party. Anyone dropping by here in the Empire cannot avoid the loud, and frequently scatological, outcry whenever a Republican does something stupid or immoral. George II, John Sidney McCain III, the collection of greedy lops amongst the Republicans looting the budget to line their own pockets and those of their friends are the objects of our hatred and criticism and contempt. When the Democrats are openly selling a seat in the US Senate for cash to the politically correct highest bidder, when a long-serving Democrat who chairs the Ways and Means Committee [the one that writes all the tax laws for the rest of us] is found to have in effect forgotten to pay his taxes for the last couple of decades, when the basic foreign policy of the party consists of submission in both the Islamic and the western senses; and there is not a single voice raised on the Democrat side, the only rational conclusion is that those “individuals” agree with what is going on. And if they agree, then they are part of the war against us.

Choices. Consequences. Everyone has the first. No one can avoid the second. Democrats want to have the first without the second. It does not happen that way in real life. They have chosen to break down the rules of conduct of politics. They cannot avoid either retaliation or contempt. They cannot have it both ways. And individual Democrats who do not vocally oppose it when something is done in their name by the Party and its leaders or those who are the vocal spokespersons are as culpable as the Party and those leaders and spokespersons. The same thing applies on the other side of the fence.

Going back to the issue of the burning of the church and the reaction of the Democrats; I see glee. And I see denial and ass-covering. No where in that Party is there any sign of either outrage or a determination to police their own ranks if, as is the most likely event, it was done by one of their own.

LC Subotai Bahadur

December 14th, 2008 at 8:44 PM
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Comment by LC Hardclimber54-Imperial Chief Pilot and Aviator

LC Subotai Bahadur

You, Sir, are an intellectual and a real free person. I am standing and saluting you Sir!

December 14th, 2008 at 8:56 PM
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Comment by mayim

Oh, come on, BigDogg. Surely you can at least muster a haiku or a limerick?

December 14th, 2008 at 9:35 PM
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Comment by nerbygirl

Mayim, as usual, you are full of shit.

December 14th, 2008 at 11:14 PM
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Comment by mayim

Incidentally, Subotai Bahadur: You say that Democrats haven’t even raised “a single voice” against Blago, but that’s bullshit. Try actually reading something like the Huffington Post, and you’ll see PLENTY of Democrats pointing out how corrupt and wrong Blago is. Want me to go find and link to a dozen or so for you?

December 14th, 2008 at 11:26 PM
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Comment by Alan K. Henderson

A nitpick: the chart in comment #36 lists only those crooked politicians that got caught.

WHAT THE HECKITY HECK is going on in the Virgin Islands and Guam? Did all the Tammany Hall ghosts move there or something?

December 15th, 2008 at 12:32 AM
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Comment by T

LC Subotai Bahadur - SIR!
I Concur heartily with Hardclimber in a Salute. A remarkably succint, precise analysis. By any chance, sir, were you a witness to your observations? You speak as one who had a 50-yard-line seat. (I once had a close personal friend with a tatoo on his arm - a number.)

And Misha - #11 - positively correct. The first time you observe that you pissed off a pro is when either the rubble is in mid-air or the body slumps to the ground. (Ask a member of the Detail what gives them nightmares…)

December 15th, 2008 at 8:16 AM
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Comment by nerbygirl

Subotai:

Brilliant observations, as usual.
And the fact that you went over to the Huff to back up your statements gives you even more credibility.

I prefer to read the wacky left from the safety of “dummiefunnies”, myself.
Always good for a laugh.
I’m guessing that most of the conspiracy whack-jobs on the Left are on some kind of medication.
Or need to be.
Liberalism truly is a mental disease.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:40 AM
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Comment by mayim

nerbygirl sez:

I’m guessing that most of the conspiracy whack-jobs on the Left are on some kind of medication.
Or need to be.

What conspiracy? Oh, there’s a conspiracy alright… Blago’s conspiracy to perform illegal acts!

December 15th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
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Comment by dragineez

It’s not the death threats that bother me, it’s that no one is following through.

December 15th, 2008 at 10:57 AM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

dragineez,

Do you know that for certain? Or maybe the FBI (or whoever) is keeping it quiet for now.

December 15th, 2008 at 11:34 AM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Has the Bambi camp spoken out against the arson at Palin’s church, and the fact that there were people inside? Or do death threats only matter when it’s Dems at risk?

N/m…it’s rhetorical

December 15th, 2008 at 11:36 AM
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Comment by LC quiller

All my life I’ve heard and read and seen in films and TV the long sorry history of crime and the Democratic Party. The unionists and graftsters, the weasels and the highway daylight robbers. Shake-down artists with souls of coal and morals of goats.

I thank the author of “Away in the Manger,” above. Brilliantly-stated. Now if only Patrick Fitzgerald can leverage those ACTUAL WIRETAP TAPES into enough political pressure to prevent even the ruling Dems from firing him, before a TRUE “Fitzmas” occurs.

Probably won’t happen. Fitzgerald will probably get canned, the newest Democratic Party scandal will get low media attention, and nobody but the bloggers and their cadre will ever remember the guilty were usually (but not always) merely Democrats.

Meanwhile it’s hilarious watching the TRULY outrageous Dems go down. Kwame Kilpatrick (#10 in the Most Felonious Dems list this year, or so I seem to recall). Willy “Cold Cash” Jefferson — another real charmer. And that intrepid hunter of his wife’s killer, Orenthal J. Simpson, now convicted petty thief.

(Okay, so O.J. is not an ELECTED Dem. But it’s fun watching a few of the black crooks get their just dues, just before the ever-PC Dems sweep into power and shrug because it all is “too late to fix,” and Joe Crook now has to serve his actual time. Watch for O.J. to take a shank before he serves his term.)

Politically we put up with electing our criminals, spending up to and maybe now even more than one billion by one candidate to buy an office where so many staggering feats of criminality can now be conducted.

