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Different Outcomes
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in "Law" of the Land, Gun Fearing Wussies10:59 AM
This is what living in a free country is like:
Police say two suspects are dead after an attempted home invasion.
Catawba County sheriff’s deputies say two men dressed in black and carrying pistols forced their way into a home on 33rd Avenue in Hickory around 11:00 last night. According to a sheriff’s official, the homeowner was armed with his own gun, and shot the suspects. Both suspects were pronounced dead at the scene.
Major Coy Reid with the sheriff’s office said both men were wearing masks and latex gloves.
This is what living under gun control is like:
WEST COVINA, Calif. (AP) - A woman was asking a 911 dispatcher for help when her pleas were interrupted by gunshots, then silence. She was shot to death.
The woman told the dispatcher someone was trying to break into her home in upscale West Covina, Los Angeles County sheriff’s Lt. Dan Rosenberg said. “Deputies heard gunshots followed by silence and an open phone line,” he said.
Deputies arrived at the house, 20 miles east of Los Angeles, a few minutes after Wednesday’s late morning call.
The woman, whose name was not released by police, had been shot several times. Paramedics pronounced her dead at the scene.
Remember: When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
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I’m going to start wearing my pistol in a shoulder-holster when I’m awake around the house at night. Makes me actually think for a moment on how I’d react to someone forcing their way inside. Having been boxing for years, the hands-on doesn’t worry me - but even here in Canadastan, the criminals have guns.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:11 AMUsing
Oh, and….FIRST, BITCHES! :em04:
March 21st, 2008 at 11:12 AMUsing
Such a stark and gruesome difference between a citizen and a mere subject.
The gun control nuts have yet another victim’s blood on their hands.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:15 AMUsing
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March 21st, 2008 at 11:21 AMUsing
Kimber Pro Carry in .45. Don’t stay home without it. :em96:
March 21st, 2008 at 11:35 AMUsing
What are the gun control laws in CA that prevented this woman from having a gun in her home for self-defense? I might be living in CA soon so I’d like to know which liberties I will have to sacrifice.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:15 PMUsing
I’ve been looking at California gun laws and haven’t found anything that prevented this woman from owning a rifle or shotgun. The state records handgun purchases and requires registration of handguns, but I haven’t found anything that would prevent her from keeping a handgun in her house for self-defense…unless she was a felon. “Assult weapons” and .50 caliber rifles are a different matter.
NRAILA has a summary of CA gun laws here: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf
March 21st, 2008 at 12:31 PMUsing
James, the Peoples’ Republic of CA really doesn’t have restrictions on handgun ownership, per se. Getting a carry permit in any of the urban areas is a bitch. The faggy state records ALL firearm purchases. Ten round clips are law. Don’t even think about bringing a CA illegal weapon, or component, in state.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:52 PMUsing
And I hope they fucking choke on it. But did that small point make the news? :em12:
March 21st, 2008 at 1:19 PMUsing
Mark, thanks for the comments. I have a couple magazines that would be illegal. I suppose 10 rounds will have to do instead of 15 (14 usually). I could live with that (unless I need 11 shots).
March 21st, 2008 at 1:20 PMUsing
You’ll love what we’re doing up here our neck of the woods
March 21st, 2008 at 1:34 PMUsing
It’s the mentality, James.
The same mentality all those stupid ‘Home Security Service’ commercials foster.
You know the one’s I’m talking about.
Occupied family house, Goblin smashes window or kicks door in, then immediately turns and RUNS FOR IT at the sound of the alarm going off while the homeowner does…………….WHAT?
RUNS TO THE NEAREST PHONE AND CALLS FOR HELP!
Note that.
That’s not….”RUNS TO THE CLOSET FOR THE SHOTGUN.”
Or……..”MOVES TO THE SAFE ROOM WHERE THE .45 AUTO IS IN A DRAWER.”
Or even….”GRABS UP A KITCHEN KNIFE AND MOVES TO THE POINT OF ENTRY TO CONFRONT THE INVADER.”
Nope.
It’s….”RUNS TO THE NEAREST PHONE TO CALL FOR HELP.”