Hussein Obama, code name Renegade, has bought and paid for that very election. Dem voters gave him the reins, and now we get to see how real crooks work, finally handed the keys to the country.

December 15th, 2008 at 11:36 AM
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Comment by mayim

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

Tell that to the Huffers, and they’ll have you drawn and quartered.

With pleasure. Point me at the loonies.

December 15th, 2008 at 12:03 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Off Topic: Anyone see this? http://www.cnn.com/2.....in.senate/ McCain the douchebag apparently A) would not support Palin in a run (well, duh!) B) sounds like he intends to run again himself (start rotting the tomatoes NOW; we have GOT to show this fucktard what we really think of him) and C) just thinks the world of Honest Abe Obi-Wan and thinks we should all rally behind him to get the job done!

Well. When can we kick these sonsabitches out of this party, exactly?

December 15th, 2008 at 1:51 PM
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Comment by Radical Redneck

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun @:

Kayinmaine (Kayinsane as Rad likes to call her)…She is probably the looniest of the entire bunch of loons.

Here you go Mayim.

http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/

Beware, the stooooooooooooooopid isn’t merely strong - it’s nuclear! She’s screaming that Palin set the church fire herself so she and hubby could torment the remaining brown people in Alaska. :em95:

December 15th, 2008 at 2:01 PM
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Comment by LC Subotai Bahadur

#70 T

No, I was not there. My father was a rifle squad leader in the 5th Infantry Regiment, 71st Infantry Division, 3rd US Army. His unit went the farthest east of any American Army unit in the European Theater. Days before VE day, his company liberated Gunskirchen, a sub camp of Mauthausen KZL. It was the last Concentration Camp in Nazi hands. It was the one that the Germans were trying to march the inmates of the other camps to there to finish killing them off. The main camp was liberated by the 11th Armored days before.

I did not find out about the details of the above until after his last heart attack [he never regained consciousness] when we were going through his papers. His military records were there. He was far more decorated than I ever knew, and was one of the first non-white squad leaders in the Infantry. I knew that he got his US citizenship because of his service in WW II. Some day, I may tell his story, as being Chinese in America was a very different proposition than today.

After his last heart attack, I was contacted by a number of his friends and our relatives who passed on to me that his last request was to be buried under the flag he had served and with the military honors he had earned. You can bet that it was done.

As you may have noticed, I have a slight interest in history. I am considered by some to be a subject matter expert on WW II, and I have more than a few resource publications on the Holocaust I have collected within a few feet of where I am typing. Combine that with my research on my dad’s unit after I found out about it, including a booklet they published themselves about the liberation of the camp [the idea was that they wanted something with pictures to prove to people at home what they told them was real] while stationed in Germany; and I know a bit about what happened there.

But there is no way that I am part of the Greatest Generation. Not worthy to be considered as such at all.

LC Skyechild, GLOR:

You are in Nebraska? My condolences. The first place I had to regularly carry a gun was in Hastings, Nebraska. In high school. I was stuck there February-September 1968. The locals were incapable of differentiating a Chinese straight A student whose career goals were aimed at Annapolis from a Viet Cong. Sufficient, creative firepower and a bloodyminded attitude convinced them that it would cost more than it was worth to them to pursue their misidentification in the way that they wanted to.

While I’ve since had to go through Nebraska twice for the sake of my daughter, I did not and have not, set foot in the state since. And I won’t. Ever.

LC Subotai Bahadur

December 15th, 2008 at 2:19 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Radical Redneck @:
Thanks, Rad. I couldn’t remember the name of her site.

December 15th, 2008 at 2:23 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

mayim @91:
John McCain was hardly a “jesus freak.” Nor is much of the Republican party, any more. That’s why they had such a hard time getting conservatives without Palin.

And don’t forget, it’s CONGRESS that makes the laws (or the supremes, in some cases).

And I really think you need to stop the Christian bashing. We KNOW how you feel about God and Christianity.

December 15th, 2008 at 2:26 PM
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Comment by mayim

Well, look, I’m getting downright depressed here. I’m not about to jump ship and vote for a Republican, but with the way the Dems have been acting lately, I’m getting disgusted with them. That’s my point. I HAVE no political home.

December 15th, 2008 at 2:29 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

LC Skyechild, GLOR:

You are in Nebraska? My condolences. The first place I had to regularly carry a gun was in Hastings, Nebraska. In high school. I was stuck there February-September 1968. The locals were incapable of differentiating a Chinese straight A student whose career goals were aimed at Annapolis from a Viet Cong. Sufficient, creative firepower and a bloodyminded attitude convinced them that it would cost more than it was worth to them to pursue their misidentification in the way that they wanted to.

While I’ve since had to go through Nebraska twice for the sake of my daughter, I did not and have not, set foot in the state since. And I won’t. Ever.

Actually, it’s not a bad place to live, as compared to some others. We are, for the most part, staunchly red (with the exceptions of Douglas and two other counties). The people here are friendly, helpful, have a good work ethic, and don’t sit around and wait for the government to help them out. Be fair; the locals may not have been exposed to enough Asians to know the difference, and the war was fresh. Any Asian was probably the “enemy” to some degree.

My kids are here, too. If they weren’t, I wouldn’t be, either.

AND, we were at the VERY bottom of Dave’s corruption list!

December 15th, 2008 at 2:30 PM
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Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

“I’m getting regular death threats. You’ve put my home address on national television. I’m pissed at the networks. You’ve intruded too much, ” Emanuel said, according to the cameraman.

Uhhh, Rhammy baby? Public Servant much? We SHOULD know your home address. When you were a Congressman who appeared to be living the thuglife, you worked for the people in your district and your address should have been known to them..but then people who do the job to serve their communities usually don’t have too much to worry about, as the idea was never to make graft and government a lifetime career. Someone needs to kick this little shit in the pussy again when he stops whining. Just because.

December 15th, 2008 at 2:49 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC Fmwoods01 sez:

People registered as independent are democrats that haven’t the “testicular fortitude” to be honest about their party affiliation

…ORLY? There are QUITE a few conservative Independents.