This tragic event in California happened because this lady believed what she was told. Don”t be one of those ‘violence-loving, gun toting, self-assertive, right-wing kooks that think they can defend themselves’. Take no steps and make no preparations or advance thought to what you would do if someone suddenly tried to break into your home.
Instead, leave that to the professionals. Have your one thought in a crisis like this be….”My God……I HAVE GOT TO GET TO A PHONE AND CALL FOR HELP!!!”
The fact is, a person versed well in self-defense would know that when you hear somebody in the PROCESS of breaking in, you don’t have TIME to spend a minute and a half dialing a phone and talking to a dispatcher. You need to immediately get to where the point of entry is and contest it. Or retreat to a designated safe room where you can lock a door and access a weapon.
Fact is, someone who retreats from the point of entry to a phone to call for help often can’t even tell the dispatcher once they are on the line if the intruder has successfully gained access to the house yet or not. Smart or not, dispatchers will often tell a person who has retreated from the point of entry to ’stay on the line’ and keep talking’.
Dial a phone, if you must, AFTER you have entered a safe room or AFTER the battle at the point of entry is over.
Advance or retreat to safety, it’s a judgment call. It depends on the situation.
Most people don’t have a safe room, have not planned in advance as to what they will do, so when they hear the door being kicked in or the window jiggled they run to the nearest phone in an open living room or a kitchen and are standing there pleading for help when the goblins find them.
This woman may have done it right, except for one thing. She may have heard the break-in happening, retreated to a bedroom, locked the door, got on the phone……….so far, so good…………but then had no weapon in the room to defend herself with when the goblin breached the locked door.
This is how most people are conditioned to think. Retreat and call for help. And the stupid commercials for these home security systems don’t help, where the goblin always tucks tail and runs for it after kicking a door in or smashing a window.
News flash to the morons that make these commercials: a criminal bold enough to kick the door in of a house they know is occupied is not gonna be scared off by an alarm or by seeing someone standing inside.
Criminals who do home invasions know their best friend is the shock and speed of the initial assault. Smash your way in and go straight for whoever you see and KNOCK THEM ON THEIR ASS and get control FAST.
That’s a far cry from the scripts written for these commercials. The one thing these security firms have confidence in is that the criminal will think “OMG - Alarm went off! Cops are on the way! I’m gettin’ outta here!”
I don’t think that’s what they will think.
Probably something more along the lines of “Oh great now I only have 5 minutes to rob everybody. I’d better hurry up.”
Or even “Hey Mr. Homeowner, whom I’m lying on top of in the living room after that NFL worthy-style tackle and who presently has my .45 in his face - turn that fucking noise off, get on the phone and tell them it’s a false alarm or I’ll do little Susie over there.”
Calling for help is a good idea, don’t get me wrong. But only after you’ve ensured you are going to have the safety for long enough to do so.
Think about making a safe room if you haven’t, and make sure you have a weapon in there you can access. Look at the door to that room or the windows and ask yourself - “If I really, really wanted to, how long would it take me to kick that in or smash that in?” If the answer you get is under 2 minutes you need to harden that door or that window. Have a cell phone on your person at all times or in that room in case the landline gets cut.
The best kind of safe room I know of is a double-safe room. That’s a big bedroom with one entrance with a hardened door, plus a bathroom with a hardened door, where the bathroom has a window you can escape from if it comes to that. If the goblin starts making it through the bedroom door, retreat to the bathroom and lock it and then go straight through the window.
Families with children should have a drill they do where they all retreat to the safe room no matter where they are in the house if they hear a signal. If it’s a two story house there should be a ground floor safe room and a top floor safe room.
Sounds paranoid to some of you, all this planning? It strikes a lot of liberals that way, I’m sure.
They haven’t gone beyond the thought “If someone kicks my door in, I’m running to a phone and calling the police.”