I am far from the Marxist you seem to think I am. In most ways, I am quite moderate. I do not particularly like the Democrats, but I have a strong distaste for certain elements (you know what they are) of the Republican party platform. So what the hell choice do I have? I’m no big fan of either party, so I register Independent.

It has nothing to do with “testicular fortitude”; it’s simple honesty. The Democrats do not accurately represent my values, nor do the Republicans.

Independents want it both ways. Reality bites when you find you’ve been backing the wrong horse, and realize you’ve been “had”.

I don’t think there IS a “right” horse for me to back.

December 15th, 2008 at 3:14 PM
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Comment by LC Fmwoods01

The Democrats do not accurately represent my values, nor do the Republicans.

I’m sure that everyone here can find fault with something our party(ies) stands for. ‘It’s all or nothing’ doesn’t apply to the current crop of liars and thieves because (as it’s become more apparent) they will shift with the wind when it is politically expedient (financially profitable). There is no right horse for any of us. If the individual parts of the whole causes us to lean heavily in one direction or the other, then we are doing ourselves a dis-service “claiming to be independent (sitting on the fence). I believe as Troy and others do, that the lack of term limits causes the majority of this corruption and deceit. Dem or Rep don’t matter to these shills until they are up for election (financially profitable). I wish there was a party solely serving all of my beliefs, but unfortunately, it would be much smaller than the moral catch-all Republicans or the immoral catch everything else Democrats. Many times, it’s the “morality” thing that causes fence-sitting. (Abortion comes to mind). The Good Lord knows that He is the only One to pass judgment on morality.

December 15th, 2008 at 3:51 PM
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Comment by mayim

You may think I have a heavy lean in the direction of the Dems, but I really do not. Aside from the religion thing and the GLBT thing, most of my “values” are surprisingly close to your own.

I believe in personal responsibility and not sponging off of the government. I believe that everyone should earn their own keep. I do not believe in casual sex or relationships without love. I believe that divorce should be a last resort and not a first choice. I believe that abortion should be a last resort and not a first choice. I do not believe in abusing drugs (though I think that if someone wants to, it’s their own body to screw up). I do not believe in drinking to excess. I believe in behaving with dignity in public; I am uncomfortable around people who dress or act like thugs, gangsters, or punks. I think “pride parades” are usually pretty disgusting spectacles. I believe in honesty and forthrightness. I do not believe in “political correctness”. I believe in treating other people in public with dignity and respect. I believe in passing on these values to the next generation.

Do any of those things surprise you?

December 15th, 2008 at 4:08 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Money always emerges out of barter. The difficulties of finding trading partners under barter systems results in the emergence of commodity monies. Durable, portable, and divisible commodities, like gold and silver, typically fit the bill as money best. Money and related institutions emerge as an unintended consequence of self interested trading. The evolution of such institutions is best left to the competitive market forces that created them in the first place, as governmental intervention will result in inflation and other distortions.

Please read the books. You have no idea the harm you’re doing voting your wedding aspirations above liberty, the economy and even your own self-interest.

December 15th, 2008 at 4:17 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Someone else please take it; I can’t believe I’m being led down a primrose fucking path like that. Mayim, are you just fucking with me or what?

December 15th, 2008 at 4:21 PM
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Comment by Alan K. Henderson

Isn’t “registered Independent” an oxymoron?

December 15th, 2008 at 6:32 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Also, for what it’s worth, MY response to Emanu-hell’s whining about death threats (sounds like he knows about as much about the internet as McCain if death threats are surprising to him) was already covered by Misha in the OP. Which is why I didn’t comment.

What happened to the Capone-like “man’s man” who once listed a number of defeated political enemies at a dinner, punctuating every cry of “DEAD!” by stabbing his steak knife into the table?

Time to brush the sand out of your vagina, “Rahmbo”, isn’t it?

Yeah, that.

December 15th, 2008 at 7:46 PM
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Comment by LC Fmwoods01

LC AnnieMcPhee @:
Damn!!!! I go back to work for a few hours, only come back to find you swinging to “Cluebat-o-Doom” in my stead. Could not have said it any better!

you have a reeeeal talent for derailment

You have no idea the harm you’re doing voting your wedding aspirations above liberty, the economy and even your own self-interest.

moderates just chop away at the constitution and liberty from both ends (social and economic), sacrificing everything for a pragmatism that isn’t pragmatic, then try to disavow the disastrous results by saying “But I’m MODERATE.”

Try this, “moderate” - STAND FOR SOMETHING. I have a really good one - the CONSTITUTION. The free market. These things that have led to the freest society in the history of mankind. Try THAT. Try standing for THAT.

Just, Damn!!!!! :em04:

D’

December 15th, 2008 at 8:05 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC Gunsniper sez:

the Democrats want to replace our Constitutional republic with some kind of socialist dictatorial hellholecommunist, apartheid police-state.

Fixed.

That sort of accusation is pure lunacy. Do you know what that sort of crap looks like to anyone even close to politically middle-of-the-road? Here, let me flip it through the Political Mirror O’ Doom and show you what it looks like:

“the Republicans want to replace our Constitutional republic with some kind of theocratic ‘Christian Taliban’ regime patrolled by roving ‘Morality Squads’”.

That’s how fucking stupid that looks.

You’re making yourself look like paranoid-delusional conspiracy-theorist nutjobs.

December 15th, 2008 at 8:31 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun @:

For the record, I’m not particularly fond of ANY of those things you listed.

December 15th, 2008 at 8:42 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Did most of the left vote AGAINST the bailout? Not just no, but HELL NO. Did they vote for a candidate who supports capitalism? Not just no, but HELL NO! Do they vote against their congresscritters who vote in favor of socialism? Again, not just no, but HELL NO!

December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 PM
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Comment by mayim

I was (and am) against the bailout, and I support capitalism.

Run a social libertarian who isn’t a religious nutball or a war-hawk and I might vote your way.

Until then, pound sand. I’m not going to vote for someone like Palin who wants to start a war with Russia (is she fucking INSANE!?) and overturn Roe v. Wade.

You think of the Republican party as the party of fiscal responsibility, liberty, and the Constitution. I think of the Republican party as the party of eternal war, religious fundamentalism, and the national debt.

Until you can comprehend this, you are going to reliably lose the votes of a great many people who are NOT war-crazed born-agains.

December 15th, 2008 at 8:53 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Anyone who hates Christianity so much as you do, to the point of thinking Christians unfit for office, can keep their vote so far as I’m concerned.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:00 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC AnnieMcPhee sez:

Anyone who hates Christianity so much as you do, to the point of thinking Christians unfit for office, can keep their vote so far as I’m concerned.

I don’t want someone who believes that an invisible man in the sky whispers things into their ears having their fingers on the Big Red Button. They are clearly delusional, just like anyone else who believes that invisible men whisper things into their ears. Religion is a gateway psychosis.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:01 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

mayim @:
Her personal preference may be to overturn Roe v. Wade, but she cannot do it in and of herself…even if she were president. And iirc, she thought it should be better left to the states, NOT the feds. Congress makes the laws. All the president does is sign/veto.

As for the war with Russia…your boy may be finding himself in the same position. Russia is sending warships to Cuba. Is Putin just “posturing”? Perhaps. Is he just rattling his saber? Maybe. He won’t do anything while Bush is in office; all bets are off once Juggy gets in. So that may not be so far-fetched.

Republicans are NOT in favor of eternal war. There is not a one of us here who wouldn’t like to see us out of Iraq, but we don’t want to pull out before we should, and risk another vietnam.

I’m curious about something (but I’ll probably regret this), you act all concerned about the innocents getting killed in a war, but since Roe v. Wade, we have slaughtered some 40 million of OUR innocents. Where’s your outrage over that?

I can’t argue about the national debt. We’re all ticked over that one.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:09 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

LC AnnieMcPhee @:
Annie, I hadn’t heard about the about-face, but I’m not surprised. If they can find a way to steal credit, they’ll do it.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:12 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Obama is a lukewarm Christian at the most, a posturing atheist at the least. He’s hardly a born-again.

I don’t think he feels that way. He spent 20+ years going to church. I think you are dissembling, so that you can rationalize voting for him despite that.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:18 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

If you think the welfare problem is bad now, imagine if all the crack whores who keep having abortions couldn’t; now there would be 40 million more crack babies, Foetal Alcohol Syndrome survivors, and welfare queen spawn running around demanding handouts.

Make them responsible. Refuse them handouts and assistance. When people become dependent, they have no reason to grow up.

I am not averse to mandatory sterilization under certain circumstances if it will prevent abortion.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:22 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

People had the same concerns about Kennedy. GOD FORBID a…CATHOLIC…should become president. The pope was gonna be running the country!

Didn’t happen. If Palin doesn’t run her state as a religious gulag, it’s a good bet that she wouldn’t run the country that way, either. The president DOESN’T make the laws.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:24 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Considering that author cites Keith Olberdouche as a source, I discount it summarily. And, there’s always been a bias against Assembly of God folks. Just because you (collective you, not you personally) don’t understand it doesn’t make it bad.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:30 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Ugh, count me as one who doesn’t think Obi-wan is a Christian AT ALL. Liberation theology isn’t Christianity any more than the Nation of Islam is Muslim or Kwanzaa is traditional Afrikkan. Please. He ain’t MY brother, I can tell you that.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:33 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

if only you can just be serious for once.

When wasn’t I?

You always were, as far as I can recall off the top of my head. I meant the general “you”, as in “Rotties in general”.

See, the way to convince me of your point of view is NOT by insulting me or pointing me at huge long boring tomes and hoping that when I read them that I’ll magically come out the other end with your point of view. (Example: I am still reading ‘What Went Wrong’, and the conclusion that you guys probably want me to draw from it is “we should nuke the Middle East”, but the conclusion I’m actually drawing from it so far is “we should turn the Middle East secular, like Turkey”).

It’s logic. What you said was eminently logical.

LC Gunsniper sez:

Communist; Pelosi is already on record for wanting to nationalize the oil industry, there was even talk of nationalizing the auto industry, and they’ve been pushing to completely nationalize the health care “industry”.
Apartheid; what do you think affirmative action, set-asides, and preferences based on race are all about? It’s all about keeping folks in their racial and social groups and most importantly fighting each other for a shrinking slice of government pie rather than stringing up the scumbag politicians. The donks really pulled and ingenious way of keeping blacks on their plantation by essentially bribing them rather than through force like the Jim Crow era. Instead of fire hoses, police dogs and Judge Bull Conner we now have welfare checks, public housing, and Jesse Jackson maintaining the plantation.
Police-state; Hate crimes laws, speech codes, jugears’s push for his private army for starters.

Hmmm. You also make some good points, for the most part quite logical, though I don’t see anything wrong with hate crime laws. Sorry. (I know quite a few people who have been victims OF hate crimes, and I really don’t see how they tie into the idea of a police state.)

December 15th, 2008 at 9:35 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Just so we’re clear: I don’t believe for a minute, either, that he’s a Christian. Nothing in his life reflects that. What I said is that HE probably considers himself one.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:41 PM
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Comment by LC Gunsniper

Sorry. (I know quite a few people who have been victims OF hate crimes, and I really don’t see how they tie into the idea of a police state.)

It’s a significant steppingstone to criminalizing thought. That should scare anyone who likes thinking.

December 15th, 2008 at 9:42 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Mayim,

If someone is killed as a result of a “hate crime,” are they any less dead? And why is it always the white person who is guilty of a hate crime? Why are blacks or mexicans never charged with it?