Good luck with that. People who plan for their own safety and that of those they love won’t get caught flat-footed holding a phone while goblins advance on them.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:03 PMUsing
While I get what you mean, not everyone can handle a gun. I do think it should be my choice to think it over and not the gov’t choice.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:12 PMUsing
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March 21st, 2008 at 2:15 PMUsing
Two shots center mass,two more head,Goblin Gone,Rinse lather repeat.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:24 PMUsing
From the same site that Misha posted his link from, I thought this was kinda funny.
OK male pattern baldness is NO LAUGHING MATTER but this is taking it to extremes:
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March 21st, 2008 at 2:27 PMUsing
Wow, talk about a goblin who can’t leave well enough alone:
March 21st, 2008 at 2:31 PMUsing
James buy your weapons before you move. buy multiples in same caliber. buy from individuals not stores, so there is no paper trail. cut a block of wood that will fit inside spring in magazine to restrict number of rounds that can be loaded without interfering with function. if you cannot push in #11 it’s legal. have more than one magazine with weapon at all times and practice reloading with empties. think first, if you have a plan and practice the plan you may not be caught flat-footed.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:44 PMUsing
- physically or mentally? The minority of people who cannot physically handle a firearm is very small - my 90 pound 90 year old grandmother had a little .32 revolver, and could use it rather well.
There are people who are mentally unable to handle a firearm, who would rather get robbed, raped or even killed instead of possibly hurting goblins. Those folks should not get a weapon, as it will only add to a bad guy’s arsenal. I do recommend counselling for their phobia. Big dogs are also useful in this case.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:54 PMUsing
See, this is where “compassionate conservatism” gets ya. Dead that’s what. If you really want to change this garbage then vote in a real conservative not a gun grabbing phony.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:08 PMUsing
Entry #12. Spot on. Also insure that you have reception in said safe room for the cell phone. In the commercial manofaiki spoke of, the guy at the top of the stairs should have been using a bit of cover or concealment, and should have been armed. If the goblin was armed, he would have had the choice of engage or retreat to said hardened room. If the lady had been at home alone, peek around the corner, go to safe room, bolt door, grab gun, then phone. Unless she was like my first wife. I came home one night and she hadn’t heard my bike pull up. The dogs weren’t barking, but she heard the front door open. I was smart enough to say “Honey, I’m home” as I reached around the door jamb to turn on the light. She was sitting in the lotus position in the middle of the bed with my 45 in her hands, trained on the door.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:13 PMUsing
Mindy,
That is your choice but your safety is not the job of the police. Sitting here in the living room (in a bad neighborhood) lets review what I have at hand to defend myself. The laptop I’m typing on could be used as a weapon. Close at hand is a Springfield Armory .45. Also close in the room is a metal baseball bat, a 1 1/4 inch dowel 2 feet long, a screw driver, a broom handle, and several attack cats
A short distance away there is another (loaded) .45, .38 sp, .44 mag (X2) and several other firearms that are unloaded. There is also several knives close at hand one of them a survival knife that is very very sharp.
Just a couple weeks ago I pulled up into the driveway about 2100, as I entered the garage carrying my bag a car pulled up at the end of my driveway and four guys started to jump out. I dashed inside and grabbed my .45 and headed back out. We have a Castle Doctrine law here and I’m not one to wait for Johnny Law to show up. They scrambled into the car and drove off. Time to get my CCW.
Emperor,
We go shooting with my brother in law in San Diego. Only the heavy urban moonbat breeding areas are so antigun. When I lived in Northern Ca everyone I knew had guns. Of course I’m not one to hang out with GFW’s anyway. :-p
March 21st, 2008 at 3:38 PMUsing
Let’s see…
AK-47, loaded, plus extra ammo… Check.
M-91 rifle, loaded, plus extra ammo… Check.
A little “girly” .38 (loaded) plus extra ammo… Check.
Yoo-hoo! Hey goblins! Feelin’ suicidal today? :em96:
March 21st, 2008 at 3:52 PMUsing
N@,
You don’t keep your .50 DE handy? Over penetration a worry perhaps?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:07 PMUsing
LOL, Natasha, that’s kinda what I always say:
“Breaking into the Imperial Palace is not so much proof of criminal intent as it is of suicidal ideation.”