December 15th, 2008 at 9:47 PM
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Comment by LC Gunsniper

This is a slippery-slope argument;

A slippery-slope argument deals with unintended consequences. I purposely used stepping stone because the end game is to make what is believed to be in an accused person’s head a crime itself through small precedents.

it’s like saying that since rape involves sexual penetration, banning rape would be a significant stepping-stone to banning sex.

Uh, no. How you can even try to liken this to my example shows you’re thinking with your heart and not your head. Rape is a violent act, sex is a legal consensual act and your example doesn’t bridge the two in any legal sense.

Hate crimes laws takes a violent and threatening act and compounds the offense by assuming the thought processes and motives of the assailant, thus criminalizing those thoughts with additional weight of penalty. For now, a violent act is needed before the “hate crime” can be considered but it isn’t necessarily always going to be that way. Already, such things happen abroad.

December 15th, 2008 at 10:00 PM
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Comment by Darth Bane

THIS is the guy Obama tapped to be his Chief of Staff?

Good luck running a White House no balls, Rahm baby.

December 15th, 2008 at 10:21 PM
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Comment by apollo861

Good points, but cannot hate crime legislature be tied into the concept of “mens rea” (”guilty mind”) which is basically a prerequisite for most criminal convictions anyways?

Uh, it already is. If you had an intention, regardless of the reason, then you have a guilty mind. Acting on hate to kill someone IS part of mens rea, ie. you planned to kill someone. End of story.

If you didn’t mean to, ie, an accident, we are not dumb or cruel.

IF you had the INTENTION to murder and succeeded, and we apprehend you, you’re toast no matter why you did it. Hate crime, greed, self gratification, etc, doesn’t matter.

December 15th, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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Comment by LC BU2 Lander

mayim @ #149:
And by using “our pet issue” as an example me thinks you might have shot yourself in the foot (no pun intended… really) :em02: with your “slippery slope” argument.

Why? Mainly because it is already on the books that a felony conviction will cost you your right to keep and bear arms. I do not believe that I have ever heard anyone here disagree with that law or suggest that it should be repealed either. Most likely because the way you control gun violence is to make laws to remove guns from criminal… and enforce them. Of course, it seems the last part, the enforcement, is what is lacking.

Anyway, yeah, already on the books and I’m pretty certain everyone would agree that it should be there and remain there.

December 15th, 2008 at 11:50 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Incidentally, if you go to the article, read the comments. I’m pretty sure of the leanings of those who supported the burning [and the possible murder of the women and children]. And if the arsonists turn out to be of the enemy; no quarter will be given or expected. Regardless of what rationalizations the defenders of the Democrats who will turn up here will give; we are not countrymen anymore, and we are enemies.

Amen, Subotai. Inasmuch as it’s possible to be enemies with animals.

December 16th, 2008 at 12:48 AM
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Comment by mayim

LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

Regardless of what rationalizations the defenders of the Democrats who will turn up here will give; we are not countrymen anymore, and we are enemies.

There can be no rationalisation for attempted murder! Or “aggravated arson”, or whatever you call it.

LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:

Enjoy your day Mayim… your time on earth is short.

…Are you threatening me, or just getting philosophical?

December 16th, 2008 at 2:33 AM
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Comment by LC Ted

mayim @ 157:

Hate crime legislation is not about “mens rea” its about adding punishment because the legislators have decided certain thoughts are unacceptable. If for example, some one seduces my wife and she commits adultery. I find this out and plan to ambush them at a hotel and kill them both, I do it and surrender to the police afterward. second example i decide to kill two people because they are oh, black, Hispanic, mentally disabled or homosexual. i again plan and execute the plan and said minorities are killed.

In both cases the victims are dead. In both cases I planed the deaths and carried it out. In both cases i had “mens rea”

Why are the victims of case b more important than the first?

I hated in both cases.

You can judge only based on my actions. Planning to kill someone is a action.

Knowing what my thoughts are requires omnipotence. Something humans do not posses.

LC Ted

December 16th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

WhiteNoiseInsanity (Kayinsane) says she’s sure that the women inside the church decorating started the fire inadvertently, or that Palin herself started it for political reasons. I suppose those ladies poured the accelerant outside the entrances too. That is a genuinely evil woman and again, not my countryman. I remember an attack on a church that killed 4 little girls, causing the entire nation to reel. I remember all too well a church that was burned, killing 92 people, including many women and children who were gassed excruciatingly to death before the flames were set, which was committed by our own government - abetted by leftists like Janet Reno and the Clintons. The outrage that time was against the victims.

This time a divided nation is RIGHTLY divided - some outraged about the incident and others wishing that Palin had been in there and that more conservatives had been in there, and others outraged at the perpetrators and at those who fomented that hate. http://purelypolitic.....gment.html

The left would not have had my support anyway, but they have ensured my opposition to the death. So be it.

December 16th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
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Comment by LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion

Mayim … I spend time telling you that I feel you are a very negative minded person… and attempt to remind you in a subtle way that you should be thankful for every day …

And you cant even cipher that? At this point when it comes to you I just keep thinking of an old Jane Curtain and Dan Ackroyd skit on the original SNL weekend update. And you are Jane.

And here’s the real deal with threats…. If I wanted you, I sure as hell wouldnt broadcast it, as a matter of fact I’de be making friends, and you would never see it coming. And dats the “twoof”.

Now… You have a NICE Day.

December 16th, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Aw c’mon you can’t just bring up Jane and Dan without telling us WHICH sketch! There were so many, and they’re all good. Which one?

December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
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Comment by LC Subotai Bahadur

Usually, I try to reason out what I say, before coming to the Empire. However, I think I just want to throw out a question or two and see what the reaction is.

Most of the LC’s have opinions about the professionalism and even-handedness of both Federal law enforcement in general and the BATFE in particular; based on either personal observation by those of us who have worked in the field, or on general observation and reports.

It is noted that there is very little media or government commentary on this church arson as opposed to others that have occurred. One can draw a reasonable inference that such a contrast is because a) exposure would be counter-productive to the image the Democrat/Media Complex wishes to project, and b) that indeed they know or suspect that their own people or ideological allies are responsible. In any case, it seems to be their intent, and in their interest, to keep the story quiet.

I further note that there is a similar dynamic involved in the coverage of the Blagojevitch case. The media and the government are doing their best to limit the actual information extent, and to make sure that the information out there is misdirecting at best.

So, just to agitate the feces:

We already have BATFE involved in the process. One could conceive, although I do not have any definite indication as yet, that based on Sarah Palin’s past candidacy that both the Secret Service and the FBI are at least keeping an eye on things. If the investigation should lead to members or allies of the Democratic Party as perpetrators, what role do you see Federal law enforcement filling? Will they follow the evidence where it leads and prosecute? Will they become “opaque” and let the trail grow cold? Will evidence be “lost” or “mishandled” so as to make prosecution impossible? And just to link it to a sub-thread above ….. if it leads to the same person(s) noted above …. what odds do you think that either “hate crime” statutes or Civil Rights Act sanctions will be applied against those who attack a Christian church attended by a white female conservative candidate, when the attack is based on those beliefs and attendance?

Feel free to discuss the implications of your answers.

LC Subotai Bahadur

December 16th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Subotai, you ask better questions than 99% people give answers. Wow.

Mayim, then THINK for a minute first. It should have been obvious that Troy is not going to initiate a complicated plot by which he either pays money to have someone commit a crime against you, or make a trek to NYC with some firearms or some poison in order to track you down and then try to make some convoluted means of covering his tracks, after having left word online that your time was short as is everyone’s time. I’m sure after all these years of law-abiding, he wants to go to prison for killing someone who annoyed him online. The whole idea is preposterous. Which should have led you to go with the joke.

December 16th, 2008 at 1:12 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC Subotai Bahadur @:

I have a more prosaic explanation for the lack of media coverage. You seem to be comparing this incident to things like Waco or Ruby Ridge. Why were those events covered extensively, but not this one? Simple: This was a smaller incident, and– far more importantly– nobody died.

I can guarantee you that if people had actually perished due to the murderer’s blaze, this would be the top story on every newspaper in the nation.

There is an old saying about the news industry: “If it bleeds, it leads.” Nobody “bled”.

December 16th, 2008 at 1:17 PM
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Comment by Mike M

Aw c’mon you can’t just bring up Jane and Dan without telling us WHICH sketch!

Annie, he’s talking about Ackroyd’s line in just about all of them - “Jane, you ignorant slut”.

December 16th, 2008 at 1:24 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC AnnieMcPhee sez:

Considering that Trig Palin’s parentage and the cost of Palin’s wardrobe WAS huge fucking news, this ought to be ten times bigger, I mean seriously.

Agreed. It ought to be.

The problem is that any news that may have a bearing on a current political election gets blown way out of proportion.

December 16th, 2008 at 1:44 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Could it be that to the media, and the Democrats, the evils of burning churches and trying to kill women and children are only wrong if certain churches are burned and the women and children are of the politically correct colors? And if they do not fit the Left’s defining criteria, such activities are commendable?

Definitely commendable. Some won’t admit it openly, but others (kayinmaine and co., the article you linked about the accelerant commenters, DU, KOS, et al) do. I really don’t give a shit that any open leftist “condemns” it, either; since they know the hatred on the left and support them fomenting it anyway.

December 16th, 2008 at 3:12 PM
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Comment by LC Fmwoods01

Well put Cheapshot, no I am a lowly, get my hands dirty tradesman also. 51B20 carpenter/masonary specialist, 51H30 construction supervisor, now, just a lowly fabricator of fine laminate casework and cabinet tops, etc. Nice lucrative niche’ if you can fill it.

D’

December 16th, 2008 at 4:15 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

Annie, you’ve already been called a troll over at Kayinsane’s.

WTG, Annie! You have achieved what few people can only dream of. Now maybe someone will declare a fartwa on you.

December 16th, 2008 at 6:32 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

The constant attempts to equate “liberals” with “Muslims” just make you guys look foolish. The overwhelming majority of liberals are not Muslims. Even as a joke, it’s incredibly stupid.

You know, I am getting very tired of your sanctimonious, self-righteous preachiness.

It was not addressed to YOU, and I will make any sort of joke I like, thank you very much, unless and/or until the management tells me to shut up. I personally don’t give a rip whether you think it’s stupid or not.

December 16th, 2008 at 6:47 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

Annie, you’ve already been called a troll over at Kayinsane’s.
WTG, Annie! You have achieved what few people can only dream of. Now maybe someone will declare a fartwa on you.

Hehe - I didn’t notice this said faRtwa at first :em99: And I’m proud to be named troll on the basis of one completely reasonable question at such a ridiculous place.

December 16th, 2008 at 6:53 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

LC AnnieMcPhee sez:

And are you telling me none of you have ever made a comment there and been called trolls? LOL

I’m sure Radical Redneck could tell you stories…I’m not sure about others, but he’s the only one I’m aware of here who has the intestinal fortitude to wade into that cesspool.

He must have gotten a discount on hazmat suits, or something.

December 16th, 2008 at 6:56 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

I will say whatever I like, whenever I like, about whomever I like, unless/until MANAGEMENT (of which you are not a member) tells me I can’t. [Notice the big bold letters on management. They are that way for a reason.]

I will NOT, repeat NOT, be preached to by you. Period. End of report.

You’re missing the point. Cracking jokes about liberals being a bunch of Muslims is just as ridiculous as cracking jokes about conservatives all being followers of Fred Phelps. Something tells me you’d be more than just “preachy” if the shoe was on the other foot.

I could have responded by cracking an equally stupid-assed joke equating you and the rest of the LCs with Phelps and his crew, but you would have missed the point entirely, and just gone straight into “rant ‘n’ eviscerate” mode. Which I see you’re in anyways, so hey…

And just like you have the right to say what you want, I have the right to say what I want as well– even if what I want to say is to point out how incredibly, laughably ridiculous your concept of liberals is. The idea of a bunch of peaceniks with leftist social leanings issuing a “fatwa” is ludicrous. To make a joke about it is equally ludicrous. Muslim theocrats represent the absolute polar opposite of everything modern liberalism stands for.