You GO, girl!
Also, I feel that I owe it to clarify that I wasn’t saying that the victim in the second story was unarmed because of gun control. I don’t know and, as some have pointed out, she probably was unarmed due to choice.
That doesn’t change the point of the post, however, because under strict gun control, we’d all be in her situation, whether we wanted to or not. Well, at least if we intended to follow the law, which I wouldn’t. We wouldn’t even have the choice if we wanted to avoid breaking the law.
Those who are defenseless out of choice are no better off than those who are defenseless because of a diktat.
Finally, Mindy, being the son and heir of a wonderful woman who, until recently, was the worst gun fearing wussy I’ve ever known (with ample justification, I hasten to add, but we shan’t go into details about that), I can honestly say that I understand what you mean.
But you’re wrong about the “can” bit. Some people won’t handle a gun for reasons entirely their own that I shall not appoint myself the judge over, but there is no person that I have ever met that couldn’t, if introduced to the concept and trained in an even halfway professional manner.
Take my mother, for example, whom I just mentioned. If you wanted a poster girl for the “eeek, it’s a GUN!” followed by rapid retreat and refusal to touch crowd, she’d be it. Until I tricked her into going to the range with me and snuck, first a .22 and then a 9 into her hands. Within an hour, she was not merely over her phobia, she was thrilled to the point of “when can we go again?” and haughtily dismissing the “silly .22″ over the “much nicer 9.” She was also hitting quite adequately for self-defense purposes at that point, I might add.
In one hour.
So yes, you can. Anybody can. Anybody.
Whether you want to or not is entirely up to you and I respect either decision even though I may not understand it, it’s a personal one, but I guarantee you that my humble self or any other of the gun nuts around here could teach you in a hurry, to the point where you’d be wondering why you ever thought that you might not be able to.
And we’d love to do so as well, quite free of charge
Every time another responsible citizen becomes a gun owner, the homes and streets of our nation become that much safer, which benefits us all.
March 21st, 2008 at 4:10 PMUsing
And don’t forget the Emperors Empire extends here to Phoenix. I’ll say also I would be willing to teach anyone who wants to learn and I’ll pop for the range time. I taught my 11 year old neice to use my 9 in about the same time (1 hour) she was hiting center mass most shots. And I’ll say I have never seen a smile on her face that big :-p :em93:
March 21st, 2008 at 4:37 PMUsing
S.O.P. here at Camp FORGER is to make a fighting advance into the ambush, resolve the situation, THEN call 911 so they can draw the chalk lines and police up the zombie corpses.
Good on Momma Misha and her Imperial Baby Boy.
And The Imperial Firearms Institute has a branch office in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. We have a variety of playthings available in .177 BB/pellet, .22 LR, 7.69X32 SKS, .308WIN, 12 gauge Auto 5 and .45 ACP P90 for you edification and enjoyment.
We are also a B.Y.O.B. (Bring Your Own Blaster) establishment with access to a free range provided by the Missouri Dept. of Conservation with everything from archery, clays, pistol and 275 yard rifle ranges.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:39 PMUsing
My loaded .45, three feet away, is seconds away…….think there might be a lesson here?
March 21st, 2008 at 7:57 PMUsing
SLib, this is at least the second time you’ve equated conservatives with gun-grabbing. MOST of the conservatives I know are staunch supporters of the 2nd amendment; most of the libs I know are GFWs. My parents live in southern Illinois, and most of their politicians on both sides of the aisle are gun-totin’, card-carrying members of the NRA.
In fact, my dad went to Springfield (the capital of Illinois for those of you in Rio Linda, California) recently, where some 2500 people of all sorts, sizes, shapes, ages, and political leanings rallied in support of the 2nd amendment.
The Chicago “machine” and the governor are very close to being defeated over this particular issue.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:21 PMUsing
MoMinuteMan,
You’re in Cape? Wish I’d known. I was in so. Ill last week visiting my ‘rents…I might have persuaded them to take a little jaunt. You’re not far…they’re in Marion. They are proud gun owners and have even taking the certified NRA shootin’ classes.
Maybe next time I’m out their way, we’ll come visit…providing all the water is gone. :em93:
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March 21st, 2008 at 10:04 PMUsing
hilljohnny, thanks for the tip. I didn’t realize I could simply modify the mags to only hold 10 rounds. That doesn’t sound legal, however, but I’ll look into that.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:15 PMUsing
I’ve got a Bersa sitting in front of me in a desk drawer.
I have a .357 (loaded with .38’s) in my sock drawer upstairs, and a .38 snubby in the bathroom downstairs.
March 21st, 2008 at 11:28 PMUsing
My magazine-loaded (heinous ChiCom replica*) 1897 trench broom is three feet away.
(*It was a present. What else can I say?)
March 21st, 2008 at 11:52 PMUsing
1911 here at my desk.
Glock 21 next to my bed.
Remington 870 in the hall closet.
I think I’m covered. I hope I never need any of them, but as the saying goes, it’s better to have and not need than need and not have.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 AMUsing
Ahh Hickory just down the road. Well that is how we do it here in old NC. Bring on the goblins! :em96:
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:57 AMUsing
I hope the Supreme Court takes this into account when deciding Heller.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 AMUsing
James
It’s still legal to own weapons in Kalifornia, but the advice above about planning ahead and getting as much of your arsenal together before coming here is sound.
Most of mine was gathered before the laws about registration went into effect, however my two primary home defense pieces were purchased just a few years ago, so if L.A. decides to pull a New Orleans for some reason they know about my XP-40 and my 12 gauge.
If they come for those, they’ll, no doubt, find the others.
As far as thinking about a conceal carry permit, unless you know the local Sheriff real, real well, or contribute very heavily to a politician that is a good friend of the Sheriff…it ain’t gonna happen.
If you need 11, you may have walked into a situation you should have avoided :em93: , or you’ll have to get use to carrying with one in the pipe.
Glad to hear we’re getting another Rottie out here. We can use all we can get.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:30 AMUsing
Right now, it is being customized. I got some more weapons hanging around, but it’s the three “work-horses” that are always ready.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:35 AMUsing
Required reading:
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Just keep one thing in mind. (As I told someone years ago.) “An unloaded firearm is nothing but an expensive and fragile club.”
I won’t get into a list here, but, if you are ever in my house, just assume that if it’s not in a safe, it’s loaded…
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 PMUsing
Sir Guido,
A friend noticed my extra mags on my belt a few days ago while I was clocking in at the bus garage. Asked if they were what he thought they were, I answered in the affirmative, except they were .45ACP, not pansy 9MM, and told him I’d show him the best part after morning routes….
After we dropped all the visigoths off at school, we met up in the parking lot and I called him over to my truck and pulled my Ruger P90 outta the glove box…
I started to clear it to show it to him and he asks, “You keep it loaded??” I respond with, “Tom, there’s a word for an unloaded weapon… It’s called a club.”
Tom’s a retired cop…
Make of that what you will.
Skye, just drop me a note, and I’d be happy to go out blastin’ with you and your folks…
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:09 PMUsing
James @32 during the “magazine ban” handguns that would normally hold more than 10 rounds had a plug attached to the follower (the plate on top of the magazine spring) to reduce the capacity from 13-15 rounds to 10 rounds. it was no problem to remove the base plate, take out the spring and follower like you would to clean it and remove the plug or replace the follower. this restored the magazine to normal capacity. i do not believe attaching your own plug to the follower would be illegal but i am not a gfw or a lawyer.
here’s an article from confederate yankee.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 PMUsing
My Glock 21C is in a safe (and I’ve practiced punching the code and opening it in the dark, down to <10 seconds), loaded with .45 ACP Hydro-Shok Federal Premium. Nothing but the best for the discriminating goblin. (My bullets are ribbed for his organs’ pleasure.) Niece and nephew not only know to stay away from my safe, but do not know the code. Mom and Cousin, however, do. Also, like the lower penetration, as I live next to a wonderful woman with three children, one only a few months old. Next buy is a shotgun, not sure now what make.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:56 AMUsing