December 16th, 2008 at 7:09 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

In light of the bigotry and hate crimes committed by the left, there IS nothing laughably ridiculous about her characterization of the left whatsoever. This church burning is just one case in point. You lose, mayim. Your associates on the hard left are terrorist sympathizers at best, terrorists at worst.

December 16th, 2008 at 7:13 PM
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Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

Your associates on the hard left are terrorist sympathizers at best, terrorists at worst

Put it this way Annie, the terrorists can’t win without them.

December 16th, 2008 at 7:22 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

It seems like you have economics on the brain.

Thank you. You’d do well to have the same.

December 16th, 2008 at 7:27 PM
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Comment by Radical Redneck

LC AnnieMcPhee @:

And are you telling me none of you have ever made a comment there and been called trolls? LOL

Oh Hell Yeah! I’ve been called it so many times I think those wackos are stuttering! :em01: I mentioned it because your post was the antithesis of trolling - merely reasonably pointing out the insane flaw in their “logic”

That miserable freak was so enraptured by the idiot Sadr-worshipping dickhead throwing a shoe at his liberator that she vomited THREE posts about it. One of her mouth-breathing Amen chorus even said he was going to invite him to America and have him stay with him (an Abu Ghraib jizz-gurgling fantasy no doubt) :em38:

December 16th, 2008 at 7:34 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Radical Redneck sez:

LC AnnieMcPhee @:
And are you telling me none of you have ever made a comment there and been called trolls? LOL
Oh Hell Yeah! I’ve been called it so many times I think those wackos are stuttering! I mentioned it because your post was the antithesis of trolling - merely reasonably pointing out the insane flaw in their “logic”

I know LOL

That miserable freak was so enraptured by the idiot Sadr-worshipping dickhead throwing a shoe at his liberator that she vomited THREE posts about it. One of her mouth-breathing Amen chorus even said he was going to invite him to America and have him stay with him (an Abu Ghraib jizz-gurgling fantasy no doubt)

I saw that there were numerous posts on that - what a bunch of shiteaters. Somehow in all my time among the left I missed this vomitous shitbag’s blog - it’s pretty tragically common stuff, but they’re more honest about their hatred than many, so I give them that much credit. Unfortunately they’re also mentally ill, so points lost for that.

December 16th, 2008 at 7:58 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Radical Redneck; since I’m a “troll” anyway, I at least got a good shot in this time - it’s on her most recent post - pretty funny, I think. Since she’s mad that the church ladies didn’t “hear” the accelerant being poured outside and should have their cars and hands chemically tested. Where did you FIND this whackjob?

December 16th, 2008 at 8:19 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

mayim sez:

What sound does an accelerant make, exactly? “Vroom, vroom”?

LOL that’s what I wanted to know.

Then I asked if George Bush and a bunch of left-wing psychos pour accelerant outside the entrances of a conservative church and no church ladies hear it, are Truthes still paranoid schizophrenics?

December 16th, 2008 at 8:26 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Wow. On the contrary, you made one (admittedly carefully worded) sentence and made it into a thing of beauty - now you see why I feel totally outclassed here? Hehe. Well done! I would never have been able to explain it so well, but you nailed it.

that you might want to make sure that you are Threat Condition White when you reply unless you have on considered reflection decided that you are under attack. Once you so decide, go to ThreatCon Red and have at

Since you’re on a roll, would you mind explaining this to me, as I am not familiar with the terminology and it sounds very interesting. TIA

The description of those associates as being hard left is rather self evident. I reference LC Gunsniper in #145. I would further add Hussein Pasha’s recorded statements criticizing the Constitution because it did not give the government power to redistribute the nation’s wealth. And his desire to create a Civilian National Defense Force [by conscription] as well funded and powerful as the military but outside military control. Free countries do not have private armies running around at the behest of the ruler. Ever. The historical precedents are universally bad for that. Then there is his ongoing association with a terrorist bomber who stated that it would be necessary to kill 25 million Americans who would not accept reeducation to the new order if the Left took power. Nor let us overlook the fact that the foreign policy advisors he has appointed other than Hillary are known for ties to and sympathy for declared terrorist organizations; i.e. Hamas and Hezbollah. Which stands match the Left worldwide.

Again, so very very very well constructed. Some of which I would not have thought of, but are tragically all too true.

December 16th, 2008 at 8:57 PM
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Comment by LC Subotai Bahadur

Annie,

Not as interesting as one would think. My first impulse was to use the DefCon [Defense readiness Condition] spectrum, but figured it would have to be explained in the middle of the paragraph. Incidentally, DefCon 5 is peacetime routine. DefCon 1, the organic waste has hit the rotating airfoil. The ThreatCons I used are an older system parallel to the Homeland Security rainbow. I’m sure that you’ve heard or seen the current Homeland Security threat level. Here is a chart of them: http://www.nationalt.....visory.jpg

The older system is:

ThreatCon White is a non-specific threat of terrorism
ThreatCon Yellow is a specific threat of terrorism
ThreatCon Red is an imminent threat of terrorism

I used it because even at the lowest level, it implies there are possible threats. Which in the case of Mayim, would be an appropriate level of alertness. I don’t expect him [or anybody] to come into the Empire and assume that it is all bunnies and unicorn farts. You don’t enter a battle of wits carrying a half load of ammunition. But you also do not come into the arena assuming that everybody is out to get you, when we are known for more than a certain level of rational discussion and civility if it is reciprocated.

LC Subotai Bahadur

December 16th, 2008 at 9:55 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

My friend, Troy, I have never been banned from any forum; oddly enough. I participated in the early NOW (National Organization for Women) wars and I have posted at the MS forums, and I participated in the early Themestream (a free writer’s forum) but NEVER have I been banned against my will. Never will I choose to be. At times radical feminists have sought to “out” me, to expose my real life information, but they fucked up - they never got it right, and at this point it would be moot. What they DID do was try to expose people who were NOT me - they tried to name an innocent homeschooling family and overstepped their bounds so fucking far that the ENTIRE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN BOARD SHUT DOWN because of it! And me? I laughed. I exposed the main bully of the NOW as a transsexual - someone who bullied her “womanness” over every REAL woman who up and came…but who was born a man/male. It made national news. (Wendy McElroy.) S(he) was the biggest bully in those forums.

I’ve been through the fucking wringer. They tried desperately to target my kids for death…as though they had guns LOL. I called them EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. They exposed the wrong woman in my stead, and I got HSLDA on their asses. It got the entire NOW boards shut down. Many boards have been shut down through such cowardice and falsity. I post here OPENLY with my REAL IP available to the admin. because Misha fucking rocks.

If you want to hear stories just ask. In the meantime, this is the best board in the history of boards.

December 17th, 2008 at 2:13 AM
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Comment by Radical Redneck

Annie, here’s the slam dunk rebuttal to your accelerant question:

Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Palins church burning down was an act of God for all of the lies she spewed while on the campaign trail and for bearing false witness and spreading hate. Prove me wrong rightwingers!

How can your possibly out debate that! :em99:

And Kay has a new post which flawlessly explains the accelerant in the exits:

Sarah Palin’s church fire was caused by an electrical fire!

this fire was caused by the number one cause this time of year in the winter states: electrical fire. So, it appears Sarah Palin owes liberals in this country an apology for blaming us in starting this fire. Spit. The End.

December 17th, 2008 at 8:17 AM
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Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

In the meantime, this is the best board in the history of boards.

Indeed.

December 17th, 2008 at 1:27 PM
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Comment by mayim

LC TerribleTroy, Imperial Centurion sez:

Announcer Voice: The preceeding message was brough to you by DOG…. DOG …. you never can tell what the fuck he’s gonna say next!

o/~ He’s Quagmire, Quagmire: o/~
o/~ You never really know what he’s gonna do next. o/~
o/~ He’s Quagmire, Quagmire: o/~
o/~ Giggity giggity giggity giggity, let’s have sex! o/~

December 17th, 2008 at 2:30 PM
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Comment by Mike M

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech @ #223

And Johnny Horton smiles…. :em69:

December 17th, 2008 at 3:09 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

Ok WOW was I drunk. That’ll teach me to stop drinking for 3 weeks - no tolerance left lol. So color me red. :em38:

Terrible Troy, just use a proxy. You probably should anyway. http://www.anonymouse.org works.

this fire was caused by the number one cause this time of year in the winter states: electrical fire. So, it appears Sarah Palin owes liberals in this country an apology for blaming us in starting this fire. Spit. The End.

I’m sorry, did she miss where the authorities said ARSON? Or the fact that there was ACCELERANT poured all around? Where is she getting electrical fire from?

And why does she spit so fucking much? It’s disgusting.

December 17th, 2008 at 7:33 PM
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Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun

So, it appears Sarah Palin owes liberals in this country an apology for blaming us in starting this fire. Spit. The End.

Annie,

Perhaps someone should tell that harpy that when the liberals apologize to the Palin family for what they put them through with little Trig and Bristol…

Hell will freeze over first.

December 17th, 2008 at 10:50 PM
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Comment by LC AnnieMcPhee

I don’t think it’s appearing there for some reason. I’ve posted it three times. The one about spitting is up, but I don’t see that one. Once it even told me it was a duplicate, and I’d already said that. Maybe she’s banning me, but damn that was quick. I just put it up a minute ago.

December 18th, 2008 at 12:45 AM
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Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

LC Subotai Bahadur @ every freaking post I’ve read!: You are indeed an intellectual marvel. I am proud to stand in the Empire with a mind such as yours. There are many other sharp, bright, well written others here. But somehow you just manage dissection so cleanly and inarguably it’s incredible. Keep it UP, brother LC.

I know this post is dying out (finally after 200+ comments…thanks mayim) , but I’ve been dealing with things and haven’t been involved lately.

This, I have to say. LC Subotai Bahadur, your posts have been some of the most concise and insightful posted here a long time. We have a lot of LC’s that post excellent positions, but yours have that extra oomph that comes through with outstanding clarity.

Incredibly big shoes to fill, but we may have our next Warsprite.

I would vote for the Emperor would let him post his own stories, if Bahadur would be interested. Those days of admin moving, dealing with a new job, etc. and sketchy posts were painful. Another correspondent couldn’t hurt.

December 20th, 2008 at 7:02 PM
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Comment by jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

SoCalOilMan, LC sez:

This, I have to say. LC Subotai Bahadur, your posts have been some of the most concise and insightful posted here a long time. We have a lot of LC’s that post excellent positions, but yours have that extra oomph that comes through with outstanding clarity.

Incredibly big shoes to fill, but we may have our next Warsprite.

I second that.

Subotai, being that you’re fairly new to our little clubhouse let me fill you in on who Warspite was and why he’s so revered around here. He was an elderly gentleman who was wheelchair bound and whose sight was failing….but the insight and wisdom and pure intellect he put in his writing was without comparison. a lot of his posts were pretty long, but never tedious or boring. I learned so much from him, just by reading what he wrote. He was the intellectual and wizened voice here for only a short time, as he passed away in November 2005. I had the honor of compiling his posts into a memorium that is linked to at the top of the page. I got the chance to read EVERYTHING that he posted, and it was a magnificent thing to do…..I have my own personal copy on my computer and reference it a lot….just for inspiration.

You sir definitely match him in intellect and writing, and that’s no small thing to do. Please keep educating us, and take the time to read your predecessor’s writings as well, I know he’d be honored to have you succeed him.

December 20th, 2008 at 7:56 PM
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